ISIS in Iraq and Syria

A month ago I mentioned here that ISIS are showing signs of complete collapse (with the way they lost Baiji and the areas around it). Looks like it's now too obvious for anybody to hide or ignore. The last month proved that they are over-stretched and can't cope with latest offensives in Syria and Iraq.

All sides have realised that now. Even the Kurds in Syria are attacking them now capturing or nearly capturing an important town (Al-Howl) near Al-Haska. ISIS can no longer concentrate its fight on more than one or two fronts now, and right now they're very concerned about Ramadi and Aleppo (where all fractions are having a tough time and calling for reinforcements from all around Syria).

Resorting to terrorist attacks against civilians, and Sinjar falling in one day pretty much tells the whole story.

And now that they seem to have lost Jihadi John too, looks like the next few months are going to be very tough for ISIS.

... unless, their allies intervene again?
 
A month ago I mentioned here that ISIS are showing signs of complete collapse (with the way they lost Baiji and the areas around it). Looks like it's now too obvious for anybody to hide or ignore. The last month proved that they are over-stretched and can't cope with latest offensives in Syria and Iraq.

All sides have realised that now. Even the Kurds in Syria are attacking them now capturing or nearly capturing an important town (Al-Howl) near Al-Haska. ISIS can no longer concentrate its fight on more than one or two fronts now, and right now they're very concerned about Ramadi and Aleppo (where all fractions are having a tough time and calling for reinforcements from all around Syria).

Resorting to terrorist attacks against civilians, and Sinjar falling in one day pretty much tells the whole story.

And now that they seem to have lost Jihadi John too, looks like the next few months are going to be very tough for ISIS.

... unless, their allies intervene again?

What have you heard about clashes between the Peshmerga and some Shi'a militias?
 
What have you heard about clashes between the Peshmerga and some Shi'a militias?
The start of the incident still not very clear, some talking about the Kurds trying to kidnap some Turkmen, the Turkmen fought to protect them, clashes erupted, ended up with 7 Turkmen dead (including civilians), burning many Turkmen houses, and the Kurds apparently wanting to declare Tuz a Kurdish town (same as they're trying to do now in Sinjar). (the details might not be 100% accurate)

The Turkmen are now asking the Shia paramilitary forces to help them. Asa'ib Al-Haq are threatening the Kurds that Tuz will never be a Kurdish town and if they want to fight for it then they're ready to fight. I don't think things will escalate though, I think in the end they will settle this politically.

There have been some friction lately between the Peshmerga and the Iraqi army as well, as the Peshmerga fired at the Iraqi helicopters trying to bomb ISIS near Kurdish areas (although this is still not 100% confirmed by neutral sources). The news were widely spread though and the friction was very clear in the reactions of both sides.

The thing is everybody is starting to realise now that ISIS' end in Iraq is getting close, and everybody, especially the Kurds, seem to be getting ready for the next stage of the conflict. They simply want to have military control over as much land as they can when the fight with ISIS is over.
 
The thing is everybody is starting to realise now that ISIS' end in Iraq is getting close, and everybody, especially the Kurds, seem to be getting ready for the next stage of the conflict. They simply want to have military control over as much land as they can when the fight with ISIS is over.

Aye, that's a big cause for concern for people thinking defeating ISIS (however that can happen) will bring an end to these wars. More like herald the next stage.
 
Aye, that's a big cause for concern for people thinking defeating ISIS (however that can happen) will bring an end to these wars. More like herald the next stage.
Even though there will still be some problems, nothing is like ISIS. Every single other side have enough amount of sanity to be able to solve all these problems with minimal damage imo. It will be very tough, but I think it will remain within being a very tough political conflict.
 
IS approved school textbook: Kitab al-Tawhid by, you guessed it, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab

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At least 61 people have been killed and over 100 others wounded after Syrian government air strikes targeted a marketplace in a Damascus suburb, sources tell Al Jazeera.

An officer of the Syria Civil Defense at the Damascus suburbs branch told Al Jazeera that the air raids struck a busy market in Douma on Friday, killing at least 61 and injuring more than 100 others.

Douma, east of Damascus, has been under intense government attack for weeks now.

Witnesses said missiles were fired into the marketplace in a rebel-held part of Douma. The toll is expected to rise as people are pulled out of damaged buildings.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...nt-jets-hit-market-douma-151030084004586.html

That dog Bashar loves killing civilians. Death toll has crept past 100 since this story was published.
 
A Syrian friend of mine told me that the rebels fighting Assad are much worse than Assad ever was...not sure what to believe at the moment because I know damn well that the Western media will do anything to portray Assad as pure evil.
In what way worse? By any metric you want to use, Bashar is worse. Rapes, killing, chemical warfare, etc - whatever metric you want to use, the facts show that Bashar is the worst of the lot.
 
Wait, don't tell me. Al Jazeera is one guy in his bedroom in........Dewesbury?

No, but it is owned and funded by the Qatari government, a known opponent of Assad and a key funder and armer of Syrian opposition groups. You wouldn't use PressTV as an impartial source in this conflict, so why excuse Al Jazeera?

I wonder why Al Jazeera haven't described Douma as a 'stronghold' or 'bastion' of the "Sunni militant group Jaysh al Islam"?

Case in point.
 
In what way worse? By any metric you want to use, Bashar is worse. Rapes, killing, chemical warfare, etc - whatever metric you want to use, the facts show that Bashar is the worst of the lot.
Amount of heads hacked off for the camera?
UNESCO sites destroyed
I'm not saying he is in any way good but when you make statements like use any metric you want to use then your probably always going to undermine your own argument.
There is always the counter argument of how many people ISIS or whatever they are being called this week has killed etc proportional to the areas / populations they control and perhaps more tellingly the hypothetical how many would they have killed if they had access to an airforce, chemical weapons etc.

I don't foresee any solution in the short term and if anything I see an increasing proxy war with Russia / Nato countries backing different parties until eventually tensions between Saudi, Iran and Israel boil over and the whole region becomes engulfed in an even bigger mess.
 
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/70-killed-550-wounded-attacks-syrias-douma-market-msf-1940531571
with quotes from MSF.

There's other news outlets reporting the same should you wish to check.

Just watched the video in that link, not a single woman or child in sight, all young men.

Its an inexcusable crime if the marketplace had been an intended target, but that particular suburb is almost exclusively occupied by Jaysh al Islam, so its hardly surprising that it was targeted, especially as they'd been directing mortar fire towards central Damascus.

EDIT: Did see one young child right in the end actually.
 
Just watched the video in that link, not a single woman or child in sight, all young men.

Its an inexcusable crime if the marketplace had been an intended target, but that particular suburb is almost exclusively occupied by Jaysh al Islam, so its hardly surprising that it was targeted, especially as they'd been directing mortar fire towards central Damascus.

EDIT: Did see one young child right in the end actually.
and there's a woman at the start.

And it's inexcusable, of course it is. Bombing a market place. They are merchants and tradesmen, they aren't fighters.
 
Very interesting three-part interview with an ISIS defector here, he claims that since the Islamic State's expansion peaked around this time last year, recruitments of foreigners has dried up a bit an the leadership has been encouraging them to stay or return home to launch attacks there. Interview took place before the Paris attacks.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/15/confessions-of-an-isis-spy.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/16/how-isis-picks-its-suicide-bombers.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/inside-isis-torture-brigades.html
 
Amount of heads hacked off for the camera?
UNESCO sites destroyed
I'm not saying he is in any way good but when you make statements like use any metric you want to use then your probably always going to undermine your own argument.
There is always the counter argument of how many people ISIS or whatever they are being called this week has killed etc proportional to the areas / populations they control and perhaps more tellingly the hypothetical how many would they have killed if they had access to an airforce, chemical weapons etc.

I don't foresee any solution in the short term and if anything I see an increasing proxy war with Russia / Nato countries backing different parties until eventually tensions between Saudi, Iran and Israel boil over and the whole region becomes engulfed in an even bigger mess.

Surely Uzz was referring to rebels in Syria, and not IS? And unless I'm mistaken, the rebels in Syria =! IS, even if there might be some overlap here and there.
 
Does ISIS really have nothing to do with Islam? Islamic apologetics carry serious risks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../?postshare=5661447886714901&tid=ss_tw-bottom

Shadi Hamid

Every time the Islamic State commits yet another attack or atrocity, Muslims, particularly Western Muslims, shudder. Attacks like the ones in Paris mean another round of demands that Muslims condemn the acts, as if we should presume guilt, or perhaps some indirect taint.

The impulse to separate Islam from the sins and crimes of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, is understandable, and it often includes statements such as ISIS has “nothing to do with Islam” or that ISIS is merely “using Islam” as a pretext. The sentiment is usually well-intentioned. We live in an age of growing anti-Muslim bigotry, where mainstream politicians now feel license to say things that might have once been unimaginable.

To protect Islam – and, by extension, Muslims – from any association with extremists and extremism is a worthy cause.

But saying something for the right reasons doesn’t necessarily make it right. An overwhelming majority of Muslims oppose ISIS and its ideology. But that’s not quite the same as saying that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, when it very clearly has something to do with it.

If you actually look at ISIS’s approach to governance, it would be difficult – impossible, really – to conclude that it is just making things up as it goes along and then giving it an Islamic luster only after the fact.

It is tempting, for example, to look at the role of former Saddam-era Baathist party officers in the organization’s senior ranks and leap to the conclusion that religion can’t matter all that much. Yet many younger Baathists came up through Saddam Hussein’s late-period Islamization initiative, and, in any case, just because someone starts as a Baathist – or any other kind of secular nationalist – doesn’t mean they can’t, at some later point, “get” religion.

There is a role for Islamic apologetics – if defending Islam rather than analyzing it is your objective. I am a Muslim myself, and it’s impossible for me to believe that a just God could ever sanction the behavior of groups like ISIS.

But if the goal is to understand ISIS, then I, and other analysts who happen to be Muslim, would be better served by cordoning off our personal assumptions and preferences. What Islam should be and what Islam is actually understood to be by Muslims (including extremist Muslims) are very different things.

For scholars of Islamist movements and Islam’s role in politics, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, there should be one overarching objective: to understand and to explain, rather than to make judgments about which interpretations of Islam are correct, or who is or isn’t a “true” Muslim.

In addition to being a Muslim, I am an American, as well as a small-l liberal. I have written about how, even if we personally believe liberalism is the best available ideological framework for ordering society, that should not be allowed to distort our understanding of mainstream Islamist movements such as, say, the Muslim Brotherhood and its analogues across the region.

It makes little sense to compare Islamists to some liberal ideal, when they are a product of very different contexts than our own.

The “is ISIS Islamic?” debate can seem circular and exhausting. But it’s an important one nonetheless. Islamic apologetics lead us down a path of diminishing the role of religion in politics. If the past few years of Middle Eastern turmoil have made anything clear, it’s that, for Islamists of various stripes – mainstream or extremist – religion matters.

Often, religion matters a great deal. It inspires supporters to action; it affects the willingness to die (and, in the case of ISIS, the willingness to kill); it influences strategic calculations and even battlefield decisions. Insisting otherwise isn’t even effective at countering Islamophobia, since, to the unpersuaded, claims that Islam and ISIS are unrelated sound entirely divorced from reality.

Instead, we can and should have a debate – hopefully a nuanced, informed one – about how religious motivations and political context (such as civil wars or governance deficits) interact in the case of ISIS and other religiously influenced movements. It is tough to have that discussion when the starting premise is to disregard the importance of religion as an explanatory factor.

The analytical approach I’m proposing comes with its own risks. Underscoring the power of religion in general, and Islam in particular, may provide fodder for bigots who might latch on to our statements and misuse them for their own ends.

In the end, though, it’s not my job to make Islam look good, or to argue that Islam “is a religion of peace,” when the reality is more complicated. We have to be faithful to our findings and conclusions, even if – or perhaps particularly when – they make us most uncomfortable.
 
As a person who grew up with a muslim minority around me, in Europe, and having childhood friends who are muslim, this puts me in a a very difficult position. I have thought long and hard about it, but I can only come to one conclusion: Let's part ways. Let Europe be our place, and you go back to where you came from.

I am entirely aware of how awful this sounds. And I'm more sad than anybody. I have never voted for any conservative party, I was more liberal than most of you can only imagine. But I have lost trust into those muslems who grew up among us. And I have no idea how that trust can be restored.

I think I almost became an US-Style Neocon. And I do hope we can kill any and every IS-asshole available.

And then, once that is done, hopefully we can put it together again.

So far, I have no idea how any muslim on this planet cannot put down his head and be ashamed of what happened. But I don't see that. They prefer to say: It was just those other people. Has nothing to do with me.

It has.
 
As a person who grew up with a muslim minority around me, in Europe, and having childhood friends who are muslim, this puts me in a a very difficult position. I have thought long and hard about it, but I can only come to one conclusion: Let's part ways. Let Europe be our place, and you go back to where you came from.

I am entirely aware of how awful this sounds. And I'm more sad than anybody. I have never voted for any conservative party, I was more liberal than most of you can only imagine. But I have lost trust into those muslems who grew up among us. And I have no idea how that trust can be restored.

I think I almost became an US-Style Neocon. And I do hope we can kill any and every IS-asshole available.

And then, once that is done, hopefully we can put it together again.

So far, I have no idea how any muslim on this planet cannot put down his head and be ashamed of what happened. But I don't see that. They prefer to say: It was just those other people. Has nothing to do with me.

It has.
that is crazy talk. Muslims are part of the west; to make the distinction you make is already a mistake. Most of those attackers can´t go back anywhere, because they are born and raised in our societies. When those attackers killed people they certainly didn´t distinguish between Muslims and other religions. France (and other European countries) shouldn´t look towards Syria, because those problems won´t be solved over there. They have to be tackled in our own societies on a community level; at least that is where any solution has to start.
 
As a person who grew up with a muslim minority around me, in Europe, and having childhood friends who are muslim, this puts me in a a very difficult position. I have thought long and hard about it, but I can only come to one conclusion: Let's part ways. Let Europe be our place, and you go back to where you came from.

I am entirely aware of how awful this sounds. And I'm more sad than anybody. I have never voted for any conservative party, I was more liberal than most of you can only imagine. But I have lost trust into those muslems who grew up among us. And I have no idea how that trust can be restored.

I think I almost became an US-Style Neocon. And I do hope we can kill any and every IS-asshole available.

And then, once that is done, hopefully we can put it together again.

So far, I have no idea how any muslim on this planet cannot put down his head and be ashamed of what happened. But I don't see that. They prefer to say: It was just those other people. Has nothing to do with me.

It has.

Your 'solution' is the same one as that implemented in 16th century Spain.
 
Not sure where to put this as all the threads in the CE seem to be about ISIS, but how much truth is there to this, caftards?



It basically talks about the Qatar-Turkey pipeline being what the West was interested in as there's resources that could last a country 100 years available, and Assad standing in the way of it happening due to the pipeline having to run through Syria.

I also watched this



And the feeling I'm getting after that, is that it's the Western countries that seem to have started this whole mess, and then Russia came in to further complicate matters. What other reason does the West have to oppose Assad so much? I presume the cnuts at ISIS then came in taking this opportunity of a fractured state to make a name for themselves.
 
As a person who grew up with a muslim minority around me, in Europe, and having childhood friends who are muslim, this puts me in a a very difficult position. I have thought long and hard about it, but I can only come to one conclusion: Let's part ways. Let Europe be our place, and you go back to where you came from.

I am entirely aware of how awful this sounds. And I'm more sad than anybody. I have never voted for any conservative party, I was more liberal than most of you can only imagine. But I have lost trust into those muslims who grew up among us. And I have no idea how that trust can be restored.

I think I almost became an US-Style Neocon. And I do hope we can kill any and every IS-asshole available.

And then, once that is done, hopefully we can put it together again.

So far, I have no idea how any muslim on this planet cannot put down his head and be ashamed of what happened. But I don't see that. They prefer to say: It was just those other people. Has nothing to do with me.

It has.

This makes me very sad, I could not imagine my world without my muslim friends. I said after 9/11, with the media's negative narrative towards Islam, that they would divide us and further alienate the muslim community, and they have succeeded. This was before the Isis concept was in swing. Shame on our government, and shame on so many people who I personally grew up with , who shared the same fantastic experiences growing up with our Pakistani/ Mauritian/Iranian friends, who have now decided that they are enemy.
 
As a person who grew up with a muslim minority around me, in Europe, and having childhood friends who are muslim, this puts me in a a very difficult position. I have thought long and hard about it, but I can only come to one conclusion: Let's part ways. Let Europe be our place, and you go back to where you came from.

I am entirely aware of how awful this sounds. And I'm more sad than anybody. I have never voted for any conservative party, I was more liberal than most of you can only imagine. But I have lost trust into those muslems who grew up among us. And I have no idea how that trust can be restored.

I think I almost became an US-Style Neocon. And I do hope we can kill any and every IS-asshole available.

And then, once that is done, hopefully we can put it together again.

So far, I have no idea how any muslim on this planet cannot put down his head and be ashamed of what happened. But I don't see that. They prefer to say: It was just those other people. Has nothing to do with me.

It has.
They're not preferring to say that, they're stating facts. It has nothing to do with them. Unless you think we should punch you in the face for crimes committed by other people from your nationality/colour/religion.

What a strange outlook on things, made none the more sensible by "growing up with Muslims".
 
They're not preferring to say that, they're stating facts. It has nothing to do with them. Unless you think we should punch you in the face for crimes committed by other people from your nationality/colour/religion.

What a strange outlook on things, made none the more sensible by "growing up with Muslims".

It's a valid opinion to be fair. He had Muslim friends when he was a kid.
 
It's a valid opinion to be fair. He had Muslim friends when he was a kid.
Good for him and his friends. How is it valid? What does ISIS have to do with his muslim friends?

"Has nothing to do with me" is the absolute correct response to whatever ridiculous question he put to them.
 
They're not preferring to say that, they're stating facts. It has nothing to do with them. Unless you think we should punch you in the face for crimes committed by other people from your nationality/colour/religion.

What a strange outlook on things, made none the more sensible by "growing up with Muslims".
This!
 
that is crazy talk. Muslims are part of the west; to make the distinction you make is already a mistake. Most of those attackers can´t go back anywhere, because they are born and raised in our societies. When those attackers killed people they certainly didn´t distinguish between Muslims and other religions. France (and other European countries) shouldn´t look towards Syria, because those problems won´t be solved over there. They have to be tackled in our own societies on a community level; at least that is where any solution has to start.

yes part of the west but that does not mean that its compatible with the west . the west had a religious revolution/reform and is hundreds of years ahead . its obvious that muslims take and live by the sensible and reasonable part of the quaran and dont contemplate which infidel woman is eligible for rape, but the general image if the islam is not this . it needs a reform to be compatible with the modern society .
 
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Good for him and his friends. How is it valid? What does ISIS have to do with his muslim friends?

"Has nothing to do with me" is the absolute correct response to whatever ridiculous question he put to them.

Sorry forgot the [/sarcasm] tags.