Its better he's in Syria than in the UK.
He'll probably be killed within a few months anyway, hopefully one of those Russian Sortes takes care of him.
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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Its better he's in Syria than in the UK.
He'll probably be killed within a few months anyway, hopefully one of those Russian Sortes takes care of him.
Is that the guy who had a set of human rights activists lobbying for his recent release?
Excellent.
Isis seizes ground from Aleppo rebels under cover of Russian airstrikes
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo
Isis seizes ground from Aleppo rebels under cover of Russian airstrikes
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo
Let's hope they finally nailed him this time....
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...di-convoy-hit-air-strike-151011124042177.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...di-convoy-hit-air-strike-151011124042177.html
I bet they too think that Putin is a gift from god.
Indeed.Its not going to make a difference to Russia and Assad as to who holds the territory as it stands (assuming its not SAA soldiers of course).
Also, unfortunately not this time it seems
Took out a few of his commanders though, so that ought to stir a bit of a chaos within their ranks.
So after a year of bombardment of ISIS and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on arming and training 'moderate' opposition you've got absolutely nothing to show for it. Who and what have you been hitting this whole time? Apart from the hospitals and wedding parties, that is?
In fairness US strikes were key to holding Kobane and saving the Yazidis (I think? I was away when that was happening).
In any case, ISIS aren't going to be defeated by air strikes.
You're supposed be going after Terrorists, not allowing them to advance on your boy Assad. Time to fire off a few more Cruise missiles from the Caspian. Let's hope they don't land in Uzbekistan.
What about the US backed 'moderate' rebels? It seems that they're no match to ISIS and other radicals, even with all the outside assistance. ISIS don't have air support, they do, but apparently that doesn't make any difference. Americans once again bet on the wrong people and now everyone's paying for it.
Yes agreed - trouble is, the Russians are softening up the rebels and ISIS are now moving into their areas. A Russian ground invasion would be needed to protect Assad imo, as they're not going to get it done with these feel good airstrikes that are probably wiping out loads of civilians in the process.
Well they're fighting with the 'other radicals' - e.g. they've just captured a strategic hill on the Golan Heights in a joint operation with Jabhat al-Nusra. I think it's safe to assume JAN wears the pants in that relationship.
You're supposed be going after Terrorists, not allowing them to advance on your boy Assad. Time to fire off a few more Cruise missiles from the Caspian. Let's hope they don't land in Uzbekistan.
Russians are there by request of the legitimate government and president, they know what side they're on and act accordingly. It's simple really: you're either with us or against us, they're not going to waste time trying to figure how 'moderate' he is or who armed and sent in another 'freedom fighter' that gets in the way.
All Americans do is create chaos everywhere they go. A whole year of airstrikes and things are worse now than when they started. It's embarrassing, really. All they've got left is a CNN cooked up propaganda piece about Russian missiles ending up in Iran, a lame attempt to divert public attention from their own failures.
There is no legitimate government there - in case you haven't heard there's been a civil war going on for the past 5 years and the dictator who previously ran all of Syria is now down to a small piece of land in the West, with rebels and now thanks to Putin, ISIS, closing in on him. We'll wait for the next round of airstrikes to see how this turns out.
From the US playbook in a million places, most prominently South Vietnam.
From GWB's personal highlights.
The terrorists didn't advance because of the airstrikes, they just substituted one type of terrorists with another type of terrorists. Doesn't make much of a difference.You're supposed be going after Terrorists, not allowing them to advance on your boy Assad. Time to fire off a few more Cruise missiles from the Caspian. Let's hope they don't land in Uzbekistan.
Since the Russian bombardments the terrorists haven't made any gains in Syria.
What I meant was, Russians picked a side and a strategy and are sticking to it. If you want to play games, you can join US led coalition and spend another decade trying to figure who's more of a moderate rebel and who's more of a religious fanatic while the rest of the country either gets annihilated or flees.
I don't recall Iraqi government asking GWB to invade their country and overthrow them.
No legitimate government thanks to Assad, who sent his henchmen to murder the protesters in Dara'a, which created the series of knock on effects that led us to today.
Heavy handed police clampdown leads to foreign nations funding Islamist groups to help topple government and establish Sharia state.
Sounds legit.
Certainly help moderate factions, which is a legitimate moral position to take given the dictator on one side and ISIS on the other. Even though it didn't work out, it's preposterous to link it to fueling the civil war since those people would be fighting Assad with or without western support. Another reason why there will not be peace until both he and ISIS are gone.
Based on this definition there is pretty much no legitimate government in the Middle East, least of all Saudi Arabia, your best ally in the region after Israel.
There is a legitimate government there, it's the same government that represents Syria in the UN, in case you forgot.
There is barely a government there, just a dictator and a group of loyalists who are nearing the end. He will eventually go irrespective of the Russian propping up.
Everyone can now carry a "I'm with Stupid" board while pointing it at Putin now.
That part reminds me of Al Pacino in Glegarry Glen Ross when he gave that reprimand to Kevin Spacey's character: What you're hired for is to help us. Does that seem clear to you? TO HELP US! NOT TO FECK US UP!
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The 'legitimate' government lost its legitimacy when it began to destroy the Syrian people.
This is getting old.
If he was just a dictator with a group of loyalists he would have been wiped out of the map 4 years ago. He has big support from the Syrian people irrespective of what US propaganda says. He won't go and leave the country in the hands of US funded terrorists certainly not after what happened in Lybia, a country that NATO destroyed to its very foundations.
Where will these ammo end up?
If this report is accurate, "probably 60 to 80 percent" will end up with Jabhat al-Nusra - https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c70522-6f20-11e5-91eb-27ad15c2b723_story.html
This article from the NYT last December suggests that even if these arms and ammo aren't used directly by Nusra, they will be used in their service - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/world/as-syrias-revolution-sputters-a-chaotic-stalemate.html
"reports and images from the operation make two things clear: antitank missiles were used, and Nusra claimed the victory. That means that the American-backed fighters could advance only by working with the Nusra Front, which the United States government lists as a terrorist group, or that they have lost the weapons to the Nusra fighters, effectively joined the group or been forced to follow its orders.
One commander of a group that received antitank missiles said that some F.S.A. fighters were forced to operate them in the battle on behalf of the Nusra Front, which had captured them from American-backed groups — a turn of events that he worried would lead the United States to cut off support.
He bitterly likened the F.S.A. to prostitutes, speaking on the condition of anonymity to avoid alienating American officials. “If I wear Arabic dress and let my beard grow, the West will hate me and Nusra will love me, and vice versa. We are kissing everyone’s rear to get support.”
Abu Kumayt, a fighter with the Syrian Revolutionaries Front who said he fought in the battle under cover, gave a slightly different version. He said that groups with the antitank missiles fought alongside Nusra fighters and under their command — but that only Nusra and its Islamist ally Ahrar al-Sham were allowed to enter the base when it fell. Nusra, he said, lets groups vetted by the United States keep the appearance of independence, so that they will continue to receive American supplies.
His group’s commander, Jamal Maarouf, has been unable to enter Syria since his fighters were driven from their base in Idlib Province this fall. In his house in Reyhanli, near Antakya, he blamed anemic Western support and a mistake that he and other fighters made: They initially welcomed Nusra’s foreign jihadists, believing that they would help bring victory.
“No F.S.A. faction in the north can operate without Nusra’s approval,” Mr. Maarouf said, adding that the front had either bought or terrorized F.S.A. fighters into compliance. “Nusra cannot cover every area so they still need them. But once they take control, they will confiscate all weapons or oblige those factions to pledge allegiance.”
One commander of a group that received antitank missiles said that some F.S.A. fighters were forced to operate them in the battle on behalf of the Nusra Front, which had captured them from American-backed groups — a turn of events that he worried would lead the United States to cut off support.
He bitterly likened the F.S.A. to prostitutes, speaking on the condition of anonymity to avoid alienating American officials. “If I wear Arabic dress and let my beard grow, the West will hate me and Nusra will love me, and vice versa. We are kissing everyone’s rear to get support.”
Abu Kumayt, a fighter with the Syrian Revolutionaries Front who said he fought in the battle under cover, gave a slightly different version. He said that groups with the antitank missiles fought alongside Nusra fighters and under their command — but that only Nusra and its Islamist ally Ahrar al-Sham were allowed to enter the base when it fell. Nusra, he said, lets groups vetted by the United States keep the appearance of independence, so that they will continue to receive American supplies.
His group’s commander, Jamal Maarouf, has been unable to enter Syria since his fighters were driven from their base in Idlib Province this fall. In his house in Reyhanli, near Antakya, he blamed anemic Western support and a mistake that he and other fighters made: They initially welcomed Nusra’s foreign jihadists, believing that they would help bring victory.
“No F.S.A. faction in the north can operate without Nusra’s approval,” Mr. Maarouf said, adding that the front had either bought or terrorized F.S.A. fighters into compliance. “Nusra cannot cover every area so they still need them. But once they take control, they will confiscate all weapons or oblige those factions to pledge allegiance.”
It was clearly marked 'FOR MODERATE OPPOSITION ONLY', so there shouldn't be any problems.
Vice has an insider's look at Jabhat al-Nusra coming soon:
Looks very similar to Hamas summer schools, only that the kids in the video look nicer. Cute future suicide bombers.
Oh the time some has wasted here to try to argue that the US has changed and they don't support/hire terrorists anymore to achieve their political goals...
Oh the time some has wasted here to try to argue that the US has changed and they don't support/hire terrorists anymore to achieve their political goals...
I dont think anyone believes that, even the ones to claim it in the first place.
Well look on the bright side, at least the ammo will end up fighting Assad.
I guess we should make an "Obama and the US in Syria" thread.