ISIS in Iraq and Syria

lol FSA, did they fall out with their ISIS mates?
They want to be a part of the party when ISIS get their ass whooped in the coming days/weeks. They're not even the good guy FSA, those guys are already in the city.

Looking forward to the coming days and weeks. :drool: The battle won't stop at Kobane, they're going to get routed from every surrounding village and town.
 
Isis kills hundreds of Iraqi Sunnis from Albu Nimr tribe in Anbar province
Tribal militia had played prominent role in fighting al-Qaida and offshoots since 2007
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Iraqi security forces guard a checkpoint in Ramadi, Anbar province. Photograph: Reuters
The bodies of more than 150 men killed by Islamic state (Isis) militants were recovered from a ditch in the city of Ramadi, west of Baghdad, on Thursday in the latest of a series of mass executions of tribal figures who oppose the group.

Iraqi officials said the men had been captured in the town of Heet, west of Ramadi, over the last week. All were members of the Sunni Albu Nimr tribe, which had faced off against Isis and had played a prominent role in fighting al-Qaida and its offshoots in Anbar province since 2007.

At least 60 more tribal members were killed in Heet earlier this week, in an execution videotaped and uploaded to the internet by the executioners.

Mass killings have become synonymous with the jihadists’ rampage through western Iraq and eastern Syria, in which large numbers of captured soldiers and civilians on both sides of the border have been murdered and their bodies gruesomely displayed.

Human Rights Watch reported that up to 600 prisoners, all Shia, were executed when the group overran Iraq’s second city, Mosul, in June. The Shias were separated from Sunni prisoners and a small number of Christians, all of whom were spared. The NGO said it had spoken to 15 Shia prisoners who survived the massacre and said that those killed had been forced to kneel next to a ravine before being shot.

Since then up to 800 captured Syrian troops have been murdered after their bases were overrun in eastern Syria. And at least 1,000 Iraqi troops – all Shia – remain missing after they were captured in Tikrit.

Interior ministry intelligence chief General Ali al-Saede said Isis felt gravely threatened by a tribal revolt, which is seen as perhaps the only way to force it from large parts of the country it has conquered.

“They are trying to consolidate in the desert areas and in Falluja and Ramadi,” he said in an interview. “They know that the tribes are allying with us and that will be their downfall.”

Iraqi officials are trying to raise a national guard that would be led by Sunni tribal leaders and partnered with the beleaguered national army. However, tribal leaders say they have yet to be formally approached about the idea and that their fight against Isis is largely piecemeal. “Nobody has talked to me about a new awakening, of forming a national guard,” said Sheikh Ahmed Abu Risha, the leader of a tribal revolt in Anbar in 2007 that forced an earlier incarnation of Isis to leave the province.

“If they did, they would know that we need a lot more than we have now to fight them properly.”

More than four months into the insurgency that has seen large parts of Iraq fall out of government hands, much of Anbar remains dominated by Isis. Falluja and Ramadi, the two largest cities in the province, are mostly in insurgent hands, as are towns and villages in the desert that sprawls to the Syrian border.

Heet was one of the last towns to fall to the group. A large Iraqi military base near the town was abandoned as the jihadists advanced, yielding a haul of US-supplied advanced weapons, such as seven M-1 Abrams tanks, which have now become targets of US air force jets.

Meanwhile, in north-eastern Syria around 100 Kurdish peshmerga have assembled near Kobani, on the border with Turkey, to reinforce Kurdish fighters who have been battling Isis for more than a month. Kobani, which is known as Ain al-Arab in Arabic, has been a key battleground in Syria’s civil war.

US-led air strikes have regularly beaten back Isis, but it still controls at least half the town – the third largest urban centre for Syrian Kurds. The fall of Kobani would be a huge boost for Isis and a serious blow for the Kurds, the US and its allies, who have focused much of their air campaign on saving it.
 
@holyland red

West making big mistake in fighting ISIS, says senior Israeli officer

IDF Northern Command officer says he thinks the U.S.-led coalition intervened too early against the Sunni militants, and 'not necessarily in the right direction.'

A senior Northern Command officer said Thursday that the Western coalition is making a big mistake in fighting against ISIS.

The coalition forces' attacks against the Islamic State support the "radical Shi'ite axis," the unnamed officer said. "A strange situation has been created in which the United States, Canada and France are on the same side as Hezbollah, Iran and Assad. That doesn't make sense," he said.

It was easier to deal with terrorism in its early stages [ISIS] than to face an Iranian threat and the Hezbollah, he said. "I believe the West intervened too early and not necessarily in the right direction," he said.

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.623717

(Brace yourselves everybody, Holyland red is coming)
 
Keep entertaining yourselves, lads.

My interpretation of these latest quotes is that a nuclear Iran is a much bigger threat to the West than Toyota-riding savages. Not an extremely original argument.

I have to admit that it's pointless to bring up this debate. Aerial images of nuclear installations are never going draw the same emotional response as videos of chopped heads.
 
Keep entertaining yourselves, lads.

My interpretation of these latest quotes is that a nuclear Iran is a much bigger threat to the West than Toyota-riding savages. Not an extremely original argument.

I have to admit that it's pointless to bring up this debate. Aerial images of nuclear installations are never going draw the same emotional response as videos of chopped heads.
1- That's a lazy interpretation, because I don't know how letting ISIS grow in the region will stop Iran from "making a nuclear bomb". :confused:

2- Wasn't this what we've been telling you for a long time, and you always denied it (sometimes even sarcastically)?

According to VidaRed Israel is also on the ISIS side.
Well, guess what, it turned out he was right.
 
1- That's a lazy interpretation, because I don't know how letting ISIS grow in the region will stop Iran from "making a nuclear bomb". :confused:

2- Wasn't this what we've been telling you for a long time, and you always denied it (sometimes even sarcastically)?


Well, guess what, it turned out he was right.

No, it turns out that you are trying to win an internet battle. ISIS are despicable savages, and eradicating them would be nice. However, collaborating with Iran on that one, at the expense of stopping their nuclear program is mental.
 
Iran are seen as a bigger threat by Israel, the US and the Gulf Arab states. It explains why the latter two were happy to arm and empower Islamic extremists to fight Iran's ally - the Syrian regime.

Iran's nuclear program isn't a threat to the world, just to the regional hegemony enjoyed by the US, Israel and their Gulf Arab allies, so its understandable why that Israeli official would make that comment. ISIS's murderous campaign however is a tangible threat.
 
Again Kaos, leaving aside internet mud throwing, Western states have made it clear that a nuclear Iranian theocracy is a threat to their interest. Picking sides in Sunni-Shiia counter mass murders is fine as long as one does not shoot his own feet on a much bigger issue.
 
Of course its a threat to their interests. Autonomy, nationalisation and the shift of power in the region will always be a bigger nightmare than Muslims killing Muslims. Its just not this macabre, existential threat that some folks are making it out to be.
 
Western in what sense? The US and her allies? Yeah it'd be counterproductive to the hawks that draft their foreign policy, but pretty much harmless to the average Joe in Minnesota. Whereas ironically working alongside Iran to quell the ISIS threat will probably make the world a safer place for the average Westerner.
 
Iran are seen as a bigger threat by Israel, the US and the Gulf Arab states. It explains why the latter two were happy to arm and empower Islamic extremists to fight Iran's ally - the Syrian regime.

Iran's nuclear program isn't a threat to the world, just to the regional hegemony enjoyed by the US, Israel and their Gulf Arab allies, so its understandable why that Israeli official would make that comment. ISIS's murderous campaign however is a tangible threat.

So, Iran gets nukes, leading the gulf states to pursue nukes, leading Israel to build more nukes. No danger there, eh? And when one of those states fails? And of course we can trust Iran and the Revolutionary guard not to supply Hamas, Hezbollah, and their death squads in Iraq with anything but the finest conventional weapons. Once any of those nations gets nukes, it won't be long until we have another AQ Khan selling nuclear plans and materials to whoever wants them.
 
So, Iran gets nukes, leading the gulf states to pursue nukes, leading Israel to build more nukes. No danger there, eh? And when one of those states fails? And of course we can trust Iran and the Revolutionary guard not to supply Hamas, Hezbollah, and their death squads in Iraq with anything but the finest conventional weapons. Once any of those nations gets nukes, it won't be long until we have another AQ Khan selling nuclear plans and materials to whoever wants them.

Gulf Arab states don't have the scientists or brainpower to pursue a nuclear program. The most likely way they'll get one is if you gift it to them.

Iran also isn't stupid or suicidal, it knows full well that to fire off a nuke would be to be sign their death sentence. Hamas and Hezbollah are not going to be to store a nuke without Israeli intelligence catching in on it and sabotaging the logistics. AQ are enemies with Iran.
 
Gulf Arab states don't have the scientists or brainpower to pursue a nuclear program. The most likely way they'll get one is if you gift it to them.

Iran also isn't stupid or suicidal, it knows full well that to fire off a nuke would be to be sign their death sentence. Hamas and Hezbollah are not going to be to store a nuke without Israeli intelligence catching in on it and sabotaging the logistics. AQ are enemies with Iran.

They have plenty of money to hire some unscrupulous scientists to start or augment nuclear programs. If Pakistan and North Korea of all places can build nuclear weapons, there's a way for the Saudis, Jordanians, and whoever else to do it.

AQ Khan, Abdul Qadeer Khan, is the man who gave/traded nuclear plans and technology to North Korea, Iran, and Libya. He and Benazir Bhutto are why those countries were able to advance their nuclear programs substantially.
 
Iranian missiles raining on civilian population here, Iranian-sponsored terrorist attacks in Europe and South America should.be a clear enough warning sign. But hey, it's the internet here.
 
Western in what sense? The US and her allies? Yeah it'd be counterproductive to the hawks that draft their foreign policy, but pretty much harmless to the average Joe in Minnesota. Whereas ironically working alongside Iran to quell the ISIS threat will probably make the world a safer place for the average Westerner.

Like it or not, Kaos, the West is the US in terms of foreign policy and ME interests.
 
They have plenty of money to hire some unscrupulous scientists to start or augment nuclear programs. If Pakistan and North Korea of all places can build nuclear weapons, there's a way for the Saudis, Jordanians, and whoever else to do it.

AQ Khan, Abdul Qadeer Khan, is the man who gave/traded nuclear plans and technology to North Korea, Iran, and Libya. He and Benazir Bhutto are why those countries were able to advance their nuclear programs substantially.

Again, the difference is Pakistan and North Korea had the scientists to pursue a nuclear program. Gulf Arab States can hardly build their own civil structures without outsourcing, so its hardly feasible they'll have a nuclear program running anytime soon. Where would they hire the scientists from? Nuclear plans and technology is all good and dandy but they're pretty useless if you don't have the personnel to bring them to fruition. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS have such blueprints, but obviously they're not going to come anywhere near building a warhead.
 
Again, the difference is Pakistan and North Korea had the scientists to pursue a nuclear program. Gulf Arab States can hardly build their own civil structures without outsourcing, so its hardly feasible they'll have a nuclear program running anytime soon. Where would they hire the scientists from? Nuclear plans and technology is all good and dandy but they're pretty useless if you don't have the personnel to bring them to fruition. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS have such blueprints, but obviously they're not going to come anywhere near building a warhead.

Russia, the former Soviet Union (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan), Pakistan, Egypt, and anywhere else that's economically troubled but has/had nuclear power or weapons programs. Or, as Pakistan and India did, send them to the West to school. It might be slow, but it would work. The Saudis have the money to get a nuclear program even if it takes some time to do. There's no worry of ISIS or AQ building a nuke, but it's not impossible that they could get their hands on something if proliferation happens in the Middle East given the fragility of all governments in the region.
 
They're moving!!!! SCENES BIJI KOBANE
 
No time for tea, they're already preparing the heavy weaponry. :drool:

ISIS are getting pumped with air strikes, countless number in the past 20 minutes.
 
I do see Israel way to see this conflict, IS terrorist fighting their enemy, in another words longer the conflict weaker they will get. Now Iran's hate for Israel will bite them for as long it takes, Israel is a country and until they learn/accept them like Egypt did they would be too weak to become a regional superpower.
 
I've met and worked with kurds. If any of them were in a fight I'd always back them to win, they're flipping crazy. I was walking with one and he was squaring off to a car, he was fecking gonna get us both killed but he didn't give a shit.