Is Ramos the most overrated CB in history?

André Dominguez said:
Why there are so many overrated / underrated threads? How many players people actually consider fairly rated?
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There are none. I mean, I've just seen a few people on the internet calling 4 times CL winner defender Sergio Ramos a bad defender, not a good defender or an average defender.

Just as a note, Vidic and ferdinand played twice against Lionel Messi and got destroyed twice. A player Ramos has played against his entire career, more than 30 times.
 
SilentStrike said:
Ramos used to be extremely overrated around 2013 or so. Constantly caught out of position, but being a galactico he was rated regardless. Now after his important role in the (albeit flattered) CL hattrick by real madrid I cannot argue against him anymore. He is one of the best defenders of this generation, along with the likes of indeed VVD and also peak Boeteng, who seems to be highly underrated in this threat.
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Wait few seasons at least.

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SilentStrike said:
Ramos used to be extremely overrated around 2013 or so. Constantly caught out of position, but being a galactico he was rated regardless. Now after his important role in the (albeit flattered) CL hattrick by real madrid I cannot argue against him anymore. He is one of the best defenders of this generation, along with the likes of indeed VVD and also peak Boeteng, who seems to be highly underrated in this threat.
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How can VVD be one of the best of his generation on the back of one, maybe two seasons at the top level? The likes of Boateng, Ramos and Piqué were at the top for years, not to mention produced memorable big performances at the biggest stages like major finals or semi finals, something that I struggle VVD did. Of course he has all the attributes to be up there but you have to actually go on and do it like the others to earn the right to be considered at their level.
 
With regard to his ATG status, he's clearly up there. No other defender I've seen in my lifetime has come with as many CL game winning performances on both ends as him
 
When VVd plays at top level for another 6 seasons let's talk. Insane how people talk up a player after 1 to 2 seasons. Let's wait awhile.
 
Defensively he isn't a brick wall for sure (still a solid 7/10 defender) but his leadership, important goals, trophy cabinet etc. make him top 3 in the past decade without a doubt. Who else was clearly above him over the past decade?

Also his red card record would be twice as high if he played for any other team but Real. So many elbow challenges not even whistled over the years, I lost count.
 
keezw said:
There are none. I mean, I've just seen a few people on the internet calling 4 times CL winner defender Sergio Ramos a bad defender, not a good defender or an average defender.

Just as a note, Vidic and ferdinand played twice against Lionel Messi and got destroyed twice. A player Ramos has played against his entire career, more than 30 times.
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Shots fired! :D
 
roonster09 said:
So? No one said Ramos is great CB based on this season. It's based on his career.
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He wasnt a different player during his career, other than at right back where once again it was his attacking play that caught the eye not defending
 
keezw said:
There are none. I mean, I've just seen a few people on the internet calling 4 times CL winner defender Sergio Ramos a bad defender, not a good defender or an average defender.

Just as a note, Vidic and ferdinand played twice against Lionel Messi and got destroyed twice. A player Ramos has played against his entire career, more than 30 times.
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I'd call him an average out and out defender, but one of the best attacking CBs I've ever seen. Combining the two he's a good defender.

Forget Messi though, how about Girona who got relegated as the 17th placed team in La Liga this season beating Madrid 2-1?

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How about Sevilla who beat Madrid 3-0?

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Or how about Barcelona without Messi beating Madrid 5-1?

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We've been shambles this season, Ramos has been our best player along with Benzema. Just watch the game against Ajax, he's the only defender this season who managed to stop them.
 
Might just be the most overrated player in history. Have never understood the hype.
 
If you want to see his impact on Madrid's defense, watch the first leg against Ajax where he was the one gluing it all together, and compare it to the second leg where he wasn't available, repeat the same for the tie against Juve the year before.
 
Certainly not overrated imo. Remember when he was linked with us but all that did was increase his wages at Real and a new lucrative contract was in the bag. If he'd have played in England he would have gone down as one of the best CB's in the history of the PL. Would have loved to have seen him in a utd shirt.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Might just be the most overrated player in history. Have never understood the hype.
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Spanish lad who joined as a teen and brought La Decima to Madrid. That alone would be enough to idolize and hype him for enternity over there. He then went on to win a few more Champions Leagues with them as captain.

You can't look at him as purely a defender. You have to consider the wealth of his accomplishments at Madrid and also be forgiving of his lesser displays as he ages.
 
When he goes into that laser focused mode, there's literally no one better than him in decades. Like in the CL final against Atleti, he scored the all important goal, but he was massive all night, he got a very early yellow in the match, which was kinda harsh, and if you were a betting man you'd have bet anything that it'll be a matter of time before he'll get sent off, considering our high line and being a goal down, Atleti players playing every last dirty trick in the book (and on a game that went to ET), but he just played THE perfect match, winning each and every duel, every last ball, simply bossing the opposition, distributing it from the back, and making the whole team way calmer that they should.

Of course he scored THAT goal, but how he did it from the back was just as impressive.
 
Davicho said:
He will be remembered as one of the best CBs in the history of the game, and he is not even close to that standars IMO. So yes, he is overrated.
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This. He has clearly been world class and one of the worlds best in the last 10 years. He has a better resume, more goals and decisive moments upfront than the likes of Baresi, Nesta and Maldini, but he's clearly not in their class once we start talking the greatest defenders of all time.
 
People still can’t tell me when he was part of a defence comparable to the Chelsea teams of early 00’s or even City Liverpool goals conceded tally now, when has he had a season where he can be claimed to be consistent back to front? Like Terry Rio Carvahlo Vidic and now Laporte and Van Dijk have?
 
One of the best in his time but definitely on the decline right now. Many of us doesn't want him near our team but sadly, he is what we need. A leader with the will to win at all cost.
 
Negan said:
Ramos was easily better than Terry. Come on.
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I'd happily take Terry.

Always found Ramos extremely overrated. He's built his reputation on a large extent based on scoring goals and I feel CBs like Rio, Vidic and Terry, who were vastly superior at defending would work in any team as opposed to a mosy cup specialist team that aced the champions league (not on account of a rock solid defence I might add). Rio for example could play in both an attacking team and a defensive team. If you're relying on your defence in a big way, or want a monstrous team in defence you do not want Ramos. He's just always been too ropey for me. Very good all round footballer, but I'd pick many CBs before him in my team.
 
Ramos is a much bigger legend than Ferdinand, Vidic or Terry.

Is he a more talented defender? Probably not. Is he a bigger football legend? You bet your arse he is.
 
Infordin said:
Ramos is a much bigger legend than Ferdinand, Vidic or Terry.

Is he a more talented defender? Probably not. Is he a bigger football legend? You bet your arse he is.
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That is very debatable and there really is not a way to measure that.
 
Infordin said:
Ramos is a much bigger legend than Ferdinand, Vidic or Terry.

Is he a more talented defender? Probably not. Is he a bigger football legend? You bet your arse he is.
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Don't care. Prefer the other three. Pique is also probably a 'bigger legend'. Still would prefer them to him.
 
Depends on what you rate him for. Defending? Many more accomplished defenders. Yet as a leader and driving force he has been to Madrid what Keano was for us and you can't possibly overlook the importance of that. Even when you think about Keano in Turin, Ramos has been there and done it, scoring absolutely crucial goals.

I don't like him, but can't see how you could realistically argue against his body of work.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
That is very debatable and there really is not a way to measure that.
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It’s not debatable at all.

Ramos has scored in two Champions League finals, and both goals were absolutely crucial to victory for Real Madrid. He scored two goals against a prime Bayern Munich in 2014 to knock them out. He’s put in many great defensive performances against world class teams (Bayern, PSG, Juventus) in huge games. Real Madrid have collapsed multiple times without him on the pitch (against Juve last year, Ajax this year). He’s won 4 Champions League trophies, and was the captain of the team in 3 of them.

At international level Ramos has won a World Cup and 2 Euro Cups. He also has 163 caps and will probably retire as the most capped European player of all time.

Vidic, Ferdinand and Terry don’t even come close. Ramos has a bigger legacy than the three of them combined.
 
Infordin said:
It’s not debatable at all.

Ramos has scored in two Champions League finals, and both goals were absolutely crucial to victory for Real Madrid. He scored two goals against a prime Bayern Munich in 2014 to knock them out. He’s put in many great defensive performances against world class teams (Bayern, PSG, Juventus) in huge games. Real Madrid have collapsed multiple times without him on the pitch (against Juve last year, Ajax this year). He’s won 4 Champions League trophies, and was the captain of the team in 3 of them.

At international level Ramos has won a World Cup and 2 Euro Cups. He also has 163 caps and will probably retire as the most capped European player of all time.

Vidic, Ferdinand and Terry don’t even come close. Ramos has a bigger legacy than the three of them combined.
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Juliano Beletti scored the wining goal in a Champions League final. Is he a bigger icon than Puyol? And Terry, Rio and Vidic have all won more league titles and they did in the most popular sporting league in the World. They are some of the biggest legends of the Premier League and England tends to show respect to Centrebacks more than any other country. And they have all knocked out some of the best teams in Europe as well. And Chelsea and Manchester United both broke European clean sheet records during their times at the club.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Juliano Beletti scored the wining goal in a Champions League final. Is he a bigger icon than Puyol? And Terry, Rio and Vidic have all won more league titles and they did in the most popular sporting league in the World. They are some of the biggest legends of the Premier League and England tends to show respect to Centrebacks more than any other country. And they have all knocked out some of the best teams in Europe as well. And Chelsea and Manchester United both broke European clean sheet records during their times at the club.
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The Champions League, World Cup and Euro Cup are all bigger and more prestigious competitions than the Premier League.

Messi and Ronaldo are the two biggest football stars of all time, and they both spent their prime in Spain. Nobody out of Zidane, Ronaldinho, or Ronaldo Nazario ever played in England, and they are all bigger icons than anyone who has ever played in the Premier League (apart from Cristiano, who spent his prime in La Liga).
 
For what it’s worth, IMO Rio Ferdinand was a more complete defender than Sergio Ramos.

But Ramos will be remembered a lot more and regarded higher, because unfortunately that is how football works.
 
Infordin said:
The Champions League, World Cup and Euro Cup are all bigger and more prestigious competitions than the Premier League.

Messi and Ronaldo are the two biggest football stars of all time, and they both spent their prime in Spain. Nobody out of Zidane, Ronaldinho, or Ronaldo Nazario ever played in England, and they are all bigger icons than anyone who has ever played in the Premier League (apart from Cristiano, who spent his prime in La Liga).
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They are knockout competitions. They are not something you can follow 24-7 like the Premier League. And Beckham is a bigger celebrity than all the players you mentioned with exception of the big 2. And he became that while still in England. And Perez often targets PL stars because of how big they are globally.
 
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