ISIS in Iraq and Syria

Essaux said:
Nah son. It has most certainly to do with it as well as the embassies and the consulates. I'm sorry, but you're not going to fool me that oil in Iraq Kurdistan has nothing to do with it.

Anything the US really does in the Middle East has to do with securing Oil interest and creating puppet regimes as well as keeping the Military Industrial Complex gaining revenue through perpetual war.

It's not like the US hasn't tried to influence politics anywhere else in the world with covert operations and in some cases overt. Just a few that pop to my mind: Afghanistan, arming the then Muhadjeen lead by Osama bin Laden - trained and armed by the CIA - to fight off the Soviets. But also, Iraq (twice), Vietnam, Chile (toppling of left-wing Allende and installing fascist Pinochet), well in fact, according to one source: America has invaded 70 countries since its 4th of July Independence Day in 1776.

Interesting they claim to be fighting these savages but only localised and they don't care that these same savages massacre minorities in Syria.
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The US has actually imported a good amount of oil from Canada and is now one of the world's biggest oil producers, so the oil argument is a bit lazy and myopic. Libya is also oil rich and yet the US largely stayed out of that. Egypt, not so much and there was plenty of pressure from the US government to get rid of Mubarak. Syria has little in terms of oil and yet the US favors Assad's departure. There is no consistency in the policies as it relates to petroleum.

Your other points are completely irrelevant to this topic.
 
Raoul said:
Oil and contractors has nothing to do with it. The US has Embassies and Consulates in Iraq, which after Benghazi, means there's a sensitivity of something similar happening again. Also, it just finished an 8 year war and doesn't want to see the effort and investment unravel because of ISIS.



Baghdadi is apparently in Mosul (or at least he was), but has probably since scampered back across the border into Syria, safely out of range of US fighter jets. The US is more than likely not going to bomb Syria because of the geo-political implications and the opposition to the Assad regime.
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Im sure if they know where he's staying a drone will knock at his house :D
 
Essaux said:
Nah son. It has most certainly to do with it as well as the embassies and the consulates. I'm sorry, but you're not going to fool me that oil in Iraq Kurdistan has nothing to do with it.

Anything the US really does in the Middle East has to do with securing Oil interest and creating puppet regimes as well as keeping the Military Industrial Complex gaining revenue through perpetual war.

It's not like the US hasn't tried to influence politics anywhere else in the world with covert operations and in some cases overt. Just a few that pop to my mind: Afghanistan, arming the then Muhadjeen lead by Osama bin Laden - trained and armed by the CIA - to fight off the Soviets. But also, Iraq (twice), Vietnam, Chile (toppling of left-wing Allende and installing fascist Pinochet), well in fact, according to one source: America has invaded 70 countries since its 4th of July Independence Day in 1776.

Interesting they claim to be fighting these savages but only localised and they don't care that these same savages massacre minorities in Syria.
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Two of the 23 Iraqi oil contracts are held by American companies. Iraq is also well down the list of countries the US imports oil from.
 
barros said:
Im sure if they know where he's staying a drone will knock at his house :D
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If he has half a brain (which he apparently does), he will be well across the Syrian border. Maybe Assad will inadvertently drop a barrel bomb on his location and save us the hassle.
 
Raoul said:
The US has actually imported a good amount of oil from Canada and is now one of the world's biggest oil producers, so the oil argument is a bit lazy and myopic. Libya is also oil rich and yet the US largely stayed out of that. Egypt, not so much and there was plenty of pressure from the US government to get rid of Mubarak. Syria has little in terms of oil and yet the US favors Assad's departure. There is no consistency in the policies as it relates to petroleum.

Your other points are completely irrelevant to this topic.
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The reason obama had to act to protect the Kurdish has more to do with the all Iraq, if the IS terrorists took over Iraq then Iran would intervene and obama would be blamed for letting Iraq going down, and the problem here in sending troops has more to do with him than his party because more democratic voices wants US to send troops to stop IS. Americans where against the war because they saw we went there to protect oil interests but today they see in different way.
 
Raoul said:
If he has half a brain (which he apparently does), he will be well across the Syrian border. Maybe Assad will inadvertently drop a barrel bomb on his location and save us the hassle.
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I don't understand if he knows for sure he will have 70 wives and however the number of virgins if he died shouldn't he have a huge banner saying I'm here?


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He's probably in a strip club. There's loads of photos him doing all of that haram stuff before he became the big caliphate guy.
 
Rudaw (Kurdish News Channel) said this was the dude in a nightclub years ago. That's the main photo that's done the rounds online, they had pics on TV (including BBC) about it after he made that appearance in the mosque.

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Why does every bad thing that happens in the region have to be linked back to Jews and America? It's as if Arabs can never do wrong.

Also Baghdadi is probably in Raqqa, Mosul isn't a clever place to be right now.
 
Where I live it's what the roadmen do to show they mean business.
 
Relevated said:
How do you know about this stuff
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A similar gesture (or in fact most of the time the same gesture) is made when one recites the Shahada (in which one proclaims: There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.)

The gesture is a direct affirmation of the strict monotheism of Islam.

I know about this stuff, so ignorant non-Muslims and Muslims alike cannot say I'm ignorant or don't understand Islam when I criticise it.
 
Essaux said:
A similar gesture (or in fact most of the time the same gesture) is made when one recites the Shahada (in which one proclaims: There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.)

The gesture is a direct affirmation of the strict monotheism of Islam.

I know about this stuff, so ignorant non-Muslims and Muslims alike cannot say I'm ignorant or don't understand Islam when I criticise it.
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Thats good to hear, most people dont know wtf they're talking about and it gets really annoying.
 
Raoul said:
It was obviously a mistake to ask the US to leave, as ISIS would never have swept into Iraq from Syria during the intervening years. Maliki was under extreme pressure from Iran and the Sadrists at the time, so its understandable he acted as he did, but in the end it came at a great cost to the stability of the nation he governed.
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Will Absolute said:
Very true.

All Iraqis were dancing in the streets with Maliki in power and IS overrunning the country. The arrival of American 'advisers' has spoiled everything.
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You know, chances are ISIS wouldn't have the resources or firepower if the Yanks and their Gulf allies didn't arm their mates across the border in Syria. The US's presence was what castigated this, and its continued presence will only inflame the situation the further. It's also telling that they're mostly bombing near the Kurdish positions while leaving the Iraqi military south to mostly fend for itself.
 
Are kurds going over and fighting too and are the peshmerga in control of the dam yet
 
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Is it true that it was actually a yezidi village up on those mountains who already lived there and most people people didn't want rescuing because of that fact?
 
Relevated said:
Are kurds going over and fighting too and are the peshmerga in control of the dam yet
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Kurds are in control of the dam.
Relevated said:
Is it true that it was actually a yezidi village up on those mountains who already lived there and most people people didn't want rescuing because of that fact?
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lol no wtf who said this?
 
Relevated said:
Is it true that it was actually a yezidi village up on those mountains who already lived there and most people people didn't want rescuing because of that fact?
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Odd place for a village.

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode in which Homer travels with Apu to India to the headquarters of the 'World's First Convenience Store', located on top of a Himalayan mountain. "This isn't very convenient", says Homer.
 
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Raoul said:
The only thing that's spot on is his admission that he doesn't have a solution, which makes everything else he says seem like stand up comedy.
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Before "trying to find a solution", we must first decide if we really want a solution. That's the main point.
 
Danny1982 said:
Before "trying to find a solution", we must first decide if we really want a solution. That's the main point.
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My point is that Brand is ranting with nothing constructive to offer other than rightly mocking O'Reilly. He's more effective as a comedian than a bestower of social commentary.
 
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