30 jihadists got fed up of jihad and, I think, they left back to go to their countries. I think ISIS allows jihadists to go back home but there are a few groups who get a hold of passports and you HAVE to fight then, you have no choice. I think Jabhat al nusra does that.
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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What rubbish, don't let them back in the country.
They shouldn't be allowed back at all, if they think they're gonna come back and enjoy a nice easy life then they've got it twisted.
Jail 'm all. The savages.
That said, if they realize their mistake and hand themselves in, they should get reduced sentences and be given the chance to rehabilitate.
I think if you're truly remorseful and horrified by the acts of ISIS, you should seek to return whatever the consequences, rather than trying to put conditions on it such as 'no prison'. You're already relatively safe in the knowledge the treatment you'd receive from betraying ISIS is likely to be worse than what you'd receive returning to the UK. That said, the types of people that were drawn to go in the first place have already indicated they're not the best at thinking beyond their own circumstances and convictions.
I have no words... so many people dying like a human life is worth nothing.
It's time for the rest of the world to wake up and stop these barbarians. Send in troops from all around the globe and annihilate these horrible cnuts. I know it's not that easy but I really wish it was.
Mistake? The assholes joined a terrorist group, they knew damn well what they signed up for, god knows what sort of atrocities they've committed whilst over there, the barbaric animals should be given a one way ticket to Guantanamo but I'm sure some bleeding lefty will come in and tell us all how that would be inhumane. They made their bed, let them lie in it. Went to fight for a foreign cause didn't they? And now all of a sudden they want to come back "home"? It's a shame their nationalities can't be revoked.
It says it all about this country that we'd be willing to take these scumbags back.
They should be allowed to return provided they don't have blood on their hands and are willing to provide actionable intelligence that leads us to the ISIS hierarchy, including the leader. At that point they should be given a lesser sentence or in certain cases suspended sentences that are tied to them helping educate others about the perils of joining similar groups.
That would set dangerous precedents. Other than that though I more or less agree with what you've said. It doesn't sound like remorse they are feeling either. They are just annoyed at fighting other rebels. Enough with this crap already...
Is that actually happening?
Fair enough I suppose. How does one prove they do/don't have blood on their hands?
They can't be trusted to come back and adhere to societal norms. That's not saying intelligence services couldn't offer them a return under certain circumstances to get the intelligence they need from them though before reneging.
Some of them may have thought they were just going over to fight against other armies, etc, but they get there and they have to witness women and children getting tortured. Kind of feel for them if that's the case, but it's the decision they made and should now have to live with it.
Very carefully. Generally, some the lower level ones who go there may not be involved in fighting at all. Some of the western ones may be doing things like social media, public relations et al - which would be different than the ones going around decapitating and summarily executing captured opponents. The idea is to separate the reconcilables who may be having second thoughts with the true irreconcilables - the hardcore nutters who are hellbent on killing and death. Creating doubt and paranoia within such an organization will go a long way to helping it implode from within
Yes, because Egypt and other Arab countries were beacons of democracy when they were in war with Israel. How did Christians do (those that had not already fled Egypt) under the MB, Mubarak or even Sa'adat for that matter), or women, homosexuals, dissidents? Arabs are "angry with Israel" because they are brainwashed into hating Israel more than anything else. It's the outside evil they always needed.
However, since the topic of this thread has much more to do with stability in the ME than with civil liberites in Egypt I think my point still stands. I do not think that Sisi is a great liberal, and that's a damn shame. However, if the chaos in Sinai spilled into mainland Egypt things could have got a lot worse. The same applies to uncontrolled arms trafficking in Sinai.
This would make it hard bringing them to court.
You don't need to try them for individual offenses. They're guilty of treason though whether or not they'd be charged with it is another matter.
Treason? why? How is siding with one murderous group (ISIS) against another (Assad's militias) translates to treason in the West? Unless there's concrete evidence for participation of individuals in atrocities there's little the legal system could do under current law, I would think.
Siding with a group that has been declared a terrorist organisation by Britain, one that has actively encouraged Muslims to commit atrocities on British streets as well as beheading journalists and threatening to murder a British journalists. I'd say that's good enough ground for treason.
But again the UK had seriously considered bombing Assad to help these goons, so perhaps they'll only charge those who fight for 'Bad ISIS' in Iraq while giving exemption to 'Good ISIS' over in Syria.
Does that apply to siding with Hamas too? Perhaps only supporters of bad terrorists will be charged, but not those of good terrorists?
"Treason" is the wrong charge, really. They didn't go into the Middle East to kill the Queen. There's no betrayal of the country as such.
They did, however, go over there to kill people, and they should be charged as such to begin with - before even considering terrorism. Since they have likely killed Syrians and/or Iraqis, we should also consider handing them over to their judiciaries to stand trial if they will receive a fair trial there (a bit of a stupid question perhaps, but due process needs to be followed).
After all, if a British citizen goes over to another country - not even necessarily one that is war-torn, like France or Germany - with the intent of killing people, they would be arrested and jailed. The same should apply to those who went to Syria to fight Assad. Whether Assad is "nice" or not should not make a difference.
The only situation where some sort of amnesty or lenience that should be provided is where they have information that can be used - although as low-level expendable goons, I'm not expecting them to know much. There might also be an acceptable scenario where the UK might provide some sort of leniency in the hope that more return - which would be up to the authorities, really - I'm ambivalent about this.
If they are truly regretful... They should have thought about it before going over there. If they hand themselves in, they may get more lenient sentences - which is probably the best option for those who truly regret. "Rock and a hard place" springs to mind.
They did, however, go over there to kill people, and they should be charged as such to begin with - before even considering terrorism. Since they have likely killed Syrians and/or Iraqis, we should also consider handing them over to their judiciaries to stand trial if they will receive a fair trial there (a bit of a stupid question perhaps, but due process needs to be followed).
After all, if a British citizen goes over to another country - not even necessarily one that is war-torn, like France or Germany - with the intent of killing people, they would be arrested and jailed. The same should apply to those who went to Syria to fight Assad. Whether Assad is "nice" or not should not make a difference.
The only situation where some sort of amnesty or lenience that should be provided is where they have information that can be used - although as low-level expendable goons, I'm not expecting them to know much. There might also be an acceptable scenario where the UK might provide some sort of leniency in the hope that more return - which would be up to the authorities, really - I'm ambivalent about this.
If they are truly regretful... They should have thought about it before going over there. If they hand themselves in, they may get more lenient sentences - which is probably the best option for those who truly regret. "Rock and a hard place" springs to mind.
That's a very weak basis for charging them.
Can't we just put them all into Guantanamo Bay or something like that?
From the Treason Act of 1351, which is still in effect: adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid and comfort, in the realm or elsewhere.
As a designated terrorist organization by the British Home Office, it would seemingly qualify the person for aiding the sovereign's enemies. Again, whether they charge them with it or not, it fits the definition.
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Sounds like a possible interpretation for the "Right of Return".
This would apply to the ISM crowd in Hamas-controlled Gaza.
Any brit fighting for the isreali army shouldn't be allowed back home
Would you still feel this way if one of these individuals had hacked the head off of one of your loved ones?
These animals don't deserve a reduced anything.
israel isn't an enemy of britain, infact neither is isis in syria!
Rubbish. The Israeli and British armies fight against the same enemy.
Hard as Israel has tried, no one belives your bullshit
Read the thread title.
This is the funny thing - not much was made about Brits going off to Libya and Syria to commit atrocities so long as they antagonised Gaddaffi and Assad respectively. The second they went 'rogue' and started threatening regional interests, the home office goes nuts.
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Is...gence-for-US-led-campaign-against-ISIS-374790
'Israel provides satellite imagery, other intelligence for US-led campaign against ISIS'
Israel Defense Ministry declines comment on report of western diplomat; source says Israeli intel is "scrubbed" of evidence of Israeli origin before delivery by the US to Arab nations, Turkey, Iran.
Judging by some opinions in this thread if you keep expressing support for terrorists you could well be allowed back home.
According to kissinger iran is worse than isis 
According to kissinger iran is worse than isis
He said it was a bigger threat which, considering Iran's nuclear program, is quite understandable. ISIS are nothing more than a bunch of savages riding Toyotas in the desert.
20 yr old Female Peshmerga, Nîgar Hosseini from Rojhelat, martyred in Kirkuk on Saturday.
Wait, what? Surely you're agreeing with my point there? Yep, thank god we had those secular military leaders to advance women and minority rights (including Christians, Atheists, Homosexuals) and to prevent the Islamists from winning power and depriving these groups of fundamental rights (the secular leaders just deprive everybody of fundamental rights. Especially women, Christians, atheists and homosexuals. Oh...)
I'm talking about now and the perception amongst many Arabs that the USA, often under the guise of maintaining Israel's security above all else, works against their interest and maintains despotic regimes. And as I've said before, it is ironic that you've gone back to talking about the Arabs and the outside evil. You (rightly) mock the Arabs for looking for the outside evil, the hand that interferes in their affairs. Yet when they try to do something to change their situation, acknowledging that a large part of their situation is their leaders and the lack of freedoms they're given......you want Obama to intervene and stop that. Ok then.
This is where we fundamentally disagree. You see leaders like Saddam, Mubarak, Sisi, Assad, Ali, Saleh as the solution to these Islamist crazies. I see them as being the fundamental cause. The more you brutalise a population, the more you steal their dignity, the more you steal their money, the more you the more you make people disappear, the more you barrel bomb whole areas or gas towns, the more sectarian strife you attempt to create....the more people find only extreme solutions to their problems.
You cannot defeat Jihadism with just a security solution and anybody who still honestly believes that we can 13 years after the Western war on terror started (but many decades since the Arabs started fighting it) they have their heads in the sand.