So, Southgate then, eh?
Is Southgate underrated by the CAF?
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he’s ok.
Fair point. He should have won the last 3 tournaments at minimum. Preferably by several goals in every game. Every single team they beat was awful and England have never played bad teams at tournaments until Southgate. That's why Southgate is doing better than other England coaches; the others got Brazil and Germany every game. He's also the first to ever coach any good players. Pre-2018, most England teams were actually amateur.
I agree that the fixtures have been easier than they could have been. I just think Southgates critics exaggerate it.
Lets try and read posts better before quoting next time? You can look at his games against weaker sides and still say he's underperformed.
I agree. He's just gotten an easier draw than any other England manager has (every time).
I've defended his record because ultimately he has beaten what's been put in front of him and got deeper than any manager in the last 20-30 years.
I took particular issue in 2018 when people were going "he didn't beat Italy" who hadn't even qualified, when he had beaten Sweden, the team that stopped them. Netherlands, who also hadn't qualified, and Germany, who got binned in the groups, were also brought up.
The problem is that he then lost to Italy in an important game, who subsequently lost to North Macedonia to not qualify for the last World Cup.
WC 2018 and Euro 2020 were the best tournaments I've had as an England fan. I think we'd have been shown up in the final in 2018, but we should have got there, and we should have won the Euros.
Even if the draws were kind, I do think some of his predecessors would have struggled with the Colombia/Sweden games in 2018, and the Germany game in Euro 2020, and it'd have all been very "typical England".
I'm not sure why he's praised for 2022 because that was about as "typical England" as it gets.
He's still not a great manager though, and while he might get a PL job when he leaves his England post, I'd he extremely surprised if he's a success.
He’s an awful manager who has lucked into one of the most prestigious jobs in the game due to the decline in status of the international game.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...y-job-in-football-after-being-england-manager
Don't know who this clown thinks he's fooling. The best job he could hope for is Crystal Palace.
Don't know who this clown thinks he's fooling. The best job he could hope for is Crystal Palace.
Is he mates with Dangerous Dave Brailsford though?
Wouldn’t surprise me, though
Wonder if could do a better job than ETH
What's he supposed to say?
"Ah, not really. International football is for has-beens so I wouldn't get a look in at most premier league jobs."
Nope. Whatever you may think of EtH, being the manager of this team is an awful job.
Maybe something a little less fanciful than "I could get any job I want". It's reminiscent of Allardyce saying he should be manager of Real Madrid, not Blackburn.
No, the guy is a serial bottle job. Good when we are 2 or 3 up. Terrible when we need a goal to win it, tactically inept. Negative when he should be more attacking, FA love him as he's the biggest 'yes man' they have ever had.
I've a funny feeling we'll end up with him in the home dugout
Gareth Southgate - a masterclass in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
He didn't say that. He said he wouldn't be intimidated and why would he be? The media is as harsh on England managers as they are with any clubs manager.
Only if you exclude every game he's won as his critics tend to do.
Full quote below. I can't be the only one who interpreted it as "I can get any job I want once I leave England".
A decent manager can get results from any team. Look ate Pekerman for example, in 2014 he took a Colombia NT without Falcao (who was the only stablished world class player in Colombia) to quarters for the first time in history, made James the top scorer at the WC and delivered way more than was expected.
Give that guy England with in form Kane, in form Rashford, in Sorm Saka, Rice and Bellingham at midfield and a solid defense, he would have won the WC. Southgate is wasting a plethora of talent. Together with France, on paper England has the best NT name by name.
Give that guy England with in form Kane, in form Rashford, in Sorm Saka, Rice and Bellingham at midfield and a solid defense, he would have won the WC. Southgate is wasting a plethora of talent. Together with France, on paper England has the best NT name by name.
England doesn't really do quality managers
Are the majority of English fans still sleeping on this man? Most United fans could smell this bottling fraud thanks to Ole's tenure. Too many parallels.
He couldn't even do a better job of having a full head of hair than ETH
in the last 2 world cups, Kane ignored Sterling for an open goal tap in to shoot from 5 yards out and miss the 2-0 against Croatia, and then missed the penalty for the 2-2 against France
Not sure why that's Southgate's fault
Mirror reporting today that Jim fancies him. Awful source I'm sure but I couldn't think of anything that would derail my refound hope for better days than appointing Southgate.
No thanks.
I don’t think so. The fact he brought on Sterling instead of Rashford who was on the form of his life vs France in the World Cup quarters was shocking. The World Cup semi vs Croatia was piss poor management from him too by not giving Vardy more minutes. He got too much criticism for allowing kids take the pens vs Italy in the Euros final but that game should’ve been put to bed way before the shoot out.
We live in a time where the more ludicrous the rumour is the more traction it gains because people love to be outraged and offended.
No he's fecking shite
Ineos must stay away from Southgate. Taking us nowhere. An average manager who hasn't achieved anything.
Beating a tired Germany managed by a Joachim Low who was on his way out?
Southgate is a perfect FA frontman. He's got nothing about him and is very v limited as a tactician. He's not a Man Utd man.
From Robson to Cantona to Keane... to Gareth Southgate??
Beating a tired Germany managed by a Joachim Low who was on his way out?
Southgate is a perfect FA frontman. He's got nothing about him and is very v limited as a tactician. He's not a Man Utd man.
From Robson to Cantona to Keane... to Gareth Southgate??
I like him as a person but not a great manager.
International football is almost pointless to compare with domestic football. There are a few good teams and a huge amount of dross.
Southgate has domestic managerial experience, it is atrocious.
But for international management, when it's not highly tactical and you get players from a load of different teams and only for short stints, maybe someone like him who is quite passive, predictable and keeps players happy is the way to go. Will he win us a major tournament, the signs don't look good when you think of us going out against basically the first strong team we play in major tournaments but it's not like we get hammered, England have an extremely good team, we should always be QF/SF minimum right now.
Southgate has domestic managerial experience, it is atrocious.
But for international management, when it's not highly tactical and you get players from a load of different teams and only for short stints, maybe someone like him who is quite passive, predictable and keeps players happy is the way to go. Will he win us a major tournament, the signs don't look good when you think of us going out against basically the first strong team we play in major tournaments but it's not like we get hammered, England have an extremely good team, we should always be QF/SF minimum right now.
This is nightmare fuel.
No, he’s shite and most people here agree he’s shite.
If you're being generous to Southgate you can say he's cultivated a good environment for young players to come into with England and contributed to a more positive relationship with the media versus the days of the golden generation.
In a tactical sense he's been left massively wanting in the key moments. The France match at the last World Cup was a bit of a coin flip, but he should've been capable of beating Italy in the final of the Euros and Croatia in the semi-finals of the World Cup before. He mismanaged the Italy one badly from a tactical perspective and made some bad decisions in the shootout.
I don't think he's cut out for a return to club football and the recent speculation seems to be just that. Managing the pressures of international football is much easier in the vacuum of a few weeks window in the summer and the top levels of international football are nowhere near as advanced as the top levels of club football. Maybe he'd be able to land himself a midtable Premier League job if he wanted it after England but I don't really see why he'd bother. He'd get exposed badly without quality players propping him up against weaker opposition and his reputation would likely be left in tatters.
In a tactical sense he's been left massively wanting in the key moments. The France match at the last World Cup was a bit of a coin flip, but he should've been capable of beating Italy in the final of the Euros and Croatia in the semi-finals of the World Cup before. He mismanaged the Italy one badly from a tactical perspective and made some bad decisions in the shootout.
I don't think he's cut out for a return to club football and the recent speculation seems to be just that. Managing the pressures of international football is much easier in the vacuum of a few weeks window in the summer and the top levels of international football are nowhere near as advanced as the top levels of club football. Maybe he'd be able to land himself a midtable Premier League job if he wanted it after England but I don't really see why he'd bother. He'd get exposed badly without quality players propping him up against weaker opposition and his reputation would likely be left in tatters.
What do you like about him ?
Even in these times, the 7th year of the caf civil war, where fans choose a side and declare war upon those backing 'the other side,' Southgate stands as The One who can unify all the kingdoms in their vehemence against him coming here. A feat no other manager might accomplish. Southgate is the nuclear arsenal that keeps the bickering petty, lest he be unleashed, bringing forth an age of untold misery for all.
Dorking FC may be looking for a new manager soon.
He suits England and international football. He’d fair similar to Ole for us. We need someone capable of revolutionising a football club’s style of play and also have some track record of excellence in club football. What experience does Southgate have in building a top side? ETH is light years head of him in this regard. Granted we need to give manager less power to sign players single-handedly but the answer is not a manager who isn’t a great coach and is failure at club level.