Yet to see any official confirmation that it actually happened. The CNN report cites two unnamed US officials speaking on condition of anonymity. For all we know, that could have been Raoul and Sir Matt calling the station.
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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Or else it could be Russian incompetence at attempting to impress people by firing missiles from a ship. I'm willing to bet that's what happened, which of course will be covered up by the Russian propaganda machine to make Putin look less incompetent.
Maybe they had a few too many missiles and their planes and ships needed target practice?
A few million more bombs and they might get as good as the Laos-trained Americans. Or maybe they will create an Iranian Khmer Rouge?
A few million more bombs and they might get as good as the Laos-trained Americans. Or maybe they will create an Iranian Khmer Rouge?
They didn't get enough practice bombing their own people?
The whole 1991 Gulf War sure didn't stop George Bush from getting his ass kicked in the presidential election of the year after because he was just incompetent, that's a fact. Putin will pay for his own incompetence in one way or another.
He lost because the economy tanked and he raised taxes after saying he wouldn't. Given the end of the Cold War and economic downturn, it was obviously going to be a domestic-centric election. Just like 2012.
There's a world record out there waiting to be broken, I'm sure they'll do their best. Or not die trying.
Yep, it was undoubtedly a farcical attempt at projecting that they are on par with the US in terms of launching remotely from ships. Still a ways to go Vlad.
Could have been worse I suppose, like hitting a hospital.
How imaginative.
Its just a bit rich to be clutching at one Russian stray cruise missile when you can make a drinking game out of number of times the US mentions 'collateral damage'.
The two are unrelated except in the alternate Universe in which you dwell.
Why are they unrelated? Presumably we're talking about missiles not reaching their intended target, unless you're insinuating that the Yanks were intending to blow up that hospital?
They're only relevant because both are in the news. Beyond that there are no similarities.
Unless by similar you wanted to be pedantic and link it to a specific example of the US landing one of its missiles in Iran, this would otherwise be an obvious comparison.
Not sure what you're on about. The Russians launched cruise missiles towards western Syria which landed somewhere in rural Iran, while Americans used planes to hit an urban area. The two examples are light years apart unless you're desperate to find two disparate events as fodder to participate in a web discussion. Otherwise they are utterly unrelated and incomparable.
The Russians should side with Israel and not Syria if they want to improve their technology
So no proof yet then? Anything? I'd imagine we'd have seen something by now.
I agree with Raoul. A more obvious comparison would be the US missile that hit Sofia during NATO's pounding of Belgrade.
http://m.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Ir...6M0RFNTI0QkRFMEU3OTYxNEJEQjQ0NDRBQjMwQkUxQ0Y=
Looks like the Iranians are taking some beating in Syria. If generals are also killed there it seems only a matter of time before the Russians take some hits too.
Looks like the Iranians are taking some beating in Syria. If generals are also killed there it seems only a matter of time before the Russians take some hits too.
The Obama administration has ended the Pentagon’s $500 million program to train and equip Syrian rebels, administration
officials said on Friday, in an acknowledgment that the beleaguered effort had
failed to produce any kind of ground combat forces capable of taking on the Islamic State in Syria.
The Central Intelligence Agency runs a separate program to train and arm selected groups, many of which are now
battling Syrian army units backed by Russian air power.
The shift in strategy comes amid a huge deployment of force by Russia in support of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, who has clung to power since the civil war began in 2011. Russian warplanes have conducted scores of airstrikes, and Moscow has
fired a barrage of cruise missiles at targets in
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/w...-program-islamic-state-syria.html?smid=tw-bna
officials said on Friday, in an acknowledgment that the beleaguered effort had
failed to produce any kind of ground combat forces capable of taking on the Islamic State in Syria.
The Central Intelligence Agency runs a separate program to train and arm selected groups, many of which are now
battling Syrian army units backed by Russian air power.
The shift in strategy comes amid a huge deployment of force by Russia in support of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, who has clung to power since the civil war began in 2011. Russian warplanes have conducted scores of airstrikes, and Moscow has
fired a barrage of cruise missiles at targets in
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/w...-program-islamic-state-syria.html?smid=tw-bna
http://arstechnica.com/information-...cruise-missiles-fell-short-of-syria-hit-iran/
An Azerbaijani news agency reported a crash of a "UFO" in the area of Iran between the Caspian and Iraq, which is probably within 50 miles of the border with Azerbaijan.
Hardly surprising now considering their investment either ends up in the hands of extremists, or gets blown to pieces by the Russians.
If the Yanks wants to help, then they should take up the Russian offer of sharing ISIS locations and coordinating air strikes. Or helping the militias in Iraq take back Ramadi as we speak.
'However, an article posted on a Azerbaijani news site claimed that a "UFO" crashed and exploded on Wednesday in Qiz Qapan, a village in Iran's West Azerbaijan Province on the border with Iraq. The explosion caused by the crash, the report from Oyan News claims, broke windows in twelve housing units, and cracked the walls of some older building s in the village. Two people were injured by shattering glass, and four sheep were later found to have been killed. The local report said that Iranian government officials claimed that the incident was a drone crash.'
It's an excellent money saving decision
Impossible. Opposite US/Russian Agendas.
I don't see where the option of sending troops in Iraq is opposite to US agenda. If the US want to keep that country in their own circle of influence, it's not too much asked to unleash hell from closer range after the Iraqis royally wasted their chance to build their own new society.
After their previous one was destroyed and almost irreversibly destabilised. Gotta admire the arrogance.
Drop the bullshit, will ya? If humans know how to organize themselves, they will build societies that will last. Unfortunately, the Iraqis look more like children who can't grow any sense of self-determination nor grow themselves into men with the maturity that goes with it. If I dare to extend that metaphor, I can say that for a huge chunk of the Middle-East. If I'm wrong, then tell me why many of the countries in the region are not able to understand how a democratic society works.
I watch the country with the biggest Muslim population, Indonesia, holding its ground well so far with an infant democracy, and I doubt the people over there would trade it for any of the crap they endured with the old dictatorial governments they had since their independence.
The gracious killing of thousands of people and bombing your country back into the Stone Age makes for an ideal start into building a new society. You only have yourselves to blame. Opportunity won't come knocking a third time.
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And considering how many countries made full use of the rare opportunities they had to build something that lasts, those who don't better not blame others for their misfortunes.
You never know...
What on earth are you on about?
True.
Bollocks. People in the middle east will happily accept and embrace 'democracy society'.
If you don't catch my drift, then I see little use trying to draw a picture for you.
The first sentence was a continuation of what I wrote about Iraq. I just meant that the situation is quite similar in a number of other Middle East countries and that it is so difficult to build viable democracies. Sometimes, I compare many inhabitants/groups from the region as children who cannot work together to build something that can last while serving for the good of the people.
I only wish more people in the Middle East could find some inspiration from Lebanon after their post-war rebuilding process though. It's a good example of what to do well after almost everything was lost in a war.
1947, Khartoum, Oslo, Clinton plan, Olmert plan...hmmm no, you can miss a lot more than two chances and still get away with blaming others.
Feck building a new society, why not grasp the opportunity handed by Uncle Sam and his NATO bodies to at least get those tractors off the main roads?
The main positives about Lebanon are its beautiful people and food. I doubt many would agree the country is an inspiration in terms of its political or rebuilding process.
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You can make all the anthropological generalisations you want, but your post suggests you don't understand the complexity of the Middle East. If you've studied the region for the last 40 or so years, you'll realise that war and decimation of the country doesn't lead to a blooming and prosperous post-nation. You put it down as a lack of 'maturity', but how easy do you think it is to build a new nation when your infrastructure is destroyed, your people have descended into poverty, your 'liberators' have destroyed your means of defence against external forces that mean to do you do harm, while trying to balance the half a dozen or so nations that are trying to impose their own regional footprint in your country. Breaking someone's legs and calling them childish for not getting up is essentially the accusation you're making.
Obviously, all of us want to see the Middle East evolve into a democratic beacon of hope, but to force it upon them with bombs, proxy wars and sanctions isn't going to accelerate the process, but rather push it back. Lebanon was an odd example to use as a benchmark, you should ask our Lebanese resident @Ballache as to how successfull rebuilding was for them.
Also, I'm not sure if you've realised this but Miha was being sarcastic...
The UK government lobbied for this little prick's release from Guantanamo, he was awarded 1.5m in damages along the way.
Now he's joined Islamic State.
http://www.channel4.com/news/jamal-al-harith-guantanamo-detainee-flees-to-syria
Now he's joined Islamic State.
http://www.channel4.com/news/jamal-al-harith-guantanamo-detainee-flees-to-syria