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Is Cristiano Ronaldo a Man Utd legend?

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jem said:
Another interesting case would be Puskas. Most probably think of him as a Real legend (which he undoubtedly was,) but from what I've read, his peak came when he was playing in Hungary (also the time when he was the leader of that incredible Hungary team.) I'd love to hear the input of any Hungarians on here regarding this.
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Balu said:
Do we have someone from Hungary on the Caf? I'd love to hear his/her opinion as well, but I'm sure he's considered a Honved legend. It's a bit of a unique story though. You can't really compare running away from the revolution in your home country to a transfer today. I guess most people remember him as an Hungarian legend first, both clubs play 2nd fiddle to what he did for the nationalteam in this case. But I guess it's fair to say he's a legend at both clubs, both his spell at Honved and at Real have a fascinating story, he stayed there for more than just a few seasons and performed on an outstanding level. You can't really pick one over the other.
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Sorry for showing up late at the party, but I haven't seen anyone answer it yet. (Maybe that means I'm the only Hungarian here?)
My father was a Honved fan and he adored Puskas so he's definitely a club legend. What is problematic is Honved's fanbase is almost nonexistent nowadays. They were the regime's team in the communist era so following them has some uncomfortable political meaning attached to it.
He's definitely a national team legend though, the greatest we have. Our national stadia is named after him, and his cult is as strong as ever.
Getting over him will not be easy while we produce next to nothing in football. And that has been the case in the last thirty years.
 
jetlee said:
Sorry for showing up late at the party, but I haven't seen anyone answer it yet. (Maybe that means I'm the only Hungarian here?)
My father was a Honved fan and he adored Puskas so he's definitely a club legend. What is problematic is Honved's fanbase is almost nonexistent nowadays. They were the regime's team in the communist era so following them has some uncomfortable political meaning attached to it.
He's definitely a national team legend though, the greatest we have. Our national stadia is named after him, and his cult is as strong as ever.
Getting over him will not be easy while we produce next to nothing in football. And that has been the case in the last thirty years.
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Good to have you around, thanks for the answer.
 
mancan92 said:
Nothing Ronaldo ever did is as bad as what Cantona did on the field. Go read up on Cantona's discipline record. Eric was legitimately a thug
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Just did.

Eric, 484 games, 36 yellows, 6 reds
Ron, 752 games, 107 yellows, 9 reds

what do you make of the above?
 
Barca84 said:
Just did.

Eric, 484 games, 36 yellows, 6 reds
Ron, 752 games, 107 yellows, 9 reds

what do you make of the above?
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Yeah they say that even though they both have had a similar amount of years in football. Ronaldo has played nearly double the amount of games. Do you know why this is?
It's because no manager (even fergie) throughout the whole of Cantona's career could control him. Read up on Cantona before you paint him as some sort of knight. He had a very troubled career with discipline on and off the field.
 
jetlee said:
Sorry for showing up late at the party, but I haven't seen anyone answer it yet. (Maybe that means I'm the only Hungarian here?)
My father was a Honved fan and he adored Puskas so he's definitely a club legend. What is problematic is Honved's fanbase is almost nonexistent nowadays. They were the regime's team in the communist era so following them has some uncomfortable political meaning attached to it.
He's definitely a national team legend though, the greatest we have. Our national stadia is named after him, and his cult is as strong as ever.
Getting over him will not be easy while we produce next to nothing in football. And that has been the case in the last thirty years.
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Great stuff! Thanks for that. It's one of the great tragedies (in a football, not life, context,) the way the Hungarian team has faded from the scene. Any chance of a revival?
 
mancan92 said:
Yeah they say that even though they both have had a similar amount of years in football. Ronaldo has played nearly double the amount of games. Do you know why this is?
It's because no manager (even fergie) throughout the whole of Cantona's career could control him. Read up on Cantona before you paint him as some sort of knight. He had a very troubled career with discipline on and off the field.
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Ok where to start..

Double the amount of games would be 968. Ronnie has, in fact, played at the time of those stats 168 games (circa 35%) more than Eric. 80 odd of those have come at international level.

Which is largely irrelevant as the question concerns "United" legends not who has had the better or more productive career.

SAF did harness Eric's talent, his handling of the Palace incident illustrates this, and Eric's United career stands comparison with pretty boy's (143 games, 64 goals vs 196 games 84 goals over 5 and 6 seasons respectively.

I don't need to read up on Cantona pal because I watched him week in week out as I did with Ronnie. I prefer Eric as a player and as a man. He's a son of Old Trafford in a way that Ronnie will never be for some people..

"I cannot explain it," said Cantona in Manchester United: The Biography. "And I don't want to explain it. It's like love. You know when you are in love, you don't need to explain how you feel or why you feel like that. I think if you want to explain what was going on between me and the United fans, it would take six months. Sometimes it's better not to explain."

There is a spiritual dimension to the relationship between Eric and some fans that goes above and beyond that with most other players including the Real Madrid player Cristiano Ronaldo.
 
Folks are mental on here.

Of course he's a legend, he won the Ballon d'Or whilst playing for us!

People are just making up their own little definition - as they do with terms like 'world class' and others.

Just look at the players who United supporters call legends and ask if Ronaldo put in performances at least on-par with them. He did.

Don't give me the longevity crap. Wes Brown and John O'Shea aren't legends despite playing for years. Ronaldo was at our club for SIX years. Thats a long time in football.
 
Barca84 said:
Ok where to start..

Double the amount of games would be 968. Ronnie has, in fact, played at the time of those stats 168 games (circa 35%) more than Eric. 80 odd of those have come at international level.

Which is largely irrelevant as the question concerns "United" legends not who has had the better or more productive career.

SAF did harness Eric's talent, his handling of the Palace incident illustrates this, and Eric's United career stands comparison with pretty boy's (143 games, 64 goals vs 196 games 84 goals over 5 and 6 seasons respectively.

I don't need to read up on Cantona pal because I watched him week in week out as I did with Ronnie. I prefer Eric as a player and as a man. He's a son of Old Trafford in a way that Ronnie will never be for some people..

"I cannot explain it," said Cantona in Manchester United: The Biography. "And I don't want to explain it. It's like love. You know when you are in love, you don't need to explain how you feel or why you feel like that. I think if you want to explain what was going on between me and the United fans, it would take six months. Sometimes it's better not to explain."

There is a spiritual dimension to the relationship between Eric and some fans that goes above and beyond that with most other players including the Real Madrid player Cristiano Ronaldo.
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What has any of this got to do with his antics. As I said do your research. Cantona had far worst antics off and on the pitch than most players. And for most of his career was a problem for the manager. Leeds also managed to harness his ability the problem is he also always came with problems. Non of this stops the fact that he is a legend. My problem was with your reason for Ronaldo and his "antics" when pretty much all of our legends had serious problems on or off the field which were worst than any of Ronaldo's.
 
Minimalist said:
Folks are mental on here.

Of course he's a legend, he won the Ballon d'Or whilst playing for us!

People are just making up their own little definition - as they do with terms like 'world class' and others.

Just look at the players who United supporters call legends and ask if Ronaldo put in performances at least on-par with them. He did.

Don't give me the longevity crap. Wes Brown and John O'Shea aren't legends despite playing for years. Ronaldo was at our club for SIX years. Thats a long time in football.
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It's not about longevity; it's about him playing almost all of his best football for a team of almost identical stature. He's significantly more associated with Madrid. He decided that Madrid's records meant more to him than United's. It's got to be a two way thing. I don't even see how this is a strange set of criteria, to be honest.

Cantona is pretty much only associated with United, played his best stuff here. He's a legend and he only spent five years at United. So period of time at the club doesn't really come into it - within reason, obviously.

O'shea and Brown are irrelevant to the discussion. Surely there are better examples than that.
 
Speak said:
It's not about longevity; it's about him playing almost all of his best football for a team of almost identical stature. He's significantly more associated with Madrid. He decided that Madrid's records meant more to him than United's. It's got to be a two way thing. I don't even see how this is a strange set of criteria, to be honest.

Cantona is pretty much only associated with United, played his best stuff here. He's a legend and he only spent five years at United. So period of time at the club doesn't really come into it, within reason, obviously.
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How?

Also, why can a player not be legendary for more than one club?
 
mancan92 said:
What has any of this got to do with his antics. As I said do your research. Cantona had far worst antics off and on the pitch than most players. And for most of his career was a problem for the manager. Leeds also managed to harness his ability the problem is he also always came with problems. Non of this stops the fact that he is a legend. My problem was with your reason for Ronaldo and his "antics" when pretty much all of our legends had serious problems on or off the field which were worst than any of Ronaldo's.
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I'll ask one more time. What "antics"? You go do your research and give me a list of these "antics" at United then get back to me. Would you list agitating for a move as "antics"?

Your last sentence is nonsense by the way. Utter nonsense.
 
Barca84 said:
I'll ask one more time. What "antics"? You go do your research and give me a list of these "antics" at United then get back to me. Would you list agitating for a move as "antics"?

Your last sentence is nonsense by the way. Utter nonsense.
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As I said there's a million articles out there I don't even need to show you. Type it simply into Google and you'll see hundreds of articles on his problems. He had been involved in things like spitting, throwing boots at team mates, public attacking of management, punching team mates etc. It literally got so bad he retired from football for a good couple months. Before moving to Leeds.
 
Minimalist said:
How?

Also, why can a player not be legendary for more than one club?
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A player can be. I see no issue with Sporting fans call him a club legend if they want. Or even his old local U12 team. He had to leave Sporting to become what he's become. They know it, he knows it. So they can take some sort of pride in him playing almost all of his peak in Madrid.

Meanwhile, he didn't leave United because he had to. He left because becoming a legend for Madrid, becoming their face clearly meant more to him.
Google Cristiano Ronaldo and see how long it takes to find him in a United shirt, and how many pictures. Now ask yourself whether United are less relevant to football than Madrid. The football world hears Ronaldo and they only think Madrid. A legend would be under little to no doubt from anybody - United fan or not - who knows football. People would hear the name and think of the club.

We are in no doubt that Shearer, Henry, Gerrard are legends for their respective clubs.
Now would Gerrard be a Liverpool legend had he joined Chelsea, played his best football there, broken their records, and become the face of their club?
No chance. Despite Istanbul and West Ham... No chance.

It's not different for me just because Ronaldo left the country.
It's two-way for me. A player cannot be a legend at a club when he so clearly preferred to be seen as a legend elsewhere.
 
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mancan92 said:
As I said there's a million articles out there I don't even need to show you. Type it simply into Google and you'll see hundreds of articles on his problems. He had been involved in things like spitting, throwing boots at team mates, public attacking of management, punching team mates etc. It literally got so bad he retired from football for a good couple months. Before moving to Leeds.
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I know all about that stuff. I asked for a list of his antics at United. None given so we'll leave it at that.

Along with the words of SAF..

"If ever there was one player, anywhere in the world, that was made for Manchester United, it was Cantona," Ferguson said. "He swaggered in, stuck his chest out, raised his head and surveyed everything as though he were asking: 'I'm Cantona. How big are you? Are you big enough for me?'"

One player.
 
Barca84 said:
I know all about that stuff. I asked for a list of his antics at United. None given so we'll leave it at that.

Along with the words of SAF..

"If ever there was one player, anywhere in the world, that was made for Manchester United, it was Cantona," Ferguson said. "He swaggered in, stuck his chest out, raised his head and surveyed everything as though he were asking: 'I'm Cantona. How big are you? Are you big enough for me?'"

One player.
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When did I say Cantona isn't a legend? I said his antics on and off the pitch were far worse than anything Ronaldo did. So it can't be used as a stick to beat Ronaldo with.

At United he still had his moments like spitting at a Leeds fan in his return game, getting sent off 2 games in a row during the 93-94 season which then saw him get a 5 match ban for publicly arguing it, I mean his kick is the reason we lost the title, it even lost him a place in the French squad for the rest of his career. He even handed in a transfer request. The guy was a legend with serious problems. But the truth is all the madness that surrounded him is probably what made him the player he is.
 
It got to the point where Ronaldo (who had just hit the beginning of his peak) probably saw United as a nuisance. Having to wait another year and play for United was probably something of an inconvenience. How many other club legends, for any club, can you say that about?
 
jem said:
Great stuff! Thanks for that. It's one of the great tragedies (in a football, not life, context,) the way the Hungarian team has faded from the scene. Any chance of a revival?
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I'll keep it short here because we're getting off topic.
I don't think so. Problem is a corrupt circle is in charge of our football for the last 15-20 years. They're so far away from the modern football that you just cannot imagine it. Now the government is pumping money into the sport, hoping that it will raise the level of the football played but our national championship is pathetic and our clubs offer zero threat to any half serious teams in Europe.
Sometimes I think it would've been better if we never were any good in the past, because than it would be easier to implement new ideas.
 
Speak said:
It got to the point where Ronaldo (who had just hit the beginning of his peak) probably saw United as a nuisance. Having to wait another year and play for United was probably something of an inconvenience. How many other club legends, for any club, can you say that about?
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I agree with you. I was thinking about an analogy. If Suarez woul've helped Liverpool won them their only PL title and then fecked off to Barcelona would they consider him a legend as well? I know it's a bit different but he also couldn't wait to get out of there and since then he said nothing but positive stuff about Pool.
 


Oh boooooy , it was like yesterday and just thinking how can someone say he is not a legend of ours
 
Minimalist said:
Folks are mental on here.

Of course he's a legend, he won the Ballon d'Or whilst playing for us!

People are just making up their own little definition - as they do with terms like 'world class' and others.
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People just love to be negative. The amount of shit the Co92 get just because they say one sentence someone doesn't like is proof of that.
 
Is Rooney Everton or United legend, or both?
 
MuranoLover said:


Oh boooooy , it was like yesterday and just thinking how can someone say he is not a legend of ours
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Man, that was fun to watch. God be with the days. He was magnificent back then. I must say, as his 'persona' developed, the ego, the preening, the appeals to the ref, the drama, I did fall out of love with him, I mean he was annoying the shit out of me by his final year here, despite his brilliance. That was beautiful, though.
 
United club legend should never celebrate a goal against us. He is not some inexperienced player that got caught in the heat of the moment. If it was a CL finale or even knockout stage maybe I would understand.
He was loyal to SAF, he never showed some special bond with our club and he stayed relatively short so he is not a legend for me.
Superb player regardless.
 
What did he ever do for us other than play a crucial role in us winning a Champions League, multiple Premier League titles and a couple of other trophies, plus gave us a few great memories and goals while winning a Balon D'or with us. Does it actually matter that I have so many happy memories of him, he didn't even stay with us his whole career...

So what if he fired us to the top of European football (scoring 42 goals in one season) and played for us when we played some of the best football we have ever played. Definitely not a legend if he couldn't have even bothered to retire here! If you wanna talk about real legends look at his replacement...Antonio Valencia now that's the guy I wish we had instead of Cristiano all along, loyalty that's what you want.
 
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Amar__ said:
Is Rooney Everton or United legend, or both?
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Why would rooney be an everton legend? He did nothing there really. I'd say hes got a better shout at being a united legend than ronaldo, but still probably ien't.

Law
Best
Charlton
Robson
Scholes
Giggs
Cantona

Thats about it. We've had other great players who fall in the tier below, keane, ronaldo, rooney for example.
 
Valar Morghulis said:
What did he ever do for us other than play a crucial role in us winning a Champions League, multiple Premier League titles and a couple of other trophies, plus gave us a few great memories and goals while winning a Balon D'or with us. Does it actually matter that I have so many happy memories of him, he didn't even stay with us his whole career...

So what if he fired us to the top of European football (scoring 42 goals in one season) and played for us when we played some of the best football we have ever played. Definitely not a legend if he couldn't have even bothered to retire here! If you wanna talk about real legends look at his replacement...Antonio Valencia now that's the guy I wish we had instead of Cristiano all along, loyalty that's what you want.
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Great post :lol:
 
Tough one. How many players left a club like United in their prime for another one they deemed superior and are considered a legend?
Ronaldo also doesn't seem to care much for the club, it seems like he is just connected to SAF.
 
wins us a title almost single-handed. goes on to the best player of all time. has to be a yes (although in a very different way to say Ole-G)
 
VeevaVee said:
People just love to be negative. The amount of shit the Co92 get just because they say one sentence someone doesn't like is proof of that.
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Those guys have had a lot more than 'one sentence' to say.

I think a club legend is usually synonymous with the club. When I think of Ronaldo, I think of Madrid. In that regard, I don't think of him as a United legend.
 
Eric was different. He was the missing link for United. He loved United and United loved him. I think Ronnie only loved himself.
 
I voted for option B, but thinking about it he's probably going to have more appearances and goals for two other clubs than he did for us, so it's definitely a grey area and not clear cut.
 
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