There's absolutely no gain for Assad in that, while the downside is tremendous. I don't see the logic in such attack for him, while I can certainly see how well it works in PR terms for the other side.
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There's absolutely no gain for Assad in that, while the downside is tremendous. I don't see the logic in such attack for him, while I can certainly see how well it works in PR terms for the other side.
There is quite clear gain in it for him: shocking the rest of the opposition into submission. There is a fair amount of fighting left in this war...he could be trying to end it expediently.
Why don't they do it every day, then? Just gas them non-stop and end it in no time. I mean, Assad's just a mad monster who doesn't care what the world thinks, right? So why not constantly use chemical attacks on his opponents and shock them into submission much faster?
He may be brutal but he's not an idiot.
Obviously you don't really know the meaning of the word hypocrite.
Still makes no sense for you to bitch about the timing of a thread when it preceded your post. If the timing did not matter why did YOU bring the timing up? I guess it only mattered when you thought it made some point. When you realized that failed you tried to back away.
If it does not matter don't post it.
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There really is not much downside for Assad. It's not like the world has not ignored others who have used chemical weapons. Russia and China won't stop backing him. The west will not up the ante because of it.
Though as I already expressed I am still waiting on the proof of this being a chemical attack and then who was responsible.
Though as I already expressed I am still waiting on the proof of this being a chemical attack and then who was responsible.
Just a reminder this is your entire post. You decided to make an issue of the timing of the thread. Perhaps you should be more careful and thoughtful of what you post.
1. My initial post was on how the western MSM largely ignored the suffering of the civilians in Mosul while making a huge deal of Aleppo situation.
2. Your reply to it said there was already a thread dedicated to what's happening to civilians in Mosul. That thread, by the way, was about the US admitting killing 200 civilians in Mosul air strike, so it was news that was just released, which explains the timing of the thread.
3. My reply to that post pointed out that the thread was only started the day before while the problem of Aleppo civilians suffering had been going for months, which only backs my initial argument.
4. To which you reply "And what was the date of your post?"
Am I missing something here? How does timing of my post change the actual subject of the discussion? Were the people of Mosul doing just fine before the thread popped up or before I decided to mention it? It's irrelevant WHEN I posted it. The only thing that matters is whether it has any truth to it, and in my opinion, it does.
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Russian government saying that regime warplanes hit a rebel warehouse which was being used for storing chemical weapons.
no blood or gore...so, I didn't spoiler
Please use spoilers next time anyway, that's still a picture of a massacre.
They must have read my earlier post.
Two minute video of a hospital trying to take care of the victims
*warning* video is not for the faint of heart
I don't care who did it...or why they did it...or who is the lesser evil...
THIS CAN'T BE ACCEPTABLE - look at the poor little kids ffs
*warning* video is not for the faint of heart
I don't care who did it...or why they did it...or who is the lesser evil...
THIS CAN'T BE ACCEPTABLE - look at the poor little kids ffs
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Says the guy who first tried to make an issue of the timing of a post. If you don't want it to be an issue, then don't bring it up. If you bring it up, deal with the fact that you have made it an issue. If you really feel it is not an issue, then STFU about it already. If it is an issue, then it is an issue for your post as well and deal with it.
But maybe you are just too slow to realize you brought it up and made it an issue.
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But anyways back to all the innocent victims of the violence being committed by both sides.
I have a feeling the investigation into the chemical attack will bog down. Each side will claim to have enough proof of their side of the story and people will end up coming down on the side that fits their preconceived notions.
Obviously something killed all those people, the question at hand is where/who did it come from.
I have a feeling the investigation into the chemical attack will bog down. Each side will claim to have enough proof of their side of the story and people will end up coming down on the side that fits their preconceived notions.
Obviously something killed all those people, the question at hand is where/who did it come from.
If you really feel it is not an issue, then STFU about it already. If it is an issue, then it is an issue for your post as well and deal with it.
But maybe you are just too slow to realize you brought it up and made it an issue.
I've already said all I needed to say on the subject. I'm afraid I don't have the neccessary medical expertise to convey what I was trying to explain to you in terms even a mental patient would understand.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...g-syrian-airstrikes-hit-chemical-depot-idlib/
BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:07 P.M.) – Russia will present data proving that an air strike struck a chemical arms production facility in southern Idlib at a session of the UN Security Council scheduled to discuss this incident, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday.
BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:07 P.M.) – Russia will present data proving that an air strike struck a chemical arms production facility in southern Idlib at a session of the UN Security Council scheduled to discuss this incident, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/middleeast/idlib-syria-attack/index.html
Eyewitness accounts are in conflict with the Russian/Syrian explanation. Some sort of nerve agent and evidence pointing to an "air-launched chemical attack."
One quoted expert stated that sarin gas would be destroyed in an explosion. Though I suppose if it was just a matter of shock damage breaking open canisters that might explain it.
Russian claims that a regime airstrike on a "terrorist" ammunition depot caused the deaths of at least 70 people in northern Syria have been rejected, as victims described the aftermath of chemical bombs dropped from planes.
International condemnation mounted on Wednesday over what appeared to be a targeted chemical attack on a rebel-held town in Idlib province, one of the deadliest since the Syrian war began six years ago.
The White House and the UK blamed the regime of President Bashar al-Assad for the outrage, which caused the deaths of at least 10 children, some asleep in their beds when the attack struck at dawn.
The World Health Organization said victims bore the signs of exposure to nerve agents, and Amnesty International said evidence pointed to an "air-launched chemical attack." International agencies were working to establish the provenance of the agents used in the strike.
Russia claimed the deaths were caused by gas released when a regime airstrike hit a chemical weapons factory on the ground. But victims being treated in a hospital on the Turkish side of the border told a CNN team they saw chemical bombs being dropped from planes.
Eyewitness accounts are in conflict with the Russian/Syrian explanation. Some sort of nerve agent and evidence pointing to an "air-launched chemical attack."
One quoted expert stated that sarin gas would be destroyed in an explosion. Though I suppose if it was just a matter of shock damage breaking open canisters that might explain it.
Goodness me, what has happened to this world
This is just unacceptable.
Is there a limit to how cruel human beings can be ?
This is just unacceptable.
Is there a limit to how cruel human beings can be ?
Well since the Muslim world hates United States for things like killing civilians in an air strike, why they don't hate the Russians as much when civilians are been killed with gas and air strikes? Could be because US with all the defects we well know still stands for democracy and freedom?
I thought the air strike was at night and I can garante you will not see anything at night just the scare noise of a damn rocket. The Germans shot a few rockets over the trees back in Portugal (from airplanes)in training and I can tell you the sound was scary as hell even they used blanks.
A) Russia gets plenty of condemnation from Muslims.
B) We don't know the exact circumstances behind the attack yet.
Didn't take you long to insinuate the whole "they hate our freedom!" line. Also, pretty ironic considering your country is essentially a Russian vassal now with a Putin puppet in the white house.
What gave you the impression that Russia isn't hated in the Muslim world?
Forget the whole Soviet Union and Afghan thing...Chechnya rated a mention at EVERY single Jummah munajat at my local mosque
I think I need to step away from the internet for the rest of the day
Can't say for sure, just showing what is being reported.
Going back to one of the earlier articles on this attack and it said one witness was awoken at 6:30 AM to the sound of explosions. What time is sunrise there at this time of year?
I guess I hurt his feelings.
6.15-6.30
So add in the bit of morning glow before sunrise and yeah maybe some could have been seen the airstrike.
Sickening
This is horrible, and whoever did it must pay the price. But anybody jumping to conclusions right now is not credible, and clearly it's only his agenda talking. People (government officials) who reacted this way to earlier incidents:"We will investigate these human right abuses by the rebels" (an endless investigation apparently because we never heard about any results), or:
"We'll investigate these alleged war crimes committed by Saudi Arabia" (which ends up being an "investigation" done by Saudi Arabia itself)
these same people are the same people who are talking about "immediate measures as a response!" now to an incident which happened only a few hours ago, without any investigation needed.
Also some people (here) need to make their mind up about "He does what want because he can" and "He's not stupid, he can't do this". If he's not stupid and he knows he has to be careful, then what's the need for this? Totally unnecessary. In fact, if he wants to do it, then it's better to do it against the mass wave attacks Al-Nusra has launched against Hama a couple of weeks ago, why would he now, after he repelled their attack, and has been advancing quickly in the last week around Hama, target children with a chemical attack that has absolutely no benefit and only harm for him? Makes no sense.
May be the next few days will help us get some additional info.
Let's see what the Russians present.
That's heartbreaking.I think I need to step away from the internet for the rest of the day
Expect military action at some point.
Nothing will spur anything. ISIS, Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusra and other groups already possess and have used chemical weapons in Iraq and Syria before, and will whenever they can and whenever they think it could help them. Here are a few (non-Assad/non-Russian) sources:
US military: Al-Qaeda's use of chlorine gas
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/opinion/bergen-chemical-weapons-syria
US military: Al-Qaeda target US convoy with roadside bomb containing sarin
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4997808/#.WOVi4xKGNTY
Iraqi government: Al-Qaeda workshops to manufacture sarin and mustard gas found
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22742201
Syrian Kurds and Red Crescent: Syrian rebels used chlorine against Kurdish areas
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-kurds-idUSKCN0WA29B
Turkish media: Chemical substances found in house of Al-Nusra fighters residing in Turkey
http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/adanada-el-nusra-operasyonu-2-kilo-sarin-gazi-bulundu-1135579/
http://www.gazetevatan.com/gunun-bombasi--542225-gundem/
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/el-kaide-operasyonunda-5-kisi-serbest-23398827
http://www.aksam.com.tr/guncel/vali-cos-sarin-gazi-iddiasini-yalanladi/haber-211025
http://www.zaman.com.tr/gundem_adanada-el-kaide-operasyonu-12-gozalti_2094730.html
And here is what Osama bin Ladin wrote to his group in Yemen about chemical weapons and how to use them:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/opinion/bergen-chemical-weapons-syria
So don't worry, nobody is giving ISIS, Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusra or whoever any ideas here.
Wait, you're now quoting Tillerson? This Tillerson...?
Sounds like Putin is conducting a campaign to get his guys in Washington to drop Mitt Romney. CNN just reported Rex Tillerson, the CEO of Exxon and good pal of Putin, is now being considered as a leading candidate for Secretary of State (despite having zero governance experience).
...
Now you like him and he's credible? ... But I believed you when you said this... ^^
Oh and what about the "Russian connections", "Trump, the Russian agent", what about the "Golden Showers"? How does this fit in the "dots" you and your media were "connecting"?
Wait, you're now quoting Tillerson? This Tillerson...?
...
Now you like him and he's credible? ... But I believed you when you said this... ^^
Oh and what about the "Russian connections", "Trump, the Russian agent", what about the "Golden Showers"? How does this fit in the "dots" you and your media were "connecting"?
What is this babble ?
Trump said today his position on Assad has changed.