It was totally pointless, he was already winning the debate against Wallace yet he couldn't resist getting the dig in. I'm no fan of Wallace but the idea of the Minister for Justice using this kind of information for political purposes is much more worrying than some unimportant TD skating on a road traffic infringement. Zero point in trying to discredit Wallace anyway as he's already done irreparable damage to his own reputation, so why bother? Typical of Shatter though, by all accounts he has quite a obnoxious/arrogant/argumentative manner. He just couldn't resist...
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It was totally pointless, he was already winning the debate against Wallace yet he couldn't resist getting the dig in. I'm no fan of Wallace but the idea of the Minister for Justice using this kind of information for political purposes is much more worrying than some unimportant TD skating on a road traffic infringement. Zero point in trying to discredit Wallace anyway as he's already done irreparable damage to his own reputation, so why bother? Typical of Shatter though, by all accounts he has quite a obnoxious/arrogant/argumentative manner. He just couldn't resist...
Shatter's going to take people down with him, it's brilliant.
No such thing as a debate with that crowd.
I guess. His message was praised and spread around though.
I don't understand how these people are taken seriously by the people. Like who votes for them?
Shatter is in Dublin south. The area that contains the most people of Jewish origin. Whilst Shatter himself is Jewish.
I don't think I've disliked a TD as much, since James Reilly.
Shatter is in Dublin south. The area that contains the most people of Jewish origin. Whilst Shatter himself is Jewish.
I don't think I've disliked a TD as much, since James Reilly.
What's Jewish got to do with it?
Not sure if he was being anti Semitic or just rationalizing how Shatter got voted in. I would imagine the latter.
Aye reading it again that looks like what he meant.
By all accounts Shatter is a complete wanker, although not quite as complete as Phil Hogan.
Being a wanker is one thing, being stupid enough to do what he did and see nothing wrong with it takes a special kind of stupidity.
Being a wanker is one thing, being stupid enough to do what he did and see nothing wrong with it takes a special kind of stupidity.
That's the thing, even the people who support Shatter think he's an asshole. Apparently if you talk to his fellow cabinet Ministers off the record they all say he's an arrogant prick, but they put up with it because they think he's very competent (unlikely Reilly who they see as being totally out of his depth). Apparently Shatter is a very efficient Minister and has reformed the legal system in the way everyone wished Reilly would do for the HSE. All of which is fine, except Shatter's manner has already pissed off the Judges, the Guards and now his fellow TDs. It's all well and good getting stuck in to your brief but your manner is important too, you have to try and keep people onside or you'll just end up facing more and more resistance.
So to engage in this kind of pointless political attack is unbelievably unnecessary, though totally in keeping with his character.
So to engage in this kind of pointless political attack is unbelievably unnecessary, though totally in keeping with his character.
It's the latter
It's the same reason a lot of politicians get elected, not because of their policies, but their connections and being connected to an organisation be it a church/sports club/pub landlord it doesn't matter.
I'm all for people from all backgrounds being represented!
If I had to pick the 10 TDS I can't stand the most, I'd struggle with drawing the line.
James Reilly
Leo Varadker
Alan Shatter
Gerry Adams
Enda Kenny
Micheal Martin
Cahterinne Lynch
Pat Rabbitte
Desie Ellis
Catherine Murphy
James Reilly
Leo Varadker
Alan Shatter
Gerry Adams
Enda Kenny
Micheal Martin
Cahterinne Lynch
Pat Rabbitte
Desie Ellis
Catherine Murphy
Depends if you take how objectively good/bad they are into account. Of that list Shatter is the most obnoxious, but James Reilly is an unbelievably terrible minister as well as being pretty damn obnoxious. Plus someone like Gerry Adams is kinda in a different category, he has totally different dimensions you can hate him on compared to the rest. I assume someone like Michelle Mulherin gets left off the list for the comic value she provides? Then you have the likes of Lowry...
A more interesting/challenging list would be the TDs you like/rate/think are competent.
They missed out because of my semi-personal relationships with a few of the people in my list.
Mulherin is a laugh.
I hate him. But I can't just have all ex party members in it.
No, I don't like Gerry Adams.
No, I don't like Gerry Adams.
Joan Burton is my No1 hate figure if I was doing up that list.
If I had to pick the 10 TDS I think are the sexiest I wouldn't struggle at all with drawing the line.
1. Mary Lou Mc Donald by a country mile
2. Lucinda Creighton
3. Clare Daly
4. Nicky McFadden
5. Michelle Mulherin
6. Ann Phelan
7. Mary Mitchell O'Connor
8. Anne Ferris
9. Ciara Conway
10. Regina Doherty
1. Mary Lou Mc Donald by a country mile
2. Lucinda Creighton
3. Clare Daly
4. Nicky McFadden
5. Michelle Mulherin
6. Ann Phelan
7. Mary Mitchell O'Connor
8. Anne Ferris
9. Ciara Conway
10. Regina Doherty
Jesus. We're really not blessed are we.
That's the worst list ever. I'd ride Kenny before the half of those.Ten favorite TDS.
Patrick Nulty - Labour
Seán Kenny - Labour
Joan Collins - Trots
Richard Boyd Barrett - Trots
Clare Daly - United Left
Joe Higgins - Trots
Ming Flanagan - Independent
John Halligan - Independent. Ex Workers Party member, shame he left.
Mick Wallace - Crook, but hilarious, mental case
Tommy Broughan - Labour
I have issues with almost all of them though, bar Nulty.
There actually isn't that many alternatives that are better.
I'm bored & people should be able to see the runners and riders:
10. Regina Doherty (nothing much to say here other than most female td's look like bored hausfraus)
9. Ciara Conway (the smile says take me now, but the eyes say 'to KFC')
8. Anne Ferris
7. Mary Mitchell O'Connor (cold, dead eyes of a killer)
6. Ann Phelan
5. Michelle Mulherin (let's be honest here, she really could do with a good dickin')
4. Nicky McFadden (like a culchie Medusa)
3. Clare Daly (straight from the crypt by the looks of it)
2. Lucinda Creighton (you would)
1. Mary Lou McDonald (gamine little mynx)
9. Ciara Conway (the smile says take me now, but the eyes say 'to KFC')
8. Anne Ferris
7. Mary Mitchell O'Connor (cold, dead eyes of a killer)
6. Ann Phelan
5. Michelle Mulherin (let's be honest here, she really could do with a good dickin')
4. Nicky McFadden (like a culchie Medusa)
3. Clare Daly (straight from the crypt by the looks of it)
2. Lucinda Creighton (you would)
1. Mary Lou McDonald (gamine little mynx)
Conway Mulherin and Mcfadden
I've said those exact words about Mulherin, she needs to be ridden like there's no tomorrow.
She's a fecking joke at this point. Will still get voted in though because half the electrote are equally moronic.
She's a bigoted neolib shite talker.
I bet she's been in a bad orgy and wants to stop the rest of us from having fun.
I bet she's been in a bad orgy and wants to stop the rest of us from having fun.
Neoliberalism the bastard child of progressives and money hungry capitalists ...shudders
New Milward Brown Pol 18th May 2013 - FF 26%, FG 23%, SF 19%, Labour 12%, Others 18%
Christ, can you imagine what a FF-SF government would be like? I can count the broken promises from here...
FF and SF will almost certainly lose support in an actual election though, still looks to me like it'll be a FG-Labour government next time, albeit a much reduced one. Oh joy.
The one positive is the 'others' which one can presume is Leftist dominated.
If anything, they should actually show the other parties standings.
I'd imagine Socialist/Socialist workers has about 8% of that, Greens/Fis Nua on 3 percent with fringe republican on 2% Communists/Anarchists on 1% and the workers party at 1% and Independents on 3%
If anything, they should actually show the other parties standings.
I'd imagine Socialist/Socialist workers has about 8% of that, Greens/Fis Nua on 3 percent with fringe republican on 2% Communists/Anarchists on 1% and the workers party at 1% and Independents on 3%
FF will be in power after the next election. Their loyal voters haven't disappeared you know. They just gave them a kick in the arse last time.
Yep. They'll get in on a small majority. Most likely the only difference being SF being ahead of Labour.
Maybe, but I don't think those polls are showing that. When a poll is taken at this stage in a government's lifetime the oppsition parties recieve artificially high levels of support as an expression of dissatisfaction with the current government. Once it comes to a general election, where people have to actually choose a new government rather that expressing satisfaction with a party, the government parties will recieve a boost in support. At the moment I can't see FF maintaining a lead over FG through an election campaign, 3% really isn't enough of a lead.
FF haven't lost two consecutive elections since their formation.
''I have the deepest sympathy for women how have to carry the baby to term when there's no chance of survival for the baby''
''But it is not possible to change this in the constitution, nor in this statute''
Our health minister
''But it is not possible to change this in the constitution, nor in this statute''
Our health minister
Is he wrong though? I didn't think it was possible to go any further than we currently are without a referendum, that's one of the points being used to calm the pro-Life leaning backbenchers.
then have one.
How likely would it be to pass though? They're having enough difficulty legislating for something that was already approved in the 90's, a further referendum would have no guarantee of success. Better to finally get this through and then campaign for another referendum when sufficient support has been garnered. It's interesting to note that the people who have primarily been calling for a new referendum are the pro-life campaigners, it'd give them yet another chance to have the X ruling defeated. Why run the risk at this stage when we've yet to implement the change we've already won? Safer to take it one step at a time to ensure success.