They're a total sell out party. Up North they are practising austerity while down here they cry out when the government do the same thing. The ultimate chameleons.
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They appeal to a lot people unfortunetly man. the future is/might be scary! your kids SF die-hards!!!! 
All that any support for them displays is the level of apathy in this country currently.
Their last budget proposal wasnt even sent to the Dept of Finance to be costed for fecks sake. Yet people lap it up
All that any support for them displays is the level of apathy in this country currently.
Their last budget proposal wasnt even sent to the Dept of Finance to be costed for fecks sake. Yet people lap it up
My brother has been brain washed by them. Let himself get too close and now he's out campaigning.
Tell him to read about the workers party.
It's not my place to convert, but if he's a republican socialist, SF is the last place he should be. Shower of cnuts.
There had been some noise on Twitter about Noonan and banker pay packages ~ What's going on with that?
He's abstaining on a vote that would potentially cut the BOIS ceo pay. He has 15% of the vote, but he's refusing to do it, all the while advocating the slashing of public sector workers
IrelandSaysNo Noonan twitter storm 8pm GMT 23rd April #NoonanBOI
On April 24th 2013 in the Burlington Hotel the Bank of Ireland will be voting at their AGC to retain the current pay structure for overpaid CEO Richie Boucher or to restructure it. Because the Irish government have a 15% stake in the bank Michael Noonan’s vote would count for 15% of the outcome, but Minister Noonan has decided to abstain from voting on this particular issue stating that he is waiting on wage cuts throughout Bank of Ireland to be put in place in the near future.
By abstaining from the vote the Irish States 15% will count as a yes vote, keeping the current pay structure which sees Richie Boucher take approx. €900,000, including company car in 2012 for his role as CEO.
Michael Noonan should be attending that meeting and should be voting NO on behalf of the Irish People who want to see and end of greedy banker’s access to gross salaries and bonuses.
http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2...-vote-on-bank-of-ireland-remuneration-at-agm/
http://i.imgur.com/ghfhzJc.jpg
IrelandSaysNo Noonan twitter storm 8pm GMT 23rd April #NoonanBOI
On April 24th 2013 in the Burlington Hotel the Bank of Ireland will be voting at their AGC to retain the current pay structure for overpaid CEO Richie Boucher or to restructure it. Because the Irish government have a 15% stake in the bank Michael Noonan’s vote would count for 15% of the outcome, but Minister Noonan has decided to abstain from voting on this particular issue stating that he is waiting on wage cuts throughout Bank of Ireland to be put in place in the near future.
By abstaining from the vote the Irish States 15% will count as a yes vote, keeping the current pay structure which sees Richie Boucher take approx. €900,000, including company car in 2012 for his role as CEO.
Michael Noonan should be attending that meeting and should be voting NO on behalf of the Irish People who want to see and end of greedy banker’s access to gross salaries and bonuses.
http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2...-vote-on-bank-of-ireland-remuneration-at-agm/
http://i.imgur.com/ghfhzJc.jpg
That's exactly what they need to do, leftist economics always scare voters so they do need a policy change or swing to the centre somewhat. And yes Adams has the iRA stigma attached that will never go away he should move over and let someone else be the face of the party.
Pearse Doherty over Mary Lou any day though. Even Caoimhin O'Caolain would do.
Exactly this. Pearse seems to be a very very smart man and more importantly very media friendly. I see him as being the future for the party.
Caoimhin O'Caolain should do audiobooks. fantastic voice! pity about what falls out of it!
I completely agree with the sense that the left need to stop all there ideological shite between Trotskyists, Marxists, Anarchists, Social Democrats, and Leninists. And form together to offer a true alternative.
I wouldn't let Eírígi, the Provos, 32csm, OSF, RSM etc near it though. Maybe Eírígi at a push.
You try get the Trots and The Workers Party, Commies, WSM to unite and you'll be waiting a long time, the disdain is so pure and alive that they almost hate each other more than the right.
If the Socialist Party, The Socialist Workers Party, The Workers Party, The James Connolly Society, The Workers Solidarity Movement, Eírígi, and Fís Nua all went under an umbrella campaign, they'd automatically become the third biggest party in the country behind Fine Gael and Fianna Fail.
You wouldn't be able to get Labour on board, or else basically every other left party would leave, and Labout aren't exactly left. The only problem for the electorate there is that it's a lot of revolutionary parties and no real 'Social Democratic' party, besides maybe Fís Nua, who are new and haven't really done anything.
Then you have the factions between The Marxist Leninists (WP, WSM, JCS) and the Trotskyists (SP, SWP) The militantish Eirigi, and ecosocialistic Fís Nua.
If you could manage to get them all in a room together, then you'd have a decent chance of overthrowing the current Government we have, without major bloodshed.
FG and FF are politically identical, but still hold that historical grudge from the pro and anti treaty sides, even though they're two sides of the same coin.
SF who are tying to show themselves as the obvious socialist alternative are nothing but populist scumbags. They hold no position on the political spectrum, and the reason why they split from the likes of the workers party is because they wouldn't give up there guns, they weren't a socialist party, they were a republican party, and that's that.
I really wish that we had a socialist party in Ireland like there is in say France, or even fecking Cuba. So there's a real socialist alternative.
I have a feeling that Gerry Adams split from the Provos in 198 and went with the Continuity IRA.
Adams is a scumbag and I can see right through him. It's not a stigma, it's there for a reason.
Watching VINB tonight, Mary Lou spoke well.
Meh that's your opinion, I'm not saying his hands are clean but he isn't the overlord everyone makes out.
No he's not. I could take a guess at most of the top brass of the Officials, Provisionals and to some extent the continuity IRA in the early 90s.
I'd say he was high enough up there alright.
Gerry Adams, Martin McGuiness and Martin Ferris were all certainly believed to be members of the IRA army council until early/mid noughties, by the both the Irish and British government and journalists in northern Ireland. I think it's also generally believed that both Adams and McGuiness had periods as the Chief of Staff in the 70's, again by both governments, journalist and (most?) historians.
As a politican Adams is actually shocking though. He doesnt go on live debates or anything like that as he been shown up badly on them in the past.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ys-part-of-abortion-legislation-29220735.html
THE draft text of new abortion legislation clearly states there will be six doctors involved in approving a termination where there is a risk of suicide, contrary to the apparent denials of Health Minister James Reilly.
The text of the draft law, obtained by the Irish Independent, refers at least twice to two sets of three consultants – one obstetrician and two psychiatrists – assessing and then reviewing the case.
The proposal for the involvement of six medics is at the centre of an increasingly bitter row within the Coalition.
Although Dr Reilly denied six consultants would be involved in interviewing a suicidal pregnant woman, he failed to clarify that there would be six medics involved in evaluating the case.
Not only are Fine Gael and the Labour Party at loggerheads, but Taoiseach Enda Kenny came under fire from his own backbenchers last night.
A meeting of Fine Gael TDs and senators descended into what sources described as "war" over backbenchers' concerns that they were being sidelined. The Cabinet has appointed a special sub-committee to sort out the differences over the legislation, made up of Dr Reilly and Children's Minister Frances Fitzgerald on the Fine Gael side and junior health ministers Alex White and Kathleen Lynch from Labour.
The working group met last night and was set up following a meeting of nine ministers, including the Taoiseach and Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore on Tuesday night.
Aside from having to be assessed by six consultants, when an application for an abortion is rejected, the appeals process also involves another six consultants.
Earlier this week, Dr Reilly appeared to deny there were proposals to have six consultants involved in the process.
"It is not the case and would never be the case that a woman in a distressed state with suicidal ideation would be subjected to an interview with six different medical people either simultaneously or individually. That was never going to be the case," he said on Monday.
Risk
Dr Reilly failed to mention there would be six consultants in assessing whether an abortion is appropriate.
The draft of the General Scheme of the Protection of Maternal Life Bill 2013 is quite clear there will be six consultants involved.
It outlines the numbers of consultants involved, stating that a procedure will be carried out where:
• "One obstetrician and two psychiatrists have jointly certified that, in their reasonable opinion, there is a real and substantial risk of loss of the pregnant woman's life from self-destruction and this risk can only be averted by medical procedure in the course of which, or as a result of which, unborn human life is destroyed."
• "One obstetrician and two psychiatrists have reviewed the opinion referred to. . . and certified that they are of the same opinion."
• "At least one of the psychiatrists referred to in . . . shall be a perinatal psychiatrist."
The term "jointly certified" means there has to be a unanimous opinion of the three consultants.
Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore promised Labour backbenchers that the controversial abortion legislation will be passed before the Dail's summer break.
At the Fine Gael meeting Mr Kenny and Dr Reilly came under fire from numerous TDs, including European Affairs Minister Lucinda Creighton, who said the parliamentary party was being bypassed.
One TD said the main issue was still the inclusion of suicide as grounds for abortion.
Dublin South TD Peter Mathews was said to have had a "testy" exchange with Mr Kenny when he asked if there would be a free vote on the issue.
Sources said Mr Kenny told Mr Mathews: "You don't know what you're talking about," to which Mr Mathews replied: "You look after yourself Taoiseach, and I'll look after myself."
Yep, it was said it's bullshit, but the legislation points otherwise.
I heard one of the journalists who broke the story on the radio, she pointed out that O'Reilly denied that a woman who was seeking an abortion would be interviewed by six psychologists, not that they would be assessed by them. So it'd be a situation where they assess remotely from a case file as opposed to an interview. Sophistry from O'Reilly. Funny seeing as his personal position is supposedly on the Labour side of the argument rather than the FG side, guess he has to mind himself politically.
He's a slippery fecker.
Really upsets me how they get away with such shite.
Meh you don't like him so you are prone to criticize. Fair dues though he was awful during the debates for Berties last re-election but he handled himself alright last go around. Adams is an extremely intelligent man but even putting the IRA stuff aside he just doesn't come across well in a public forum but I think he is a decent enough politician as in he certainly gets out his vote.
Thought this was a good documentary dunno if you have seen it
I lost any trace of respect for Adams when I read about the stuff about his brother, I thought he handled it appallingly.
Yeah thats understandable, but how do you handle that stuff? Theres no classes for it. I think what was even worse was finding out his oul fella was a fiddler too
Watch Adams first appearance on Rte after the ban on them was lifted. He was on the late late show and outnumbered 5 to 1. Honestly it was am amazing performance and I don't know one other person in the country who could have dealt with it as well as he did. There's a bit where Michael Mcdowell tried to deny there was a problem with policing in NI. Adams tricked him into saying three times that there was a problem. Exceptional debating from a man with zero experience on TV.
Let me get this on record, my views are my own and not necessarily of any of the numerous groups I'm associated with.
Gerry Adams has more in common with me than any Unionist Leader I can think of. The few times I've met him, he's been nothing but pleasant. And as I grow older and more wise I may like him more, or less then I do now.
I've grew up with a deep disdan for the Provisionals, a lot of it justified, some of it maybe not, I've read two or Three of Adams books, and I admire his intellect, and a lot of his views on Republicanism, but I see them as a Nationalist Party, more so than a Republican Party, if that makes sense, I feel that they have been more of a problem, then a solution to the peace process, and that Sin Feinn, along with all the major Unionist Parties, stoke the fire that is Sectarianism, to make it look like they're on the side of the Catholics, and Protestants respectively.
Gerry Adams, I know has reached out to many Loyalist Communities trying to win their votes through 'Class Politics' rather than 'National Politics' and I admire him for that, although I know a few Catholics who have voted for Paisley too.
But taking away all these issues, I view him as a liar, everybody in the world knows that he was a member of the P/C IRA, apart from it seems Gerry Adams, and I feel that he was very high up, or else he would of come clean years ago.
I'd of voted for Hume, ahead of Adams any day.
SF as a political party are just populists, and hold no real policies, other than securing a 32 county republic. Quoting Connolly is all well and good, but I think they'd be more then happy with changing the colour of the flag on Belfast City hall, and forget about the Class Warfare that exists in our society.
Gerry Adams has more in common with me than any Unionist Leader I can think of. The few times I've met him, he's been nothing but pleasant. And as I grow older and more wise I may like him more, or less then I do now.
I've grew up with a deep disdan for the Provisionals, a lot of it justified, some of it maybe not, I've read two or Three of Adams books, and I admire his intellect, and a lot of his views on Republicanism, but I see them as a Nationalist Party, more so than a Republican Party, if that makes sense, I feel that they have been more of a problem, then a solution to the peace process, and that Sin Feinn, along with all the major Unionist Parties, stoke the fire that is Sectarianism, to make it look like they're on the side of the Catholics, and Protestants respectively.
Gerry Adams, I know has reached out to many Loyalist Communities trying to win their votes through 'Class Politics' rather than 'National Politics' and I admire him for that, although I know a few Catholics who have voted for Paisley too.
But taking away all these issues, I view him as a liar, everybody in the world knows that he was a member of the P/C IRA, apart from it seems Gerry Adams, and I feel that he was very high up, or else he would of come clean years ago.
I'd of voted for Hume, ahead of Adams any day.
SF as a political party are just populists, and hold no real policies, other than securing a 32 county republic. Quoting Connolly is all well and good, but I think they'd be more then happy with changing the colour of the flag on Belfast City hall, and forget about the Class Warfare that exists in our society.
The government are making a complete pigs ear of the whole abortion legislation are they.
Pretty obvious that most of them want to be seen sitting firmly on a the fence in the long grass rather doing whats actually right because it might upset some of the more conservative voters.
Pretty obvious that most of them want to be seen sitting firmly on a the fence in the long grass rather doing whats actually right because it might upset some of the more conservative voters.
At the same time they want it done quickly, none of them want to endure a summer of pro-life and pro-choice campaigners hectoring them. I suppose it's hardly a surprise this is causing difficulty, abortion has always been a dangerous issue in Irish politics and now we're looking at the most socially conservative of the mainstream parties being essentially forced into doing something about it. I guess it was too much to expect smooth sailing.
Agree with the parts in bold 100%. Sinn Fein are unelectable in the Rebublic while Adams is the leader, they need a leadership that is untainted by association with terrorism. Once that happens their innate populism will make them quite electable as they will abandon any principles that no longer suit them. A SF/FF government would be a disaster but is the most likely "alternative" to the current government.
Yep, they're the greens of nationalism.
From reading through Govt Documents, a friend has noticed that we currently spend 9 million euro a year on ex ministers pensions.
“The continued payment of these pensions to former ‘public servants’ while the most vulnerable are having their services cut is obscene. The amount that will be saved if a special levy is introduced to bring these pensions down to the standard state pension will not sort out the economy but will set a moral example.”
“The continued payment of these pensions to former ‘public servants’ while the most vulnerable are having their services cut is obscene. The amount that will be saved if a special levy is introduced to bring these pensions down to the standard state pension will not sort out the economy but will set a moral example.”
At a protest ourside the FF conference, a 'young Fianna Failer' actually threw a coin at the demonstrators saying 'here, do you need money'!!
Forgot to say that I got my first anti abortion leaflet yesterday from some group I never heard of and know nothing about. Full of exaggeration and scare mongering. Why would anyone believe stuff like this from anonymous sources?
Irwin, would you take a picture of this, or tell me where you got it. Or even send it on to me and I'll pass it on. You'd be very surprised with who believes this tripe.
Binned out yesterday mate sorry. I'm pretty sure they were called something like The Connaught Pro - life group.
Cheers, cnuts.
I'll see if anyone I know in Galway got the same message.
I'll see if anyone I know in Galway got the same message.
Odd comment. You're basically agreeing with me. Hes not a fit politician to lead a politicl party imo.
My opinion on him doesnt matter its obvious his "leadership" is holding the party back.
What I dislike in a major way is the fact he gets wheeled around GAA clubs basking in former "glories" which fly in the face of his parties current political stance. Obviously he had a part to play in the peace process but given his past its like giving praise to a french translator for speaking french!
Much worse is that generations of kids are exposed to this shite. Glorifying a past most rational people want to forget and move on from.
I suppose it pays the bills though eh?