That’s assuming they are being built as well as the current delivery and not instead of them. Where in the feck are we going to find enough construction workers to double the amount of homes we currently build per year by 2026? That’s pure cuckoo land by the soc Dems.
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An interesting but tangential point is that Milton's version of neoliberalism includes so many safety nets, with UBI being one, that is conveniently edited out by almost all of the governments who apply the rest of the theory. What we have is a bastardised version of neoliberalism within a bastardised version of capitalism.
The Soc Dems seem like lovely people and if everything was a bit better I'd have no issue with them running things.
I just chose the Soc Dems as they are the more palatable left.
I like them and would have voted for a candidate if they have one here, but a lot of these smaller parties manifestos are not at all grounded in reality because they know they won’t get into power.
It is worse than that. He also opposed monopolies.
Now he was wrong on housing but he was wrong on lots of stuff. The lots of stuff he was wrong is ironically the kind of stuff that the neoliberal governments continue with.
I don't like his UBI because it is basically a dole solution but it enriches private interests directly. I don't like UBI at all, to be fair. But those who originated neoliberalism, with MF being the most famous, would have to reject the paradigm as it is today or else reject their entire lives' work.
Exactly , their website is like a TY year project.
"The Social Democrats would do everything we can to drive down prices"
Did anyone think of asking them - like what?
What would they have done to drive down the global surge in the price of materials over the last few years? How would they have influenced that?
What would they have done to drive down the price of land on the island? Create more land?
Soundbites. All that's offered is soundbites, nothing actually solutions focused.
You've taken my post well out of context. I don't support them or vote for them. And I definitely don't answer for them.
I wasn't demanding answers from you! Just continued genuine frustration at the shite that is offered as the alternative.
Your frustration is misdirected. Try aiming at the government. A party that size just needs to have a clear mission statement and ideology and statement of intent. At the level they are at, trying to build a base and look to the future that's all that's required of them. Trying to build an alternative to the 100 year duopoly of two almost identical parties is definitely not shite.
A big positive from these few days is that we now have the names and addresses of 5321 people who voted for Gerard fecking Hutch to be in governement.
That feels like useful information to have on hand, for administrative tasks such as allocating police resources and poisoning water supplies.
That feels like useful information to have on hand, for administrative tasks such as allocating police resources and poisoning water supplies.
It is absolutely shite when they have zero means to do what they say they are aiming to do.
So you are against new parties declaring intent because they don't have the means to fix things immediately? That makes no sense.
"Sure would ye all stop your messing and pick FG or FF and just get on with it."
Your not making arguments. Your linking articles with dumb arguments. If you don't want to defend them then why post them in the first place?
That's a pretty disingenuous post. I won't apologise for seeing through shite being spewed by anyone, including FFG talking about fixing crises that they haven't managed to lay a glove on in years. It's no different to calling opposition parties out on crap.
I voted SD ffs
It's not disingenuous at all. Small parties are not expected to be ready to implement solutions, but they need to show their intent. I don't know why it's making you so annoyed. It's not at all comparable to the two political behemoths being asleep at the wheel and feeding us bullshit excuses and false promises.
That party is in its infancy. The future holds many possibilities for them. They are in a building stage, it's be a fecking huge waste of their resources preparing to take over the country. At best they would be the smallest party in a coalition and then their job would be to lobby the party with the controls and therefore the means.
I’m linking articles highlighting that the Austrian situation is a) not comparable and b) flawed in its one way. Nothing more than that. Anyway. Leave me to flounce out in peace. Don’t abuse my argumentative nature.
It is in one respect, and this isn't even aimed at you: it's the government's fault, as you rightly point out, and holding the opposition, whose proposals really are not that mental, to the same level of scrutiny to two parties which have overseen a two decade disaster in housing is just not logical.
No, go to hell!
Interesting to see where parties align and where they don't.
That's very interesting and handy!
That is interesting. Labour’s policies more radical than the Shinners. Didn’t expect that. Also interesting that there’s so much common ground between all of them.
There are a few telling key issues where FG FF are aligned v the rest.
The sooner the better they merge and stop confusing the whole game.
We're on count 12 here in Sligo. Looks all sorted at FG, SF, FF and long serving Independent Marian Harkin to make up the four.
Edit - False alarm ... SF's Martin Kenny's surplus is being distributed but shouldn't change much as he is from the same geographic area as Harkin, which matters out here!
Edit - False alarm ... SF's Martin Kenny's surplus is being distributed but shouldn't change much as he is from the same geographic area as Harkin, which matters out here!
Yeah but how many of them were ‘persuaded’ to vote for him
The Gardaí had most of them already.
Yeah Hutch gave it to them and told them to turn a blind eye.
Irish Times podcast talking through the similarities/differences below. I found it interesting, as I know zilch about housing policy.
If FF / FG go into government together again, what do we think will be the long term implications of that? Surely the left will have to form some sort of political block to break their stranglehold?
Have Martin, Harris & previously Leo scored a massive own goal here? Or more starting in 2020 I guess. Their support base is dwindling, and quite frankly dying off as time passes. In their unbridled hate of SF, they have become one party essentially and how will other parties react to that?
These things often move slowly like a glacier, but 2020 looks like it could have been a watershed moment in Irish politics.
Have Martin, Harris & previously Leo scored a massive own goal here? Or more starting in 2020 I guess. Their support base is dwindling, and quite frankly dying off as time passes. In their unbridled hate of SF, they have become one party essentially and how will other parties react to that?
These things often move slowly like a glacier, but 2020 looks like it could have been a watershed moment in Irish politics.
Not a subject I know a lot about. Is there any further reading on this point?
I do think the rent freeze and eviction bans are pointless and only drive down the number of new rentals that become available. I know of quite a few vacant properties because their owners are waiting for the 2 year vacant home rule to be over so they can increase the rent. The only real way to drive down rental prices is to make more rentals available.
Help to buy is pointless though, the idea of spending loads of the Apple money to increase the fecking thing sickens me and shows how awful FG are. I saw recently that the majority of people who availed of it would have been able to afford their home anyway, and I’m one of those from my first home! I hope it doesn’t happen.
Donnelly losing his seat while the Soc Dems soar in popularity is fecking beautiful.
There's loads. Which bit interests you?
The three players broadly speaking are Keynes, Hayek and Friedman. Keynes being the economist that favoured government involvement in building and managing the welfare state model.
Friedman's 1951 essay is worth reading. It's only short.
Link
This is the paragraph on the governments duty of care to provide safety nets. The dominant theory at the time was much more of a post WW2 strong regulated government and economy for all vibe tracing the instability of the 30s back to the Great Crash which arguably led to WW2. So even Friedman knew that not allowing the poor become too poor was a risk not just to them but to society. So while he believed in the markets, he saw the potential dangers.
"Finally, the government would have the function of relieving misery and distress. Our humanitarian sentiments demand that some provision should be made for those who “draw blanks in the lottery of life”. Our world has become too complicated and intertwined, and we have become too sensitive, to leave this function entirely to private charity or local responsibility. It is essential, however, that the performance of this function involve the minimum of interference with the market. There is justification for subsidizing people because they are poor, whether they are farmers or city-dwellers, young or old. There is no justification for subsidizing farmers as farmers rather than because they are poor. There is justification in trying to achieve a minimum income for all; there is no justification for setting a minimum wage and thereby increasing the number of people without income; there is no justification for trying to achieve a minimum consumption of bread separately, meat separately, and so on."
This is a not very glowing article from the Guardian in 2017 titled The Idea That Changed The World here
The key moments were Chile in 1973, where he convinced the Yanks to 'help' Pinochet undo the regulation of the Chilean economy under the elected left wing governments and install a neoliberal policy.
Thatcher and Reagan embraced it and then I suppose the next big moment was the Clinton/Alan Greenspan era.
In my area the biggest recipient of Gavin Pepper’s transfers was PBP’s Conor Reddy with 631, with SF’s Dessie Ellis next with 530.
Great, Mehole to be the leader once again.
FF/FG may just merge and be done with it.
FF/FG may just merge and be done with it.
Not while they can dupe people into thinking they are separate parties who just transfer votes to each other.