Blair is sorry. Still waiting for George's apology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...SIS-astonishing-apology-TV-show.html#comments
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...SIS-astonishing-apology-TV-show.html#comments
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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Blair is still blaming others. He, together with Bush and his sidekicks have been responsible for about a Million people, and destroyed states. They are also directly responsible for the creation of ISIS. Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney and others should be judged with the worst of human beings of this century.
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Ah come on.
Blair and Bush did some hugely cnuty things(Although I do think it's to simplistic to label Bush and Blair as evil men as they did some good things,mostly Blair mind)but to pin the blame on them for the rise of ISIS is extremely harsh. There's a ton of reasons to why ISIS took rise a few very broad reasons being
.Saudi Arabia constantly pumping out this shite across the world
.The general shittyness of the Iraqi government
.Islam the religion itself
.The general shittyness of the leaders close to Iraq and Syria to act(Turkey seems quite happy to let people cross the border to join ISIS)
.And ISIS themselves, not matter how shitty the West has treated the Middle East(And boy has the West being shitty) it really doesn't excuse the behaviour of ISIS. Nor does explain why ISIS behave this way, how throwing homosexuals off buildings, drowning people in a cages or chopping the heads of aid workers(One of the aid workers was from Japan a country that had nothing to do with the invasion)has anything to do with the 2003 invasion beats me.
We are also not factoring other similar ''ISIS'' types of extremism in places like Africa where there was no invasion and that's it's arguably the place where Bush and Blair did their best work.
The invasion helped no one in the end but(For me at least) it's far from the root cause.
@Sweet Square
Tony Blair Bears 'Total Responsibility' For Isis, Says Academic Who Advised Him On Iraq
By Mehdi Hasan
June 18, 2014 "ICH" - "HP" - There is "absolutely" a link between the invasion of Iraq and the rise of terror group Isis, for which Tony Blair bears "total responsibility", says a leading academic who advised the then prime minister in the run-up to the war.
Speaking exclusively to The Huffington Post UK, Professor George Joffe of Cambridge University said Tony Blair had a "shallow mind" and had refused to heed his warnings of post-war chaos and sectarianism in Iraq.
In November 2002, Joffe was one of three Iraq experts invited into Downing Street to brief Blair on the potential fallout from an Anglo-American attack on Baghdad.
"We were not allowed to talk about whether or not it was a good idea to invade, but only about what the aftermath would be," he told HuffPost UK, adding: "It was clear that the decision had already been made.. to invade Iraq”.
Joffe says Blair wasn't interested in listening. In response to warnings from the Cambridge academic and the two other Iraq experts, Dr Toby Dodge and Dr Charles Tripp, that the country could descend into civil war and a Sunni-led insurgency, Blair merely responded, in reference to Saddam Hussein, "But the man's evil, isn't he?"
According to Joffe, Blair "personalised" the whole issue in the form of Hussein and thus "the whole structure of Iraq was utterly irrelevant.. It was very two-dimensional.
On Sunday, Blair denied he was to blame for the Isis takeover of huge swathes of Iraq, including the country's second biggest city, Mosul. He wrote on his website: "We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this. We haven't." In a later interview with BBC1's Andrew Marr show, the former prime minister would only admit to having “underestimated” the "depth and the complexity of the problem".
Joffe says he told Blair in Downing Street in 2002 that if he was going to invade Iraq he "had to be aware that you might remove Saddam but you left behind a whole structure of power.. of people who would resent being displaced, disadvantaged and would react."
Blair, he recalls, "was completely uninterested in any of these complexities... he said virtually nothing for an hour and a half [and] we had the sense we were talking to a stone wall."
Asked if a line could be drawn between the decision to invade and occupy Iraq in March 2003 and the current Isis-led insurgency against the Nouri al-Maliki government in Baghdad, Joffe replied: "Absolutely."
Joffe says Blair and George W. Bush bear "total responsibility" for the current situation, including the disastrous decision to disband the Iraqi army in May 2003.
The former prime minister's most recent comments, Joffe added, "show an inability to understand politics and geopolitics. They're shameful."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html
Tony Blair Bears 'Total Responsibility' For Isis, Says Academic Who Advised Him On Iraq
By Mehdi Hasan
June 18, 2014 "ICH" - "HP" - There is "absolutely" a link between the invasion of Iraq and the rise of terror group Isis, for which Tony Blair bears "total responsibility", says a leading academic who advised the then prime minister in the run-up to the war.
Speaking exclusively to The Huffington Post UK, Professor George Joffe of Cambridge University said Tony Blair had a "shallow mind" and had refused to heed his warnings of post-war chaos and sectarianism in Iraq.
In November 2002, Joffe was one of three Iraq experts invited into Downing Street to brief Blair on the potential fallout from an Anglo-American attack on Baghdad.
"We were not allowed to talk about whether or not it was a good idea to invade, but only about what the aftermath would be," he told HuffPost UK, adding: "It was clear that the decision had already been made.. to invade Iraq”.
Joffe says Blair wasn't interested in listening. In response to warnings from the Cambridge academic and the two other Iraq experts, Dr Toby Dodge and Dr Charles Tripp, that the country could descend into civil war and a Sunni-led insurgency, Blair merely responded, in reference to Saddam Hussein, "But the man's evil, isn't he?"
According to Joffe, Blair "personalised" the whole issue in the form of Hussein and thus "the whole structure of Iraq was utterly irrelevant.. It was very two-dimensional.
On Sunday, Blair denied he was to blame for the Isis takeover of huge swathes of Iraq, including the country's second biggest city, Mosul. He wrote on his website: "We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this. We haven't." In a later interview with BBC1's Andrew Marr show, the former prime minister would only admit to having “underestimated” the "depth and the complexity of the problem".
Joffe says he told Blair in Downing Street in 2002 that if he was going to invade Iraq he "had to be aware that you might remove Saddam but you left behind a whole structure of power.. of people who would resent being displaced, disadvantaged and would react."
Blair, he recalls, "was completely uninterested in any of these complexities... he said virtually nothing for an hour and a half [and] we had the sense we were talking to a stone wall."
Asked if a line could be drawn between the decision to invade and occupy Iraq in March 2003 and the current Isis-led insurgency against the Nouri al-Maliki government in Baghdad, Joffe replied: "Absolutely."
Joffe says Blair and George W. Bush bear "total responsibility" for the current situation, including the disastrous decision to disband the Iraqi army in May 2003.
The former prime minister's most recent comments, Joffe added, "show an inability to understand politics and geopolitics. They're shameful."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html
There was no IS in Iraq prior to invasion. It's the combination of invasion, killings and secterian nature of puppet government that made IS exist in first place.
@Sultan
Cheers. I'll give it a read and write a reply back a bit later(Just about to leave the house).
Cheers. I'll give it a read and write a reply back a bit later(Just about to leave the house).
Hardly surprising Blair is in denial. He's having to live with his decisions which have lead to the deaths of a million people. His part in the policies and it's effects have not yet concluded. The country and the wider region has been plunged into chaos from which it still suffers deaths, divisions, and the refugee crisis to name a few.
Coalition (death cult) of the willing
Coalition (death cult) of the willing
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Bush, Blair and their cronies are war criminals. They should be tried for their crime at Hague.
This is something that would happen in India. I am surprised there is not more outrage in UK over this.
Blair can not help himself, even when apologizing he is lying.
There was no misleading intelligent, it was fabricated intelligence. A very big difference.
To even half justify his war crimes by using the phrase "elements of truth" is completely disgusting.
There was no misleading intelligent, it was fabricated intelligence. A very big difference.
To even half justify his war crimes by using the phrase "elements of truth" is completely disgusting.
The west doesn't give a flying feck. The report would have been ready if it was regarding some other country not aligned to the west.
Not only was it fabricated, he most likely knew it was fabricated.
Blair is one of the worst. The way that he is making money after leaving office is disgusting. Cynical bastard.
Blair is the one person I genuinely would have no sympathy for if I saw him in the orange jump suit. Slimey war criminal.
That's bs. The ideology, the people were already in Iraq (actually Saddam himself did try actively to promote the Wahhabi ideology in the last few years). ISIS and Al-Qaeda didn't arise because of those reasons, it's the natural result of the ideology Saudi Arabia promotes. Thousands of ISIS fighters come from European countries, where Saudi Arabia is also pumping a lot of money to bread Wahhabism. There are no invasions or "sectarian governments" there.
However, the actions of the US is creating the perfect vacuum for that ideology to seize control and force more areas to be just like Saudi Arabia ("a democracy"), and they're supporting them at times to achieve their political goals, which leads in the long term to terrible outcomes.
As for the "sectarian government" leading to ISIS, carbombs and mass killings against Shia never stopped in Iraq and started from day 1 after the fall of Saddam Hussein. It's also been happening for many many years in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, ... pretty much everywhere in the world where Wahhabism exists.
Delta Force / Peshmerga raid on ISIS prison.
The 'debaathification' of Iraq led to the rise of the Islamic State. The fecking retards that drew up post Saddam Iraq, and thought, 'we must get rid of everyone and everything to do with Saddam and the establishment' are to blame.
Ex Saddam generals and loyalists formed Naqshbandi Army and it helped ISIS do what AQ and other groups couldn't and didn't do...gain military victories where the prize was not bodies, but land...and large swathes of it.
Funny thing...Baathists and ISIS should be anything but allies, but the cnuts have even managed to get 'secular socialists' and 'wahhabists' to get along lol
Ex Saddam generals and loyalists formed Naqshbandi Army and it helped ISIS do what AQ and other groups couldn't and didn't do...gain military victories where the prize was not bodies, but land...and large swathes of it.
Funny thing...Baathists and ISIS should be anything but allies, but the cnuts have even managed to get 'secular socialists' and 'wahhabists' to get along lol
I like how when outsiders point out how horrible and atrocious ISIS and the like minded groups are, they always point out the peripheral or fringe issues - homosexuals/aid workers.
For every foreigner ISIS has killed, they've killed 10 muslims. For every homosexual, they've killed 20 straight people.
I know it wasn't your intention and you were highlighting the indiscriminate nature of their barbarity, but without the mention of the biggest victims - muslims themselves, the message is incomplete.
Dead muslims won't change anyone's sympathy.
You'e right. But tbf, Muslims don't give a feck about dead muslims, why would anyone else lol.
Exactly bro!
Muslims are the biggest cause behind dead Muslims anyhow.
The problems started to happen when the Baathists were actually returned to their positions in the last few years, especially to the army.
IS 'blows up Palmyra columns to kill three captives'
Islamic State militants have killed three captives in Syria's ancient city of Palmyra by tying them to columns and blowing them up, activists say.
The identities of those reportedly killed on Sunday have yet to be given.
But they are thought to be the first to have been killed in that way since the jihadist group seized the ruins in May.
IS has destroyed two 2,000-year-old temples, an arch and funerary towers at Palmyra, one of the most important cultural centres of the ancient world.
The group believes that such structures are idolatrous. The UN cultural agency, Unesco, has condemned the destruction as a war crime.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based group that monitors the conflict in Syria, cited local sources in Palmyra as saying that on Sunday IS militants tied three detainees to Roman-era columns and then blew up the structures with explosives.
An activist from Palmyra, Khaled al-Homsi, said IS had yet to tell locals the identities of the three individuals or say why they had been killed.
"There was no-one there to see [the execution]. The columns were destroyed and IS has prevented anyone from heading to the site," he told the AFP news agency.
Another activist, Mohammed al-Ayed, said IS was "doing this for the media attention".
After overrunning the ruins of Palmyra and the adjoining modern town, also known as Tadmur, IS militants used the ancient theatre for the killing of 25 Syrian soldiers.
They also beheaded archaeologist Khaled al-Asaad, who looked after ruins for 40 years, after he reportedly refused to reveal where artefacts had been hidden.
Earlier this week, IS posted images online purportedly showing militants driving a tank over a captured soldier, who it alleged had himself driven over militants.
Islamic State militants have killed three captives in Syria's ancient city of Palmyra by tying them to columns and blowing them up, activists say.
The identities of those reportedly killed on Sunday have yet to be given.
But they are thought to be the first to have been killed in that way since the jihadist group seized the ruins in May.
IS has destroyed two 2,000-year-old temples, an arch and funerary towers at Palmyra, one of the most important cultural centres of the ancient world.
The group believes that such structures are idolatrous. The UN cultural agency, Unesco, has condemned the destruction as a war crime.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based group that monitors the conflict in Syria, cited local sources in Palmyra as saying that on Sunday IS militants tied three detainees to Roman-era columns and then blew up the structures with explosives.
An activist from Palmyra, Khaled al-Homsi, said IS had yet to tell locals the identities of the three individuals or say why they had been killed.
"There was no-one there to see [the execution]. The columns were destroyed and IS has prevented anyone from heading to the site," he told the AFP news agency.
Another activist, Mohammed al-Ayed, said IS was "doing this for the media attention".
After overrunning the ruins of Palmyra and the adjoining modern town, also known as Tadmur, IS militants used the ancient theatre for the killing of 25 Syrian soldiers.
They also beheaded archaeologist Khaled al-Asaad, who looked after ruins for 40 years, after he reportedly refused to reveal where artefacts had been hidden.
Earlier this week, IS posted images online purportedly showing militants driving a tank over a captured soldier, who it alleged had himself driven over militants.
Despite de-ba'athification, many of the Iraqi officers I encountered continued to work at the MoD during the 2000s; including members of both sects. I visited the MoD in Baghdad a few times and the sentiment was quite obvious. One foot in the present, one in the past.
Indeed. De-ba'athification was never really applied in Iraq, most Ba'athists who wanted to work continued to work anyway, but in the last few years many high ranked Ba'athists were returned to very sensitive positions in the army and the security forces, which made the problems actually worse, because the army and the security forces were fully infiltrated by anti-government personnel.
Saudi prince arrested over two tonnes of amphetamines being loaded on his private jet after Lebanese officials foil the biggest drug smuggling attempt in its history
A Saudi prince has been arrested after two tonnes of amphetamines were seized before they were due to be loaded onto his private jet in Lebanon, it has been revealed.
Lebanese officials say they have foiled one of the biggest drug smuggling attempts in the country's history after the haul of pills was found at Beirut airport.
Saudi prince Abdel Mohsen Bin Walid Bin Abdulaziz and four others were detained while allegedly 'attempting to smuggle about two tons of pills and some cocaine,' a security source said.
The banned drug involved is consumed mainly in the Middle East and has reportedly been widely used by fighters in Syria.
The security source said the drugs had been packed into cases that were waiting to be loaded onto a private plane that was headed to Saudi Arabia.
The five Saudi citizens were still in the airport and would be questioned by Lebanon's customs authority, the source added.
In April 2014, security forces foiled an attempt to smuggle 15 million capsules of Captagon hidden in shipping containers full of corn from Beirut's port.
Lebanon's state news agency also reported Monday's drug bust, saying the private plane was to head to Riyadh and was carrying 40 suitcases full of pills.
The U.N. Office of Drugs and Crime said in a 2014 report that the amphetamine market is on the rise in the Middle East.
There have been busts mostly in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria accounting for more than 55 percent of amphetamines seized worldwide.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-biggest-drug-smuggling-attempt-history.html
A Saudi prince has been arrested after two tonnes of amphetamines were seized before they were due to be loaded onto his private jet in Lebanon, it has been revealed.
Lebanese officials say they have foiled one of the biggest drug smuggling attempts in the country's history after the haul of pills was found at Beirut airport.
Saudi prince Abdel Mohsen Bin Walid Bin Abdulaziz and four others were detained while allegedly 'attempting to smuggle about two tons of pills and some cocaine,' a security source said.
The banned drug involved is consumed mainly in the Middle East and has reportedly been widely used by fighters in Syria.
The security source said the drugs had been packed into cases that were waiting to be loaded onto a private plane that was headed to Saudi Arabia.
The five Saudi citizens were still in the airport and would be questioned by Lebanon's customs authority, the source added.
In April 2014, security forces foiled an attempt to smuggle 15 million capsules of Captagon hidden in shipping containers full of corn from Beirut's port.
Lebanon's state news agency also reported Monday's drug bust, saying the private plane was to head to Riyadh and was carrying 40 suitcases full of pills.
The U.N. Office of Drugs and Crime said in a 2014 report that the amphetamine market is on the rise in the Middle East.
There have been busts mostly in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria accounting for more than 55 percent of amphetamines seized worldwide.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-biggest-drug-smuggling-attempt-history.html
hmmmmmmm
Erdogan says Turkey may hit U.S.-backed Syrian Kurds to block advance.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/28/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-kurds-idUSKCN0SM2V620151028
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/28/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-kurds-idUSKCN0SM2V620151028
it appears young 'Chloe' has something else on her mind....
Saudi-backed Jaysh al-Islam stick Alawite soldiers and their families in cages to use as human shields in visibly devastated East Ghouta:
So, American troops on the ground and Russian planes bombing from above. If half a dozen are killed (and I hope not) then just pray America doesn't over-react.
Let's hope everyone gets out those dusty Cold War lesson books on how to antagonize but not end human life in the process.
Here is an alleged instance of a besieged pro-regime village using the same tactic, seems to be a thing in this war:
Not ISIS related...but a charlatan and war mongerer is dead and it's a death all of Iraq will rejoice in...
Ahmed chalabi died today from a heart attack.
Best of all, he died a nobody
Ahmed chalabi died today from a heart attack.
Best of all, he died a nobody
I've heard of him, wasn't he friendly with the Bush's?
Friendly??? Hehe...
He thought he was going to be the new Iraqi leader and the Bush team presented him as the voice of dissident Iraq.
He played a huge part in the lies with regards to weapons of mass destruction.
For a few years he was a real favorite. He was a cnut of the highest order - and that's saying something in that region.
He thought he was going to be the new Iraqi leader and the Bush team presented him as the voice of dissident Iraq.
He played a huge part in the lies with regards to weapons of mass destruction.
For a few years he was a real favorite. He was a cnut of the highest order - and that's saying something in that region.
Depressingly enough there was some recent media talk that he was about to mount a political comeback.
That's the thing with these some of these 'leaders' our govts in the west want to champion...be they Chalabi or some Iranian - a lot of these people have not set foot in their own countries for decades and those in the trenches know nothing about them. They have ZERO credibility.
But, they are well connected and get their faces in the media...yet, as we saw with someone like Chalabi, when the shit goes down, absolutely no one wants them.
In Syria, New U.S.-Backed Alliance Exists in Name Only.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/w...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/w...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news