They have their fair-share of stupid, but a lot of them are Russian bots.
Iran v US confrontation
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You didn't really answer the question though.
Welcome to 2020.
He's a hero to some, his role in preventing ISIS from breaching our borders is vital. He won't be going anywhere anytime soon, and even if he does Hezbolla aren't going anywhere
You keep on cheering for the Americans who have been so good for the Middle East
Best case for who?
The crux of this is that the Iranian govt wants nukes and is prepared to do what ever it takes to get them.
The rest of the world don't want Iran to have nukes.
The USA is prepared to hold sanctions on Iran until it gives up its aim to have nukes and thinks it can force the issue economically.
The Iranian govt is in trouble for the first time domestically because the economic hardship is forcing a wedge between it leadership and the people who are paying the cost of its desire to have nukes and oppose the US by spending billions on proxy forces across the middle east.
When sanction go on the US got the blame but as the economic damage mounts it is inevitable that people question whether its all worth it to them. The Iranian govt is in a bind if they can't escalate this further they are in danger of falling, you can't keep shooting thousands of people to stay in power and expect to remain popular unless you can show your external policy is working. So they attack Saudi's oil facilities and the US embassy.
So the US kill the two most senior generals who made that decision.
Best out come for the US is the Iranian regime falls.
Best outcome for Iran is US overreach and ends up changing its policy following massive casualties because that is the only way they will change their policy on Iranian nukes.
Best outcome for the rest of the world depends on whether you could live with several nuclear powers in the middle east or not.
The replies to this tweet are frightening. These people don't care who has been killed or how/why, just that America is asserting it's dominance and they're proud of it. I can't tell who is a troll and who isn't.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/qassem-suleimani-killed-baghdad-airport_n_5e0e958fc5b6b5a713b7ffac
Iranian Commander Qassem Soleimani Assassinated By U.S. In Baghdad Airstrike
Soleimani was one of the most powerful figures in the Mideast. The U.S. confirmed it targeted the general in a monumental escalation toward Iran.
Iranian Commander Qassem Soleimani Assassinated By U.S. In Baghdad Airstrike
Soleimani was one of the most powerful figures in the Mideast. The U.S. confirmed it targeted the general in a monumental escalation toward Iran.
Consider those people the "Trump Rally" attendees. They support him no matter what no questions asked ALWAYS. Those are the type of people you know to stay away from and watch out for at least. Because, they are crazy
I was thinking best case scenario from a humanist perspective, least amount of conflict, least amount of death. But I take the point that any outcome that doesn't resolve the nuclear issue may be just kicking the can down the road.
A lot of them are indeed bots or the same person with multiple accounts. I monitor a lot of news and social media sites and it's fascinating to see how the same person pops up everywhere or a lot of them use the same writing style, or when you link back to their Twitter or other social media account you can tell the whole thing was set up just to stir the pot on one very particular part of the political hemisphere. I'd love to think I'm being too much of a conspiracy theorist there but when you also have the world's most renowned intelligence services, academics and media all reporting on these issues and Facebook and Twitter don't even deny it - there is only one conclusion to make. There are also several sites in existence with scripts that analyze those comments and accounts for legitimacy without human review involved - kind of like what fakespot did for product reviews - though there some of the fake reviewers have caught on on how to phrase differently to not be flagged as fake. It's probably not too difficult to defeat an algorithm once you know what it looks for.
I haven't heard anyone around me so far say anything about this killing. Most Americans don't give a shit about a person that until now they never heard of before. The Bin Laden capture/killing was an entirely different thing and did legitimately fire up people to be very pro USA - which you can't truly blame them for given what he s been responsible for on our own soil.
Again - the man killed was bad news and in some ways he probably deserved his fate- I just our people would recognize though that this is not just a go Trump go USA thing. There is a reason why even all the proclaimed "fake news" doesn't criticize what happened (much)- and Dems are generally quiet about it as well. The whole platform of keeping America out of other countries' problems and spending those dollars on the American people instead has time and again proven to be a lie by both Rs and Ds.
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Still a lot of Nationalism in America, Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. I mean take a look at their gun policy.
Gun policy discussion aside - I am glad you said nationalism and not patriotism. Europeans or those who have studied both world wars will recognize the difference. It's a lesson some here have yet to learn. I wish that lesson would come sooner - as it seems our society has dropped patriotism for nationalism and tribalism.
You try to write something on your phone when off road at night with a maniac driver complaining about the lack of snow.
U.S is not world police. Mind their own business they should.
Im from Northern Ireland so I understand the difference Nationalism, completed tribalism is a pretty toxic mix.
I suspect this will increase proxy wars in the region. I don't think Iran will openly respond to the assassination.
Israel or Iraq gave them the info.
Bullshit, European countries would be well able to defend themselves if itever came down to it. Just because they don't go around with a big military hard on like the US. When was the last war they won? All the US military do is bring chaos to regions that require proper negotiations. Except the Navy, I believe they serve a global purpose but the rest, no.
Israel has praised the attack saying the u.s has the right to defend itself.
Trump personified in a country!
Trump personified in a country!
American voters have fecked us.
Is there perhaps, too much emphasis being placed on these apparent sequential incidents?
Was Soleimani just caught out in a place where he should not have been (allegedly involved in organising anti-USA riots in Iraq)? Had the US taken the opportunity to show how quickly they could respond to their Contractors death, and to back up their assertion that Iran was behind the riots in Iraq, and finally striking a lethal blow to Iran's upper military echelons. Some might call it a good day at the office?
Was Soleimani just caught out in a place where he should not have been (allegedly involved in organising anti-USA riots in Iraq)? Had the US taken the opportunity to show how quickly they could respond to their Contractors death, and to back up their assertion that Iran was behind the riots in Iraq, and finally striking a lethal blow to Iran's upper military echelons. Some might call it a good day at the office?
Of course Israel as praised it.
It's the reddit and online dumb pseudo liberals who started smearing Hillary as "just as bad as trump". Not to mention people who voted Gary Johnson instead of Hillary because Bernie didn't get nominated. Those people are just as much to blame. It could have easily gone Hillary's way and it wouldn't have been a total mess.
Iran caught with its pants down for sure here.
It was a coup.
One of the most unfortunate things here is that the fact Donnie Trump Jr basically announced the strike in a now deleted tweet that caused defense contractor stocks to spike, even when the need to knows who are actually in our government were not informed beforehand. That reeks of something highly illegal. That in some ways should be the real focus here.
Insider trading based on this administrations announcements is probably the one major reason why so many investors and corporations don't mind this POTUS - the corporate lobby/investors are loving it. No regulatory control, and a WH that works directly in their interests to line their pockets. All while education, infrastructure and healthcare is increasingly unaffordable and broken.
Insider trading based on this administrations announcements is probably the one major reason why so many investors and corporations don't mind this POTUS - the corporate lobby/investors are loving it. No regulatory control, and a WH that works directly in their interests to line their pockets. All while education, infrastructure and healthcare is increasingly unaffordable and broken.
John Bolton left just before the party started.
Eric Trump Tweeted about it too. Lindsay Graham also admitted he's known it was coming for a few days.
As usual though feck all will happen to the Trumps
If Hillary had been elected, none of this would be happening right now as the US would never have left the nuclear deal, nor any other decent agreement for that matter.
Congress can't do shit. We have seen that over the last 3 years.
*The electoral college
I really dislike when people claim that she would've been worse, particularly on this specific issue. It's so unlikely that she would've ever pulled out of the deal.
I find that he has suffered the greatest injustice in all of this.
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@2cents or others with some insight: will this also affect Jordan? I'm supposed to be there at the end of March, I just realised - not sure how keen I'll be if there are proxy wars going on the region, but I thought that Jordan mostly kept out of that?
Yeah, my colleague has booked flights to Jordan at the end of the February for the family trip today, so was wondering the same?
Enjoy Jordan, it’s a great country to visit as a tourist and it’s extremely unlikely that the brewing conflict will spill over there.