No chance mate. These bastards have no mercy.
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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No chance mate. These bastards have no mercy.
Al Jazeera is a mouthpiece for the Qatari government, a country that's spent $3billion funding Syrian rebels.
ISIS killing anyone who refuses to pick up arms against YPG. Directly contradicts the propaganda machine that is Al-Jazeera.
Ive been watching a lot of brutal stuff associated with ISIS on bestgore over the past few weeks. Beheadings, mass executions etc.
I have watched the alleged beheadings of the 2 americans and the recent British man and they seem odd. The majority of users on said website are convinced that these recent beheadings are staged by jews to force the west to attack the Islamic state. A lot of them genuinely believe they are edited/photoshopped/staged in a studio somewhere. I'm not dismissing this theory as I'm open to a lot of conspiracies but this would be very difficult to pull off. Fooling the USA and the UK would be a masterstroke tbh.
There are certain things in the videos that do put a slight doubt in my mind though.
There is no footage of the actual beheadings, its just the hostage and captor talking and then a picture of a head ontop of a body.
The hostage talks well and seems strangely very calm considering he is seconds away from having his head cut off with a hand knife. Surely one in their position would be screaming/swearing/resisting. Or maybe they were told they weren't actually being killed.
I'm just not sure.
I have watched the alleged beheadings of the 2 americans and the recent British man and they seem odd. The majority of users on said website are convinced that these recent beheadings are staged by jews to force the west to attack the Islamic state. A lot of them genuinely believe they are edited/photoshopped/staged in a studio somewhere. I'm not dismissing this theory as I'm open to a lot of conspiracies but this would be very difficult to pull off. Fooling the USA and the UK would be a masterstroke tbh.
There are certain things in the videos that do put a slight doubt in my mind though.
There is no footage of the actual beheadings, its just the hostage and captor talking and then a picture of a head ontop of a body.
The hostage talks well and seems strangely very calm considering he is seconds away from having his head cut off with a hand knife. Surely one in their position would be screaming/swearing/resisting. Or maybe they were told they weren't actually being killed.
I'm just not sure.
The Jews have controlled Hollywood for ages though. If anyone was ever going to pull off such a plot it would be them.
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ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports
Posted: 09/12/2014 9:49 pm EDT Updated: 09/14/2014 2:59 pm ED
As the United States begins to deepen ties with moderate Syrian rebels to combat the extremist group ISIS, also known as the Islamic State, a key component of its coalition appears to have struck a non-aggression pact with the group.
According to Agence France-Presse, ISIS and a number of moderate and hard-line rebel groups have agreed not to fight each other so that they can focus on taking down the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Other sources say the signatories include a major U.S. ally linked to the Free Syrian Army. Moreover, the leader of the Free Syrian Army said Saturday that the group would not take part in U.S. plans for destroying the Islamic State until it got assurances on toppling Assad.
The deal between ISIS and the moderate Syrian groups casts doubt over President Barack Obama's freshly announced strategy to arm and train the groups against ISIS.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/isis-deal-syria_n_5814128.html
Posted: 09/12/2014 9:49 pm EDT Updated: 09/14/2014 2:59 pm ED
As the United States begins to deepen ties with moderate Syrian rebels to combat the extremist group ISIS, also known as the Islamic State, a key component of its coalition appears to have struck a non-aggression pact with the group.
According to Agence France-Presse, ISIS and a number of moderate and hard-line rebel groups have agreed not to fight each other so that they can focus on taking down the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Other sources say the signatories include a major U.S. ally linked to the Free Syrian Army. Moreover, the leader of the Free Syrian Army said Saturday that the group would not take part in U.S. plans for destroying the Islamic State until it got assurances on toppling Assad.
The deal between ISIS and the moderate Syrian groups casts doubt over President Barack Obama's freshly announced strategy to arm and train the groups against ISIS.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/isis-deal-syria_n_5814128.html
So how come there was a YPG-FSA attack on the area of Tel Hamis this morning?
Should've armed the YPG, eh Obama?
Should've armed the YPG, eh Obama?
14 villages liberated around Tel Hamis since operations began 2 days ago.
The fact that the beheading is not shown in the video is what I was getting at with my earlier post. I've not watched the videos but the way people describe the videos made me think that perhaps the act wasn't shown.
The thing that puzzled me was why you would condemn your country whilst knowing that you were about to die a horrible death. I believe that the victims would only do this in return for a more humane death. The beheading then taking place after they have been killed.
I feel awful for speculating about this but do think that would make some sense and hopefully they didn't die in pain.
They're scripted lines. It's not something they just decide to say, it's forced onto them. Say these words or we'll take you back, torture you some more. Repeat until you've had enough and you give in.
They are obviously scripted but why is that a more likely scenario than that they say it in return for a less painful death?
These people are extremists and have been brainwashed but there is no way they can all be blood thirsty psychopaths. I'm not sure there is any reason that the hostages would be tortured either.
These hostages are being used to achieve a political goal, there is nothing to be gained from carrying out such a horrible act as beheading someone to death and then editing it out of the video.
If i was a foreign aid worker id either come home or start carrying a pistol on my belt at all times, no way be captured by those bastards.
They should all go home, since if caught, carrying a pistol would be tantamount to suicide anyway.
What I'm curious is how they've gotten a hold of these aid workers. It seems they always have a steady supply of them on demand for their morbid videos. Now I'm assuming most of them are kidnapped, but again its not like these aid workers are hanging around ISIS hotspots, most of them confine themselves to refugee camps and in areas fortified by armed personnel. Of course we also hear that a lot of them are sold by the Syrian Rebels, in which case do they just imprison them against their will and ship them off to ISIS?
Either way its a pretty precarious time to be a western aid worker in the region.
Either way its a pretty precarious time to be a western aid worker in the region.
I have a lot of sympathy for them and their family and friends. But honestly I feel it's time to stop this nonsense of sending/allowing reporters and aid workers into areas like this. It's really making matters far worse. Once captured the hostage takers can and do make millions on them or alas make videos that can sway the public opinion into all out war . I hope that doesn't come over as cold because I'm sure the aid workers especially were amazing humans with nothing but kindness in their hearts.
The videos are propaganda at its finest, and they have worked a treat.
Its clear that not many people were outraged enough at the gruesome beheadings and crucifixions that were being carried out on the ordinary Syrian population. Now they have killed one of "our own" I am in favour of an all out nuclear attack.
I find the "jews did it" hilarious. They didn't. Although if Israel do see ISIS as a threat, I am pretty sure we would see an effective response, unlike the clueless coalition.
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Regarding your remark about the hostages being calm, I read today a report in which a former hostage from France mentions that the hostages undergo so many mock executions that they have no idea that they are about to die. Cruel in the extreme.
So apparently Al Qaeda have appealed to ISIS to release the British aid worker they're holding hostage...
http://www.news.com.au/world/alqaed...age-alan-henning/story-fndir2ev-1227059826416
A bit like when the Nazis told the Japanese to tone it down a bit in Manchuria
http://www.news.com.au/world/alqaed...age-alan-henning/story-fndir2ev-1227059826416
A bit like when the Nazis told the Japanese to tone it down a bit in Manchuria
Clashes in Kobane have started again, ISIS have sent heavy weapons to the area to try and take the city. It's been the heaviest fighting in the area since the start of the war, even after the siege a few months ago.
Video uploaded today that shows just how much of a difference there is between the weaponry used. Kurdish AKs and one guy with an RPG, vs an ISIS tank.
Obama could help
Video uploaded today that shows just how much of a difference there is between the weaponry used. Kurdish AKs and one guy with an RPG, vs an ISIS tank.
Obama could help
Prime Minister Abadi says no to foreign ground troops, good call.
Updated for 15/9
Funny how the whole thing was started by the US once more, they sure love killing innocent civilians, directly or indirectly
First they give weapons to the rebels to topple Assad, and now they are on "assads" side in a way..........
If they really care so much about the rebels, why dont they go help the Ukraine rebels, but obviously the US knows its easier to use the scaremongering of "Islamic extremists" who want to take over the world which will never happen, just gives a great excuse to keep public happy into why they are still in the middle east, and arms and weapons manufacturers are making billions from this never ending cycle of war in the ME, all self perpetuated by the US
When the only people actually dying are civilians in the ME, for example, since the US invasion , 1.6 million civilians have died in Iraq alone, that is an astronomical number of innocent people, but no one even cares
First they give weapons to the rebels to topple Assad, and now they are on "assads" side in a way..........
If they really care so much about the rebels, why dont they go help the Ukraine rebels, but obviously the US knows its easier to use the scaremongering of "Islamic extremists" who want to take over the world which will never happen, just gives a great excuse to keep public happy into why they are still in the middle east, and arms and weapons manufacturers are making billions from this never ending cycle of war in the ME, all self perpetuated by the US
When the only people actually dying are civilians in the ME, for example, since the US invasion , 1.6 million civilians have died in Iraq alone, that is an astronomical number of innocent people, but no one even cares
Journalists and local sources say that goods and weapons are being unloaded from the Turkish side of the border into Syria to help with the offensive on Kobane.
Is this some kind of joke? Is the US really planning combat ISIS by training and arming more "moderate Syrian rebels"?! How the hell was ISIS formed in the first place?!
You can't tell me the US is that stupid. They know very well what they're doing, and they're doing it for a purpose, and the purpose is becoming very clear. I knew the US would never be serious about fighting terrorism in the region, if they wanted to fight it in the first place.
You can't tell me the US is that stupid. They know very well what they're doing, and they're doing it for a purpose, and the purpose is becoming very clear. I knew the US would never be serious about fighting terrorism in the region, if they wanted to fight it in the first place.
Didn't these 'moderates' declare a truce with ISIS last week? lol.
The US is not stupid, its doing what its been doing best in the region. Destabilise, vitalise the military-industrial complex, and sit back and watch the show.
The US is not stupid, its doing what its been doing best in the region. Destabilise, vitalise the military-industrial complex, and sit back and watch the show.
In regards to the last few hostages that ISIS killed, I think they were sold to them by FSA or some other group.
Very true video, sadly one many people wont watch
Even funnier is the same media and presidents who blatantly lied about something as big as saying Iraq had WMD as a pretense to invade another country, killed almost 2 million people
If people remember the media were publishing many similar claims of which they did before they invaded in 2001, ie hes killing minorities, ruthless, wants to nuke the west etc, and all where total fabrications
And Im pretty sure most of the claims about ISIS apart from the beheadings are total lies
Another thing I found other day, Obama is the 4th consecutive US president to do Air strikes in Iraq
Lastly, the US have absolutely destroyed Iraq from the sanctions in the 80`s which led to the death of 500,000 children to due starvation, malnourishment and lack of medical supplies, to the ongoing, bombardment, and pitting of divide and conquer tactics
The US since world war 2 has the blood of millions of people on its hands, and thats not a random statement its a fact and reality, but for some reason people turn a blind eye to all this
Good post, and interesting video from VidaRed.
If only the bible-bashing Americans knew that Obama was indirectly facilitating the massacre of Christians in Syria and Iraq. Brb emailing Fox News and Herman.
If only the bible-bashing Americans knew that Obama was indirectly facilitating the massacre of Christians in Syria and Iraq. Brb emailing Fox News and Herman.
Sounds like you've made a friend RK
Sounds like you've made a friend RK
I'll still be your friend cupcake.
Considering what's happened in Australia, can we say we are in WW3?
And RoyKeane19 makes some good points. I think the USA is responsible for a lot of the world's bloodshed. Not for the same reasons as ISIS, but out of a paranoia, and maybe the desire to be the most powerful nation on earth because they have this warped idea that they're the good guys, so should be. And in many ways, they are the good guys, but the paranoia makes them the bad guys.
That might not make sense. I'm at work sneaking a post in.
And RoyKeane19 makes some good points. I think the USA is responsible for a lot of the world's bloodshed. Not for the same reasons as ISIS, but out of a paranoia, and maybe the desire to be the most powerful nation on earth because they have this warped idea that they're the good guys, so should be. And in many ways, they are the good guys, but the paranoia makes them the bad guys.
That might not make sense. I'm at work sneaking a post in.
Unfortunately, that's how the international system works Liv. The powerful states get to set the agenda, as there is no such thing as a world government. Among the likes of Fascism, Communism, or democratic governance, I'd much prefer the latter to set the agenda for humanity.
Its the idea of American exceptionalism - the idea that the US is allegedly unique and morally superior to all the world's nations, hence it should be able to act as it pleases since it knows best - "the greatest country to ever exist" should not answer to the default customs of the world.
I don't think it acts out of malicious intent, but rather a mix of self-interest and a clouded sense of righteousness.
The video comes off like a propagandist piece of left wing drivel. The editing isn't bad though.
Oh, and the "80s sanctions" were something else weren't they ? Horrible stuff, much like the 1981 Gulf War.
The 80s weren't exactly a fun time to be an Iraqi either. Yanks encourage Saddam to invade Iran, and then give the Iranians a bit of support when Saddam was doing far too well. Sounds eerily similar to the US's policy with ISIS don't ya think.
Saddam didn't need much coaxing to invade Iran. Blaming his actions on the US is quite off the mark therefore. The only mistake the US made was not going to Baghdad and finishng the job in 91, which would've spared us all the sanctions of the 90s (hint hint Roy Keane19) and the 2003 invasion.