He's quite ridicilous.
Is Mbappe the best french player ever?
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Mbappé is the 1st player in the history of football to record 9 goals in the WC before he's 24 (Pele had 7).
This stat is funny but doesn't mean much since it vastly depends of the date of birth of the player. Still impressive though.
This stat is funny but doesn't mean much since it vastly depends of the date of birth of the player. Still impressive though.
The difference is that no other player in world football could have a game like Messi had last night.
Without a doubt. If people only look at this competition, there is no way you can objectively say Messi, or anyone for that matter, has been better than Mbappé at this World Cup.
Wasn`t one of his best games still arguably best player on the pitch. Constant threat.
The reason why France looks rather relaxed at times is because they know they have the best difference maker in the world.
2g + 1a in a WC knockout feels almost par for the course for this guy.
The reason why France looks rather relaxed at times is because they know they have the best difference maker in the world.
2g + 1a in a WC knockout feels almost par for the course for this guy.
I saw my mate, the other day
Said he saw the French Pele
So I asked, who is he?
Goes by the name Kylian Mbappe
Mbappe
Mbappe
Goes by the name Kylian Mbappe
Messi is a fan favourite and with the Ronaldo business a lot of fans really want him to do well, this has skewed the opinions on his performances.
Like I said above Messi has been performing great especially for his age but Mbappe has been better.
There is no dispute that he is the greatest French footballer ever to have played the game in this World Cup.
Must admit, he is a lightning rod and is fantastic.
It's not. No other player is capable of the dribbling and chance creation that Messi showed last night.
That's a massive hyperbole.
Love Messi. But Mbappe has been the standout player for sure.
All I keep thinking about is how he’s going to shred us in the quarters if we get there.
Musiala has been dribbling like Messi all tournament.
I have this novel idea! When we are taken over by the middle eastern oil men in the sky, he should sign for Man Unitied. That's just something I've come up with off the top of my head. Good eh?
He is the gift to Manchester United fans from their new Dubai overlord.
I've said it before and he keeps proving it - he is on a level with Pelé. Ronaldo Lima without injuries is the only other comparison.
Both in terms of accomplishments, speed, finishing and the overall package. Pelé got 3 WC, Ronaldo 2 WC + 1 final-silver. I see Mbappe ending up with 2 or 3 WC.
And yes, he has been better than Ronaldo and Messi for years.
He has the talent to genuinely challenge Messi and CR7s legacy over the past decade, but the lack of league challenge will be held against him. Those two were at the top in tough leagues for close to 15 years.
Would've been funny if he did go to Real and then they had both Vinicius and Mbappe preferring that LW spot.
Would've been funny if he did go to Real and then they had both Vinicius and Mbappe preferring that LW spot.
No
He's a good player and he knows he's better than average.
Surely a more apt comparison would be how he compares at his current age (23) to Messi and Ronaldo at the same age. Without looking at stats, I don't think he's on the level that Messi was in 2010, when he would've been the same age. I'd say he's on a similar plane to Cristiano Ronaldo at 23.
Mbappe has time on his side. Ronaldo was 24 when he moved to Real Madrid. Mbappe is 23.
Ronaldo had won the CL and 3 PL titles at the age Mbappe is now. Mbappe has a few league titles in France and won the World Cup.
If he wins the World Cup and wins the Golden Boot. He will be in a bracket of his own. I’m sure he will move to Real Madrid in a year or so and can definitely add more trophies and individual honours.
Were they? Barcelona and Real Madrid dominated La Liga, there wasn't much competition for them at the time. CR7 in the PL his first time around was still part of the top two teams in the league but at least there was more competition than either of them experienced in La Liga IMO. La Liga is massively overrated, Mbappe would wreck that league just as easily as those two did in the teams they were playing in.
Joined third IMO (with Henry), just behind Platini and Zidane. He is ridiculous.
I don't agree with this.
Average game from him, but still manage to have 2 goals and 1 assist. That shows his level of performance.
I highly doubt that
Messi is a talent apart, I don't think anybody comes close to his talent or will be able to replicate his 91 goals in a calendar year or the manner in which he scored many of those goals. But CR7? Absolutely Mbappe can replicate that. He's more talented than CR7 IMO and far, far, far ahead of where the Portugese was at the same age. I don't care about the Ballon d'Or in that regard, the competition wasn't the same when CR7 won it, but on output and impact in the big games, Mbappe is far ahead of CR7.
Those two wrecked the Champions league too though. Against teams from supposedly harder leagues.
That's why they are held in such high regards.
perhaps but if he helps a French club like psg to win a CL playing despite playing in a weaker league, I would say it would be a far bigger achievement and add way more to his legacy than to win it with clubs who are used to win them (Barca, Real, Mu, Bayern,Liverpool).
in fact, despite the fact I still think Zidane is untouchable as the best French player ever, i think that if he manages to help psg to win the CL, it would be a big plus in his legacy comparing to the likes of Henry, Zidane or Platini who've never won an European cup with a French club and who in some sense chose the easiest route in that regard.
And I suspect it was one of the reasons which made Mbappé stay in France
also, I want to add one reason in the long list of reasons why I think Zidane is the best French player ever and one of the top 3 in the world all time: how frigging good he was with BOTH feet.
The fact the guy scored some of the best goals you'll ever see with his weaker foot says it all really.
People really underestimate how deadly it is to be that good with both feet
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The only theoretically harder league was the PL... But Atletico, Juventus sometimes Paris and especially Bayern were regularly up to the task against Real and Barcelona...
Even in 2013 when Dortmund and Bayern looked far better, even then Messi and Ronaldo were destroying la Liga with 45+ goals in the league.
He's not close to Messi. He's a once in a lifetime talent
2009-2018 period? The Bundesliga has a case for 12-13 and the PL for 17-18. Rest of the time la Liga was so far above the rest it was a joke. Kinda like the PL is today
He's a fantastic player and this "farmer's league" jabs are a bit silly honestly.
Messi regularly terrorized the best English teams too.
Two amazing talents. Regardless of league. Mbappe is that too. A generational talent.
The CL is a farmer's competition as well. You get the rainy Wednesday nights, but no Stoke City.
especially when you look at some of their teams results against best PL teams in CL last few years (City against Monaco or Lyon, Spurs vs Monaco, Chelsea vs PSG)
Mbappe only really has the world cup to his name.. no one's going to include the French league titles.
I don't disagree, it's why I think he'd fit into the La Liga better than the PL. The defences are too tight here, whereas the tendency to play possession in La Liga would give Mbappe more space.
I get what you're saying but I think you're underrating Cristiano a little here. They're similar players style and position wise but Cristiano was a different player in his younger United years vs his Madrid ones, circa 2005 to 2007 he used to dribble at defences constantly, that was my favourite version of him. In a game against Roma in 2006/07 he was toasting their whole team for fun.
And then of course at 23 he was scored 40+ goals in the league and CL and led us to the CL, we really should've won the treble that season we were that good (got screwed by the ref in the fa cup). Around that time he started scoring all sorts, long range goals, freekicks, his trademark hanging headers, even a goal with his nuts. In a front 3 with Rooney and Tevez, both themselves two of the best of their generation, he looked a level above. Ditto with Benzema. But I get what you mean though, Mbappe is at a level where he can say he's similar to Cristiano and that's a compliment to him. The only reason I say I wish he had better league games to play in is just so we could definitively compare the players, because at the end of the day the level of opposition matters hugely to how good players look.
Tbh PSG should consider spending like £150m funding a rival team, if the French league had another team to sort of rival PSG then with teams like Marseille also I think you could say the level is a good one.
I do believe that stats-wise, he has a chance to put up goal numbers that will stack up better than any French player in history.
The three players he would be vying for best French player of all time (Platini, Kopa and Zidane) were all attacking midfielders rather than out and out forwards, so the stats will not match up.
Add that to the sheer quantity of games that national teams play now as opposed to years past, the level of thuggery defenders used to get away with, quality of pitches, VAR, etc..., and it really becomes impossible to come up with an equivocal "best French player" of all time. This is frustrating, of course, but it is what it is.
I don't think there is any doubt that if he stays healthy, he can be up there with those three in the conversation of best French player ever.
Maradona was the best player that I have personally seen play consistently. But I've never consistently watched Rivera, Pele, Garrincha, Eusebio, Bobby Moore, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Kopa, Best, Duncan Edwards, etc..., play (other than a few matches here and there on grainy video), so it's just impossible to exactly compare. Stats only matter within a finite time span IMO, and team honours only count for so much.
The three players he would be vying for best French player of all time (Platini, Kopa and Zidane) were all attacking midfielders rather than out and out forwards, so the stats will not match up.
Add that to the sheer quantity of games that national teams play now as opposed to years past, the level of thuggery defenders used to get away with, quality of pitches, VAR, etc..., and it really becomes impossible to come up with an equivocal "best French player" of all time. This is frustrating, of course, but it is what it is.
I don't think there is any doubt that if he stays healthy, he can be up there with those three in the conversation of best French player ever.
Maradona was the best player that I have personally seen play consistently. But I've never consistently watched Rivera, Pele, Garrincha, Eusebio, Bobby Moore, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Kopa, Best, Duncan Edwards, etc..., play (other than a few matches here and there on grainy video), so it's just impossible to exactly compare. Stats only matter within a finite time span IMO, and team honours only count for so much.