Gorillas tend to be assosciated with strength. Unless someone tries incredibly hard to be offended on behalf of black people while being as white as possible, then its possible to be negative about this
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Gorillas tend to be assosciated with strength. Unless someone tries incredibly hard to be offended on behalf of black people while being as white as possible, then its possible to be negative about this
Deary me. The persecution fetish.
United should build a keyboard app with limited words for communication that gets set as the default on all staff mobile devices using and MDM platform.
Two gorillas to represent the strength of Maguire and Onana. Should have gone with the muscle emoji instead, will definitely be banned.
Probably get into bother because idiots will draw attention to it.
I mean - it’s just stupid.
Ban deserved if it comes.
Ban deserved if it comes.
Sigh.
It’s used all the time to mean “strong” or “beast” in a climbing whatsapp group I’m in, which is full of much younger folk who are miles more literate than me about this shit.
Yes, but unfortunately when the gorilla emoji is used in reference to a black player it will always highlight and point to the negative connotations associated with those references so it's best to avoid it entirely.
its not random idiots fault he did something monumentally stupid
Oh ffs
Ban totally deserved (intent/non intent doesn't come into it)
Ban totally deserved (intent/non intent doesn't come into it)
Best avoided, sure. But the way that specific emoji is so commonly used for reasons that have nothing to do with race (and are appropriate for the context in which it was used) should be taken into account if this is handled with any common sense. Ditto the way he took it down as soon as someone obviously pointed out it could be misinterpreted.
It won’t be handled with any common sense though, obviously. Ban incoming.
Ridiculous. There is no malicious intent at all. Why can't anyone identify intent these days? There are just words and images that are sacrilegious irrespective of context.
"Racism is bad", says racist, racistly.
Is it possible to leave a WhatsApp group prior to actually joining it?
Oh man, who saw this one coming?! 
Next up will be Bruno kicking a pensioner and their dog, and Rashford being revealed to be a cannibal. His preference being eating children rather than feeding them.
Just one normal year please, lads.
Next up will be Bruno kicking a pensioner and their dog, and Rashford being revealed to be a cannibal. His preference being eating children rather than feeding them.
Just one normal year please, lads.
You’d need to be invited to join it first. Never mind. There’s bound to be much more craic in your “middle aged dads playing tennis” group anyway.
Ouch.
Would agree, instead of a ban some form of education on these matters.
Nice.
Thank you! It should definitely be important if was intentional or not!
I know there are enough people out there who want to hang anyone as soon as it could be interpreted wrongly, but it's not forbidden to put some sense into it.
That being said, it was not the smartest move and as we've seen in the Cavani case (which was even more harmless considering the words meaning in Spanish), there will be a ban I guess.
He should have posted one regular gorilla and one silverback gorilla.
Workshop 1: Do not in any way, in any circumstances, compare black players to gorillas or monkeys.
I think society has lost its way in trying to tackle racism and over the top hysteria to even basic things. This was not a racist post, only a moron would think so and act on it.
There are times when stupidity should suffer consequences, this is not one of them. It does a disservice to common sense and real racism. This was not a racist post, people just choosing to get upset about it and make it a thing.
Maybe if there was more common sense in society , instead of choosing to get offended at everything that can be interpreted one way or another, people/players would not need to be so careful and wed all learn more above the hysertical reaction to nothing events. I just find this sort of stuff a load of sh*t, people and institutions need to cop the f**k on and get over themselves.
There are times when stupidity should suffer consequences, this is not one of them. It does a disservice to common sense and real racism. This was not a racist post, people just choosing to get upset about it and make it a thing.
Maybe if there was more common sense in society , instead of choosing to get offended at everything that can be interpreted one way or another, people/players would not need to be so careful and wed all learn more above the hysertical reaction to nothing events. I just find this sort of stuff a load of sh*t, people and institutions need to cop the f**k on and get over themselves.
Not sure it’s the same. Cavani was done because of the word itself.
Never go full Garnacho
Intention should matter. I'm sure he didnt mean it in a racist way and was instead trying to suggest that his teammate who saved the game at the end is great. He just did it in a careless way that some might misinterpret because of history that he may not even know. But I think its important he learns it now.
Intention should matter. I'm sure he didnt mean it in a racist way and was instead trying to suggest that his teammate who saved the game at the end is great. He just did it in a careless way that some might misinterpret because of history that he may not even know. But I think its important he learns it now.
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Intent rarely matters in employment law for this type of thing as it's the possible impact that's relevant not the intended outcome. Otherwise you have idiots doing this shit for 'bants' or walking a line on what they can pass off as non-intent.
Ideally players would get a fine for this type of thing as a warning rather than impacting the club. It was a stupid thing to do and some level of consequence is right, send him on a mandatory course.
Seems to be a prerequisite to play for us.
If Onana came out and clarified it in a "Garnacho was praising me" or something to that affect, maybe it would shut the moron mobs up.
The fact that people chose to interpret it as a racist thing on any capacity suggests they should maybe look at themselves instead of Garnacho. Maybe the issue is the tail now wags the dog in these sort of circles, Garnacho has done nothing wrong, people are just choosing to take it the wrong way.
World is mad. The fact we are talking about this means a ban is inevitable. Footballers are idiots and should just not bother using social media at all to prevent idiocy like this. Feck sake man.
Let it go mate. Nothing monkey-associated is going to be on the right side of the line here. Which is probably just as well, considering how that association is a mainstay of racist abusive chanting.
People saying "intent should matter", but intent is taken into account. It was a factor cited in Cavani's case for example, where he received the minimum punishment insulting and/or improper language. Ditto Bernardo Silva's case. If it hadn't been obvious they had no malicious intent their punishment would have been worse.
Lack of obvious intent just isn't enough to see no punishment, for reasons that should be fairly obvious.
Lack of obvious intent just isn't enough to see no punishment, for reasons that should be fairly obvious.
Quite right, good clarification.
What possible reason could there be that would justify that tweet?
If Onana's nickname is King Kong or something, then ok, if not, of course he will be banned.. what an idiot. deserved too.
If Onana's nickname is King Kong or something, then ok, if not, of course he will be banned.. what an idiot. deserved too.
What was the intent though?
Garnacho has just proven he's an uneducated imbecile. How stupid are some people to not realise that would be deemed as insensitive. Beggars belief really.