Tragic, Syria has become a playground for killers.
Will Trump be considering incidents like this while he's 'trying to figure out what the hell is going on'.
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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Tragic, Syria has become a playground for killers.
Will Trump be considering incidents like this while he's 'trying to figure out what the hell is going on'.
I am hearing from very strong sources it was a Tablighi Markaz (Mosque). They were having their regular Thursday night gathering. The group is absolutely apolitical.
When did Tablighi take up arms in the cause of violent struggle?
Not sure I understand your post.
I'm sure you know it's against the principles of the effort to even discuss politics. It's purely an effort to rectify your actions and soul. They were just innocent people making an effort to reform themselves and hopefully others to be better Muslims.
It was in regards to the Americans saying they targeted militants.
I grew up around Tablighi with family members who were/are prominent members, I'm well aware of the pacifism in their ideology.
Basically using words such as "militants" excuses their blunders!
When are you going out for 4 Months?
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Basically using words such as "militants" excuses their blunders!
When are you going out for 4 Months?
I've been putting it off for the past 20 years! Maybe next yearfecking Israel...attack a sovereign nation...go into their airspace...and then threaten it for defending itself.
Shame I won't be alive long enough to see Israel get what it deserves
Shame I won't be alive long enough to see Israel get what it deserves
Israel doesn't seem to understand the notion of borders, so I doubt they'd care about airspace violations.
We laugh at the media elsewhere...but this was/is western media, we have nothing to be smug about
'IRREFUTABLE' they said
This was the NYT...
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2003/02/15/opinion/disarming-iraq.html?referer=https://t.co/nWYhDAEF98
A nation destroyed...hundreds of thousands dead...millions of lives destroyed forever.
'IRREFUTABLE' they said
This was the NYT...
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2003/02/15/opinion/disarming-iraq.html?referer=https://t.co/nWYhDAEF98
A nation destroyed...hundreds of thousands dead...millions of lives destroyed forever.
So does anyone think the Brits + Americans are involved in direct contact with the Russians and we just don't hear about? Cause why would we. They're not meant to be there.
Brits have SAS/SBS attached to 'moderate' rebels. Whilst the Spetnaz are with Syrian Armed Forces.
British SF
A video that was aired on Russian state TV of the Russians in Syria.
Brits have SAS/SBS attached to 'moderate' rebels. Whilst the Spetnaz are with Syrian Armed Forces.
British SF
A video that was aired on Russian state TV of the Russians in Syria.
Yeah its pretty good - Frontline do pretty good docs for US tv.
Well next time let the Russians shoot the plane, then we will see Israel destroying Russians air defenses
Yeah just watched it, straightforward and sober, not a lot of insight but it's definitely good that this side of the story got an airing in the American media.
Another depraved attack.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...trikes-kill-100-civilians-one-building-mosul/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...trikes-kill-100-civilians-one-building-mosul/
Hardly the same is it?
Comparing the battle to liberate Mosul with what happened yesterday is absurd.
Nope different set of circumstances. But killing 100 civilians is depraved, unless you think otherwise? It's a shame a lot of people are not aware of these things.
Using hundreds of women and children as human shields is depraved. Especially since we make terrible shields. Even weak ass 9mm rounds go right through us.
I know all too well about Iraqi suffering, but unlike the events of yesterday, I don't think these civilians were deliberately targeted.
If you wanted to make a more apt comparison you could have mentioned any one of the dozens of suicide bomb attacks that have claimed thousands of Iraqi lives this year alone.
Agreed equally as bad. Like I said not enough coverage on what our governments are doing .
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Right so rather codemn what's happened you want to make excuses.
Nope. I've condemned the use of women and children as human shields in a war zone above as depraved. Not sure what you've missed?
Maybe not drop devasting bombs in highly populated civilian areas might help bring down casualties? But who cares about that , they're just 'collateral ' after all.
Maybe let civilians flee a city that you know you're going to have to defend? But who cares about that 'cause it might weaken the strength of your caliphate.
We can sling rhetoric back and forth all day but the fact remains that combatants surrounded themselves with civilians knowing full well what would happen to them just so they can claim the other side are the savages.
So that makes it right? We have to stoop to the level of isis savages?
btw I find this offensive and slanderous.
Unfortunately yes, in order to defeat them. Unless you have another alternative ?
What so we have to start disregarded civilians the same way they do?
Like I said earlier, it's getting to the point that it's close to cyber bullying, as for the attack what did you expect from caftards? hundreds of thousands dead in Syria mostly muslims, but who care? we aren't really important.
While I understand there will be civilians in the crossfire in dirty wars like this, but 230 civilians died ffs . Yet some are looking to make excuses for it.
@Dwazza what's your thoughts on that? is it also okay?
I think the "your" was referring to ISIS, not you (based on the previous sentence).
It is a debate I am not willing to start since we'll go on for ages here, especially on the Israel \ Palestina bit, but it really does raise interesting questions.
How much of the blame is on the rebel group willingly and knowingly bunkering up amongst civilians? I mean, we all know that it is a planned for strategy, since it might deter the enemy from striking.
Actually it raises an interesting debate when it comes to the whole Israel \ Palestina debate as well. Hamas has often hid their rockets and weapon stashes beneath schools, hospitals and other institutions like that, why? Because they know it might deter the enemy from bombing it, and if they do atleast they will have great propaganda to use towards their own citizens and the western media.
Tactics like that raises the question, is it the ones willingly using civilians and civilian institutions as shields that are the culprit for the lives lost, or is it the attacker?
Let's say we excuse the 230 dead in Mosul, what about the guys in the mosque a week ago who weren't doing anything? and why is it that no one cares for those lives lost?
I do not know about the background for that bombing, if it was faulty information or what it was.
You won't see me complaining about the US being called out on their acts though, since we've seen incidents like this heavily used by the West and US against Russia in the Syria conflict.
Also shows western media bias since all casualties from Russian and regime bombing was way heavier covered than the same from the alliance and the US.
Believe me, I have no illusions on behalf of the West and the Western media. That trust is long lost for me, it was brittle before Syria, but Syria was sort of the last straw.
There's a documentary on the disappeared of Assad's Syria starting on Channel 4 right now.
@syrian_scholes , just because we don't always post on every incident in this thread doesn't mean we don't care. We are divided in this thread on the causes of and solutions to the Syrian tragedy, but I think most of us who post here regularly care a lot about it.
@syrian_scholes , just because we don't always post on every incident in this thread doesn't mean we don't care. We are divided in this thread on the causes of and solutions to the Syrian tragedy, but I think most of us who post here regularly care a lot about it.
Why wasn't a thread created for the 230 civilians lives lost in Mosul? if created would it be more than 1 page? All I'm saying is those lives lost are a lot less valuable to most than the attack last night, or any other attack by Muslims in Europe for that matter, take for example the terrorist attack on a mosque in Canada, it didn't garner as much attention as others attacks, it just seems to me that it reached the point that people won't care if muslim die.
Firstly, this is a forum with a heavy number of UK-based members who are naturally going to be more interested in a high profile attack on their doorstep. Most of them might not follow events in Syria at all.
Secondly, the sad truth is that incidents such as those that have happened in Syria the last week have become so regular that they are no longer shocking or surprising - there is a war weariness when it comes to Syria, Iraq, and the Middle East generally (except perhaps with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict).
Finally, as regards the Canadian mosque attack, there is indeed probably a certain level of bias and indifference which explains the discrepancy; I would also argue that there is a silent hope that it's a one-off event. Whereas people in the West are more concerned with attacks from jihadists because at their worst, their scale has been off the charts, they have become a lot more regular in recent years, and their targets tend to be high-profile.