Israel - Iran and regional players | Please post respectfully and stay on topic
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I can't find anything funny in all this. I especially can't find anything funny in those who still to this day are claiming Israel are defending themselves, not killing indiscriminately and they have the right to do this or are in some way victims. Especially when all the evidence undeniably shows they are the aggressors and how many times they have been caught out with lies.
It's fecking disgusting.
It's fecking disgusting.
Yep, it's just a grim propaganda cycle.
They're not even trying to hide it anymore
Iraq has just announced lifting the Visa requirement on Lebanese nationals to stay temporarily until the war cool off.
This is the reason of current situation. Hezbollah thought the war of attrition will go on literally forever and people in Israel will get used to daily barrage of missiles and mounting bills for Iron Dome (or other missile defense systems). That assumption is now over.
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This is the reason of current situation. Hezbollah thought the war of attrition will go on literally forever and people in Israel will get used to daily barrage of missiles and mounting bills for Iron Dome (or other missile defense systems). That assumption is now over.
Source.
Now show us how much Israel was bombing.
Wait. I already tagged you, but you disappeared, as usual.
here, hope this help too.
This is the reason of current situation. Hezbollah thought the war of attrition will go on literally forever and people in Israel will get used to daily barrage of missiles and mounting bills for Iron Dome (or other missile defense systems). That assumption is now over.
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Nice source that fails to show how many attacks were retaliating and how many Israel caused in those regions.
One sided propaganda bullshit as always. Yet you are the first to claim one sided bias in these forums. It's beyond pathetic, so transparent and insulting to everyone.
I need more information to understand the "current situation". What's the exchange rate on a single Israeli defense system armament and a Lebanese civilian?This is the reason of current situation. Hezbollah thought the war of attrition will go on literally forever and people in Israel will get used to daily barrage of missiles and mounting bills for Iron Dome (or other missile defense systems). That assumption is now over.
Source.
Obviously I'm not going to ask for the rate for a Lebanese civilian killed during the indiscriminate attack where kids were killed by exploding Israeli pagers, because that might take too long to work out.
Interesting if true
Israel's lack of mobile anti-air on a tactical flexible level is going to cost them big time.
Worrying. It'll just exacerbate things further and more innocents from both sides are going to suffer whilst their respective militaries just say "feck it, fire".
It’s unlikely but the average Israeli citizen maybe realising the IDF can’t go around mass murdering the populations of Gaza and Lebanon without facing push back will give some pause for thought.
Sadly the reality is the US will just send another check.
Gallant refers to resolution 1701 in response to Guterres.
It's happening again isn't it? This time they're attacking a sovereign country. They can do whatever the feck they want.
I wonder if the target they were after was in USA... would they still attack? Probably not. So obvious that middle-eastern blood isn't worth much to these scum.
Well if this happens then the escalation would be insane by the USA.
Historically any threat to the navy is met with considerable overreaction
Unless Israel destroys a Navy ship, like in 1967... Hehehe
Would be less surprising if they let those through on purpose, thereby 'justifying' the slaughter of another batch of 500 Lebanese civilians.
Actually who am I kidding. They're gonna do it regardless
They don't needed justification. They can just lie, then the US will say their lies are true and the cycle goes on
Facts for you are one sided propaganda. Ok.
You are not teacher giving me assignments. Why you never provided information how many missiles Hezzbolah launched at Israel? Maybe you can also provide information what is Acled methodology and what is meant under "attack". And what and how BBC verified. And why was verification necessary. Please keep this civil, I am not obliged to reply you in minutes.
I have something else to work out for you.
The pagers will go down in history as one of the most (if not THE most) precise and proportionate anti-terrorist operation of this scale.
The rate of civilians killed by Hezbollah in Majdal Shams... I will do the math for you...is 100%. You can continue and compare the rates. It might be very quick to work out.
Bold words when you have former CIA directors calling it terrorism and various UN officials questioning the legality of the operation. And if it was as precise and proportionate then there wouldn't be so many injured children because of it.
It will go down as a one-shot dubious PR stunt with a very questionable efficacity, one of the greatest indiscriminate terrorist attacks ever carried out by a country, and a war crime.
Majdal Shams is part of the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights, you should do well to remember that. The tragedy was caused by either a stray Hezbollah rocket aimed at a nearby Israeli military base or an errant Iron Dome missile sent to intercept it. The town never was the intended target.
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A terrorist is whatever Israel says it is. Once you've developed your jackboot fetish sufficiently you'll begin to understand.
Unless the children were among the targets, not individually, but as part of the families that Israel consider to be legitimate (and strategic) targets, which we shouldn't exclude. The regime in Israel has been known to use attacks on civilian infrastructure and on civilian population in order to put maximum pressure on their enemies.
https://richardfalk.org/2011/01/07/...ll-protests-along-the-road-of-state-terrorism/
When you're estimated to have killed 150k-200k in a year, you lose any delusional right to self-defence.
It is actually a precise operation because children were killed and injured. Because that is exactly what the bloodthirsty israeli terrorists want to do, and exactly what their terrorist sympathizers justify, applaud and celebrate.
If you want to use argument from authority at least wrote what Panetta said.
Is expert from West Point good enough for you? Or only if he says what you agree with?
Is Ove Bring good enough authority for you?
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You wrote "so many". How many is that? What is the rate? Do you have independently verified data?
What Hamas and other perpetrators did on October 7 was the greatest indiscriminate terrorist attack. It is funny how all of you now take Panetta's opinion as gospel. Let's wait and see if you do the same if Petraeus says something, or other former CIA director or whatever representative from the west, which you hate so much.
You should remember that victims from Majdal Shams couldn't care less that the land is occupied by Israel (or for a matter that it was not the intended target, that is the whole point of Hezbollah indiscriminate "targeting"). But nice try to divert the point.
Her bio: "Jew living in the Jewish homeland. Any Arab who doesn't renounce the "right of return" cannot be allowed to remain in any territory we control."
There is no bargaining with Zionism.
Unfortunately that means it will win and cleanse its enemies, because it is superior and backed by the superpower.
No problem, he said exactly this;
“I don’t think there’s any question that it’s a form of terrorism,” Panetta said on “CBS News Sunday morning.”
“This is going right into the supply chain,” he added. “And when you have terror going into the supply chain, it makes people ask the question: ‘What the hell is next?’”
I'd ask you the same question. Do you think that a guy who runs a podcast at West Point, far from an expert of whatever you think he's an expert on, should have a say more than a former CIA Director simply because the CIA guy says something that YOU don't agree with.
As for Ove Bring, well. Talk about digging deep for someone who agrees with you. Except he doesn't agree with you. He outright states that until more information on civilian casualties is available (since the events had just happened when he was talking about it) he can't say anything other than "based on the info we have it's not against international law."
I'm sure you'll be able to give me the exact data since you've told me with such conviction this will go down as the most precise and proportionate anti-terrorist operation ever. For now we know that at least two kids have been killed, which already seems like enough for any decent human being.