Is Cristiano Ronaldo a United Legend?

cyberman said:
Nope. Don’t go believing any of this nonsense about one last crack at major trophies as well. He wants to join a club where he can comfortably hit 25 goals and 5-7 CL goal to pad his record even further. When people claim he’s laser focused that means he really is, he never wants to give those records up. At United he will have one next season but not the other. In his head I guarantee he thinks he can get another 20 CL goals before he retires. He’s 15 ahead of Messi and if Messi picks it up next season that could be halved to a gettable figure if Ronaldo stays.
Ronaldo doesn’t care where he’s a legend, he just cares about the greatest of all time argument.
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I 100% reckon this factors into his thinking. Messi is about 15 goals behind as you say and even though he didn't have a prolific season for PSG last term, he still scored 5 goals in the CL and PSG did not even get particularly far.. If CR had to miss a CL campaign and Messi has a better season goal wise (which I think is likely as he's more settled now), he could easily eat into that lead significantly and CR doesn't want that at all. He's already been joined by about 10 Madrid players on the 'most CL trophies won' plinth and he doesn't want any more of his records challenged as he's running out of time.

All of this speaks to your latter point, which I also agree with and I think it's one of the things that is slightly odd about him. His main driving force is trying to be thought of as the GOAT. It seems like he's engaged in an exercise in box ticking in order to build a GOAT resume: if I play for this or that club in this league or that league, if I break this goal record or that record etc etc., then people will think I'm the GOAT. This approach is not necessarily going to endear you to any particular club.

His rivals for this accolade seem much less calculated. Whether it's Pele, Maradona or Messi, they seem much less driven by records and box ticking (whilst they were active, in the case of Maradona and Pele: obviously they became very concerned with their legacies after retirement). They just play and try to help their teams win things. If records come as a result of that then so be it. Maybe that's not true but that's what it looks like. Could be because CR doesn't have their natural ability and he's been climbing up to their level through sheer force of will.
 
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RedPed said:
That legacy is being eroded every day he pulls this shit. You can't be a legend whilst at the same time derailing your club's season and creating all this drama. The timing really sucks and could have been handled better. If he goes awol, he can't really be considered a legend anymore.
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He should have announced this earlier in the season. He's kind of shafted us by announcing it this late.
 
sunama said:
Many people who post on this board are very young and did not follow MUFC in the 2000s, so are unaware of what CR7 means to MUFC.
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:lol: Our 07-09 era is just 13-15 years back FFS. If you want to be all "these kids..." preachy at least pick something from the 80s or 90s.
 
If he stays and risks his champions league legacy then absolutely top top legend. If not, somewhere middle of the legends.
 
Can’t blame him really.

It’s one thing to not be able to offer one of the (traditional) best players in the world trophies, but to not even be able to qualify for CL football ahead of Spurs?

He obviously values his CL record as would any other player in his position. Instead of saying he must sacrifice that record for the club or else he’s a selfish narcissist whose positive exploits are expunged, how about we fecking qualify for the competition like the big club we’re supposed to be, and not have to put one of our legends in that position. A position, by the way, that few if any of our other legends in the past found themselves in.

In short yes he’s a legend for Utd, no he shouldn’t have to give up his CL record because we were too incompetent to handle hiring the right manager(s) to qualify for the competition, and yes even if he leaves he’ll still be a legend on the basis of what he’s achieved and the wonderful feelings he’s given the fans.
 
swissgenius said:
There are 27 United players with 4 or more titles so I don't know how winning the PL 3 times make you automatically a club legend..

If he retired at 23 for whatever reason, he undoubtedly would go down as a United legend.
But he left the club to become a Madrid legend and he's about to do it a second time for individual records and prestige.

In the end, I'm undecided as of now. It depends on your definition of a club legend and how many of those exist. He's surely not in the tier 1 with the class of '92 or Best / Rooney.
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I think the absolute quality of the player and the impact has a major factor also. Winning three titles on the bounce we’ve only done twice, CL we’ve only won three times. Once he left our success waned massively. He’s a balon dor winner at united and one of the greatest players of all time. If I’m putting Eric as a legend, which I am, then Ronaldo is a certainty.
 
He's the legend who didn't want to play for us about 50% of his time here.
 
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It doesn't need to be either a Tevez or a McTominay, a lot of top players have stuck by their clubs during difficult times through the years. Some players even spent their entire careers without winning anything out of loyalty. When Juventus got relegated Buffon, Nedved, Del Piero and Trezeguet decided to remain with the club, we're talking about relegation here, and others like Ibrahimovic and others just left.

Now I don't blame Ronaldo the footballer for looking after his records, though I think he's an idiot for only caring about that, and in my mind the real legacy in football isn't about records. No liverpool fan gives a shit a bout Gerrard not winning a league title, he'll always be a legend for them and nothing will change that. But when I think of United legends I just don't think what he's doing now reflects that in any shape or form. He's a football legend, but he doesn't give a shit about United, and if you don't give a shit about united then you aren't a united legend.
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Fair enough, but com eon Juventus got relegated because of match fixing, nothing to do with football team being poor in that period. Gerrard also very nearly moved as has happened with a few players at various clubs.

I am not disagreeing, is ROnaldo the most loyal club loving player....no, but I cant blame him for wanting to leave this time round considering where we are and how long he has lft in his career, still a legend in my eyes for this club
 
Yes. But he is a proper c... like Ince and Heinze. They are not his status but nobody is denying their quality and Cr7 has done so much more. Some of the older CAF have mentioned Law and I will take their word for it despite being a United historian. Memory is memory. Big Pete move to City doesnt compare since he was at the end of his journey.

But he is a proper c...
 
sunama said:
Many people who post on this board are very young and did not follow MUFC in the 2000s, so are unaware of what CR7 means to MUFC.
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I remember when we signed him and to me he's not a United legend. The slave comments were just the beginning of him using the club for his own personal gain which to be fair is his prerogative but we're not a small club like Sporting and he didn't reach the heights here as he did in Madrid at least for as long as he did. Great player, probably the best the clubs ever seen but not a club legend just based on his own decisions and actions. I can finally stop pretending I like him which is such a relief.
 
A legendary player who happened to have played for United not once but twice.

The Iberian Mark Hughes.
 
norm87cro said:
Big Pete move to City doesnt compare since he was at the end of his journey.
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Ronaldo is supposed to be at the end of his journey too and supposedly not that good anymore. Can’t have it two ways.
 
He continuing to remain AWOL, then being shafted out of United, and then not finding a single CL club to play for next season, and then requesting to continue with us next season would be a fitting tribute to the Madrid legend and United moaner.
 
Not anymore, Ronaldo isnt a United legend anymore. In fact he should get booed at OT when he faces United.

He chose the worst possible way to leave once again, why didnt he ask to leave right after the season ended ?

ETH couldve had another summer plan, we are in a mess thanks to Ronaldo selfishness.
 
TheLord said:
He continuing to remain AWOL, then being shafted out of United, and then not finding a single CL club to play for next season, and then requesting to continue with us next season would be a fitting tribute to the Madrid legend and United moaner.
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Chelsea are the only club who will take him. That is an absolute no for us.
 
This club rewards it's legends with statues. Therefore there's the answer.
 
Gotta say if he reads the caf last year he have a point to feel aggrieved. Being made scapegoat when it's clear that he's one of very few who seems to care about our season, even if it's only for his own personal reason.

Our fans have treated him like shit, accusing him to stiffle our attack, and creating disharmony. We dont fully know the truth but if that's not him leaking bad press then he might say feck it I'm out. Not to mention our ineptness in transfer.

But he could have ask for the transfer in a better way than simply going AWOL
 
MrEleson said:
Ronaldo is supposed to be at the end of his journey too and supposedly not that good anymore. Can’t have it two ways.
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You are right so I guess its the way he has conducted himself in the last few weeks that sets him apart in the c... department. It still doesnt matter because we can all see him scoring 20+ in all competitions nevertheles if he stays
 
He‘s a football legend ….probably the best ever.

Undoubtably a Real legend and imo a legendary Utd footballer.
 
He’s one of the greatest of all time and he’s wore our shirt. Of course he’s a legend. He’s not the most loveable or favourable.. he’s not endeared himself to us at the best of times.. but he’s still a great part of our history. Also won champions league and PL with us and part of the best attacking trio we have ever had.
 
A legendary player who played for us. Similar to Zlatan.

There's been too many incidents of him disrespecting or using the club for his own gain to be classed as a legend of the club.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
He’s one of the greatest of all time and he’s wore our shirt. Of course he’s a legend. He’s not the most loveable or favourable.. he’s not endeared himself to us at the best of times.. but he’s still a great part of our history. Also won champions league and PL with us and part of the best attacking trio we have ever had.
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Sorry. But there's no 'of course he is a legend' at all.
One things for sure. The split in regards to his legendary status is clear and given the way he has treated the club in the past and now the current, the split is going to be more in favour that he is far from a legend.

Ask the same question of Law, Charlton, Best, Cantona, Giggle, Edwards, Rooney etc.

I'd guarentee the very large majority would see the above as legends.
 
norm87cro said:
Yes. But he is a proper c... like Ince and Heinze. They are not his status but nobody is denying their quality and Cr7 has done so much more. Some of the older CAF have mentioned Law and I will take their word for it despite being a United historian. Memory is memory. Big Pete move to City doesnt compare since he was at the end of his journey.

But he is a proper c...
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He would have got away with that except for his reaction in one match against United,
 
Zippycup said:
Sorry. But there's no 'of course he is a legend' at all.
One things for sure. The split in regards to his legendary status is clear and given the way he has treated the club in the past and now the current, the split is going to be more in favour that he is far from a legend.

Ask the same question of Law, Charlton, Best, Cantona, Giggle, Edwards, Rooney, etc.

I'd guarentee the very large majority would see the above as legends.
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Sorry, but how many of the aforementioned players refused to turn up for training because they wanted to force themselves out of United? How many of those players greatly overvalued personal glory instead of the team's values? How many of those players always wanted out when the 'grass was green elsewhere'?
 
Demba Ba - automatically a United legend for giving Steve G nightmares
Ronaldo - automatically a Pepsi legend for dissing Coca-Cola

That's about it.
 
Genuine question; Can a player be considered a true club legend for more than one club?

If not then no he is not a United legend, he is a Real legend.
 
Club legends, in my mind, is defined by numerous factors, such as how well they played for us, trophies won etc, but also their attitude towards the club and whatnot. In my mind, a club legend does not force their way out of the club, twice.
 
‘I’m so happy to be back home’, ‘I’m here to win AGAIN’, ‘I’m here to win games and get the club back where they deserve’. All quotes from Ronaldo on his return two games into last season. He is now clearly none of the above now his £450,000 people wages have been cut. He is clearly looking to have them returned to last seasons figure ESL as his agent can find another club daft enough to pay that for a 37 year old no matter how good he is. I suspect he only came to United because we were the only club willing to pay that salary. The signing for City was a smokescreen, they are too well run to have committed to signing a United legend at that salary.
 
TheLord said:
Sorry, but how many of the aforementioned players refused to turn up for training because they wanted to force themselves out of United? How many of those players greatly overvalued personal glory instead of the team's values? How many of those players always wanted out when the 'grass was green elsewhere'?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at here?
My argument is that Ronaldo cant be regarded as a legend as the fanbase is widely split on his legendary status.
Unlike the players I mentioned as a comparison, in which the very large majority would see them as legends and their legendary status cant really be argued against.
 
He'sRaldo said:
Can’t blame him really.

It’s one thing to not be able to offer one of the (traditional) best players in the world trophies, but to not even be able to qualify for CL football ahead of Spurs?

He obviously values his CL record as would any other player in his position. Instead of saying he must sacrifice that record for the club or else he’s a selfish narcissist whose positive exploits are expunged, how about we fecking qualify for the competition like the big club we’re supposed to be, and not have to put one of our legends in that position. A position, by the way, that few if any of our other legends in the past found themselves in.

In short yes he’s a legend for Utd, no he shouldn’t have to give up his CL record because we were too incompetent to handle hiring the right manager(s) to qualify for the competition, and yes even if he leaves he’ll still be a legend on the basis of what he’s achieved and the wonderful feelings he’s given the fans.
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this 100%. those saying no seem to have forgotten the season he almost won the PL on his own, let alone all the other seasons.
 
mitchmouse said:
this 100%. those saying no seem to have forgotten the season he almost won the PL on his own, let alone all the other seasons.
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He's literally never won the EPL "on his own". His only claim would be the 2008 season and that wouldn't apply.

7 seasons in English football with only 1 season leading the league in scoring or assists.
 
Obviously, it depends on how you define legend. To me, legend means beyond simply football excellence. There has to be a special tie between the club and the club's legend. Ronaldo does NOT have that tie to United. It just happened to be the case that United found him and fostered him before he became an exceptional footballer, and it stopped there. If there must be a tie it is strictly unilateral from United (some fans) to Ronaldo, not vice versa. And no one should kid themselves that Ronaldo decided to again wear United jersey because of affection. It was just the best option for his economics and fame. Now he values his champions league record more than other things and he chose to leave again, knowing it will hurt many fans who always believed he has tie with this club. (IMO, he has no tie with RM either)
 
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