ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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Same story. Different sources. Different dates. One of them's breaking exclusive.
The BBC has uncovered details of a secret deal that let hundreds of IS fighters – including foreign militants - and their families escape from Raqqa in Syria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret
Incredible that they strike such deals with scum like IS.
It isn't like normal rules for war between countries apply when dealing with these.
The more that escape the more will likely try to make their way to Europe.
It isn't like normal rules for war between countries apply when dealing with these.
The more that escape the more will likely try to make their way to Europe.
Should have offered them the same mercy they would have been given had the shoe been on the other foot.
Granted, I can see the logic of offering concessions if it encourages others to surrender, but Raqqa was pretty much their final stronghold, might as well have finished the cnuts off there and then. Now they'll just go back home and operate covertly, some even in Europe.
Granted, I can see the logic of offering concessions if it encourages others to surrender, but Raqqa was pretty much their final stronghold, might as well have finished the cnuts off there and then. Now they'll just go back home and operate covertly, some even in Europe.
The BBC hasn't uncovered anything. They just got around to covering a month old story that is already old news in "conspiracy theory" circles.
This, for me, removes any doubt that there's a KSA/US/Israel alliance.
Feck me that is some alliance. Almost like a nations version of when Bayer and Monsanto joined forces.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I'm worried things are just about to kick-off for real. The Syrian Arab Army, with Russian support, were doing well, about to take control of their two biggest oilfields from ISIS. Now they're in the hands of US-backed opposition. There have been claims that the US has been in cahoots with ISIS.
In the north-west and around Damascus, HTS has been the main opposition. I heard yesterday that a top SAA general was killed in an explosion, and HTS were thought responsible. A little over a month ago, HTS escorted Turkish military into northern Syria, where they took up strategically important defensive positions. This seems to reinforce claims that have been made for years that Turkey was in cahoots with Al Nusra, which morphed into HTS.
In short, it looks as though masks and gloves are coming off.
In the north-west and around Damascus, HTS has been the main opposition. I heard yesterday that a top SAA general was killed in an explosion, and HTS were thought responsible. A little over a month ago, HTS escorted Turkish military into northern Syria, where they took up strategically important defensive positions. This seems to reinforce claims that have been made for years that Turkey was in cahoots with Al Nusra, which morphed into HTS.
In short, it looks as though masks and gloves are coming off.
This seems to be a good account to follow...
Because ISIS is much safer in areas controlled by the US...the one power concerned with eliminating them as opposed to propping up Assad.
Fantastic insight.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
The US haven't been anything like as active in combating ISIS as the Syrians, Russians, Iranians, Hezbollah and the Kurds.
The US has actively and covertly been seeking to destabilise and/or overthrow the Assad regime.
The recent airing given by the BBC to the US-backed SDF allowing ISIS to escape from Raqqa showed why ISIS would consider SDF held territory safer.
Patently false.
Come on. You can't leave it at that.
It's well documented that the US and the Kurds have been the vanguard against ISIS, whilst the Russians have been far more concerned with keeping Assad in power until just recently.
When you say "well documented", I have to ask where and by whom? Most mainstream media is unbelievably biased against the Syrian government. I honestly do think western governments have an unhealthy influence on our media.
Things are changing, with first-hand accounts of events on the ground spreading rapidly on Twitter etc., and it's clear our mainstream media and governments hate that. Personally, I'm a big fan. Of course, there's a lot of fake news everywhere, but at least on social media you can make your own mind up what to believe. If, as happens so much these days, only one side is represented in the most pervasive media, the general public end up with a completely biased and false view.
It is for sure, a complicated situation. The SAA, with help from Russia, Hezbollah and Iran, have been fighting ISIS and a lot of rebel groups, many of whom are proscribed terrorist organisations, some with goals allied to ISIS.
Here's an example of the sort of thing you just don't get on MSM...
The media have correctly covered Assad's use of sarin gas and other attrocities against his own people so I don't think we can call that bias - it simply is what it is.
Also, you seem to call into question western media whilst continuing to promote discredited or unverified fringe sources - like the Abby Martin piece you recently posted in the Middle East politics thread. She is a known 9/11 truther who previously worked for RT - the same outlet that is Russian state sponsored propaganda on behalf of the Russian dictatorship. The so called main stream media are infinitely more credible than any of the sources you have posted and the only reason you don't seem to like them is because they don't support your political leanings on this issue.
That OPCW/JIM report really is quite ridiculous though. The area was deemed too dangerous for independent investigators at the time - because it was in the hands of head-chopping terrorists - and yet we only have evidence and testimony provided by those self-same head-choppers to go on. Add to that the fact that the investigators were all from countries opposed to the Assad regime, and it's clear it's a stitch up. Bias is clearly what it is.
That Jimmy Dore excerpt is off topic, but I don't see you arguing with the content.
Are you denying that Assad launched a Sarin gas attack on his own people ?
Absolutely.
But back to what I was saying...
There was a piece in a BBC World Service radio news bulletin a month or so about military of our NATO partners Turkey being escorted into Syria by HTS (aka Assembly for the Liberation of the Levant, aka HTS, aka Al Nusra, aka Al Qaeda). That was it. Nothing particularly newsworthy about a NATO ally openly collaborating with a proscribed terrorist organisation? Doesn't that make you sick? Do we really think we're going to be safe from terrorists that can and do interoperate with one of our NATO allies?
Ted Postol's report got barely a mention in the western media. He's emeritus professor at MIT but because he said it was clear Assad wasn't responsible for the Khan Sheikhoun tragedy his report didn't get an airing.
Seymour Hersh, a Pulitzer prize winner, tried really hard to get his article published in the western media but, because he also said Assad was unlikely to be guilty, no one wanted to publish - until at last Die Welt did so. Even then, no one else ran with the story.
If you don't think we're being lied to then enjoy your life in la la land.
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Ok, so basically you’re admitting to being a paranoid fake news conspiracy theorist who prefers being fed propaganda from fringe outlets. Now that we’ve get that out of the way it will make it easier for us to interpret the moral bankruptcy of your posts.
Yeah go on. That's the idea. Come up with arguments.
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Vanessa Beeley's exposé of the White Helmets at the Swiss Press Club:
The full conference session is linked to in this tweet, but it's not subtitled so only really worth watching if you understand french.
The full conference session is linked to in this tweet, but it's not subtitled so only really worth watching if you understand french.
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Storyville, Last Men in Aleppo is on BBC iPlayer, 1 hour 25 minute documentary about the White Helmets.
I can't watch coz I don't have a TV licence. Is that the one with George Clooney?
Not that one, no. You could watch it with a VPN.
I don't think you need a TV licence to watch iPlayer, you only need to watch live TV.
edit; Nvm, you do, it's the other channels streaming services you don't need a licence for .
Here's the English translation for those, like me, that didn't understand the French...
The article linked to here is a good interesting read with good links to sources like the Clinton emails etc..
Seymour Hersh, one of the most unimpeachable investigative journalists in the western world doubts the sarin attack at Khan Sheikhoun, if it's good enough for him, it should be enough to at the very least remove beyond a shadow of a doubt from your opinion.
Man, just look at the outright Nazi comments below that article and it might make you think about the consequences of the propaganda you tirelessly post here.
Maybe he made some of them? Several calling for the extermination of all Israeli's.
Pretty sure that photo of Nettie has been shopped also.
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