What do you not understand by "an agreement" ?
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What do you not understand by "an agreement" ?
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/Iranian-View-of-Israel/387085/
Sometimes, it's too easy to defeat pseudo-intellectuals in an argument.
You're on some point which is irrelevant. Think I've been clear that the Trump administration is causing the current turmoil but that this doesn't absolve Iran on every point. They still are a threat in the region, if not by their own arms then by proxy. Hence it's understandable for Dems to see Iranians as a threat yet oppose any direct military action against them.
Ignore that post. I've been mixing up threads today
Edit : just had a quick read back through the thread, of all the quotes (translated) you posted only Khamenei has any authority and his quotes don't say anything about wiping Israel off the earth.
True! coudl you tell me the capital of Hezbollah?
Lets talk about Capitalism an US bullying the entire region. Capital of capitalism?
Is difficult to be involved in more countries than US when they had been involved in every single war in the area direct or indirect. And is at thousands of km from US
Is very cheap to accuse Iran to be a thread for the peace and to destabilize the area when US had been doing that to Iran since the Sha. And don't compare what the US did to the area with th GUlf wars, Syria, Egypt even lately with Turkey and the lira, Yemen, sourcing Saudi Arabia and Israel, Afghanistan with all the lies and etc... with whatever terrorist acts that Hezbollah caused. Simply not comparable
Umm...
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” (2001)
Not really sure that there is much wiggle room there. He even refers to it as "the mission".
I think Israel's official US embassy replied to that with an image + "why are you so obsessed with me" caption. It's childish stuff.
Yup it's the first tweet that shows up, weird response.
I mean...you'd expect all sides to be approaching it with some sort of officialness-feeling to it, or very diplomatic/rational. But when embassies are using memes and official leaders are beefing on Twitter...feels all very un-official.
They’ve been saying that for at least 20 years and probably more if my memory could stretch accurately to such detail.
an agreement is not irrelevant. Or clearly you do not understand what that means.
Address that first.
Secondly. The main threats in the middle east are Saudi Arabia and the current Israeli regime.
I feel like we re getting more "un-official" every day - which makes the nostalgic Trump voters even more laughable. Public discourse has gone to shit with every day that man is in the WH.I mean...you'd expect all sides to be approaching it with some sort of officialness-feeling to it, or very diplomatic/rational. But when embassies are using memes and official leaders are beefing on Twitter...feels all very un-official.
That type of rhetoric has been going on for decades. They have been saying Death to the USA too. Yet the US came to an agreement with Iran about nukes.
The point is we need diplomacy to keep going on. The alternative is death of many. That is Not acceptable.
Trump's diplomacy is to throw a grenade.
Panetta said that. And that is why we are here.
War is good business for Arms manufacturers.
TV Ratings
Politicians who get to distract voters while they are shitting on them domestically.
What do you want me to say, that the Trump administration reneged on the nuclear deal? Ya they did, no one is debating this point, hence why it is irrelevant. Clearly that has led to the current turmoil. If the US attacks Iran, it will be Trump's fault.
The second point is your opinion. I would agree that Netanyahu and the Ayatollah are equally dangerous to peace, think that Saudi Arabia would be too scared to act without US backing though.
Newsflash:
The US is committing genocide in Yemen on behalf of Saudi Arabia.
MBS commits murders and the current Trump administration waves it away.
Why?
Money.
Who is afraid of whom?
EDIT:
Its not just my opinion.
Instead of simply consuming Corporate news, follow the money.
The problem I have with Ike is, more than any president before him, and most after him, he empowered the military industrial complex. It's like in the final minutes he had a crisis of conscious, realized what he'd unleashed and decided to warn about it. After he turned it into a monster
Not defending the US here they have been responsible for a lot of the mess in the ME, but Iran have been sending their proxies in most of these conflicts too it's not just Hezbollah.
A vacancy is better than a feckstain of a human being in Rumsfeld.
Most of the countries of US in the middle East are proxies or viceversa in the middle east. We are talking about countries, and rich ones. Not organization as Hezbollah
US organized a coup to put the Shah in Iran
US lied to invade Afghanistan
US lied to invade Iraq
US armed the "rebels" in Syria
US broke a international treaty signed by the biggest powers in the world with Iran.
US is supporting Saudi Arabia on the unjust war against Yemen with catastrophic results
And that without putting Israel support into the mix
Comparing that to Hezbollah and Iran proxys is LAUGH-A-BLE. IN any single of the events. You might not defend the US, but the asymmetry on the comparison is more than unfair. You can't put it on the same level
And believe me. Iran can't be let lose, but that is what the treaty was achieving. and breaking it and this constants provocations and the narrative that had been building up, is terrible for the region and that is solely US fault, not Iran that was complying
You're preaching to the converted mate.
But you fail to acknowledge Iran have been meddling in the Syria, Iraq and Yemen civil wars too.
And Afghanistan.
Which countries don't meddle in there own neighborhood ? Saudis, qatar, turks, israel all are meddling in the middle east but somehow if iran does it they are the big bad monsters!
Every country that wants to dominate meddles in other countries. There aren't many neutral countries like Switzerland!
It is being reported that Trump seemingly gave the order to bomb and then pulled back at the last second.
This all happened because the orange buffoon reneged on an international deal that the other signatory was complying with and which other world powers have proved incapable of protecting.
Trump and the USA are genuinely fecking infuriating. I cannot believe this is happening.
This all happened because the orange buffoon reneged on an international deal that the other signatory was complying with and which other world powers have proved incapable of protecting.
Trump and the USA are genuinely fecking infuriating. I cannot believe this is happening.
Iran is surrounded by enemies. They have a right to meddle when Saudi Arabia openly fund islamists all over the shop. Turkey has openly backed terrorist forces that are killing the Kurds, who are backed by the west. Then look at Libya where all sorts of Gulf air forces are bombing groups on the ground. Sudan and Somalia too.
Obviously Iran funds and arms organisations who are opposed to the others funded by their enemies. They’ve done a decent job of keeping their borders relatively safe - only Balochistan in the south is giving them actual trouble.
Completely missing the point like others, every state has their own interests in the region, but let's not pretend Iran has never taken part in any nefarious activities either.
Nice whataboutery. Doesn't make any side innocent
Double checking the passport they found floating in the sea was actually Iranian.
Iran is directly responsible for deaths of half a million syrians civilians by propping Assad.
Is it just me or do any other of you think of drones about the size of a pizza?
If you want to play that game then what do you think the count of other countries is?
This size. Only this one I got my son for xmas doesn't work. Think it needs a bigger runway.
Nice pavers.This size. Only this one I got my son for xmas doesn't work. Think it needs a bigger runway.
I think your drone is missing a few parts.
Those surveillance drones are basically heavy telescopes with a bunch of sensors that take pictures of earth from high altitude, the one Iran shot down appears to be a massive unit.
https://www.wired.com/story/iran-global-hawk-drone-surveillance/
https://www.wired.com/story/iran-global-hawk-drone-surveillance/
So your response to Iranians destroying Syria is to claim a whataboutery.
That's a bit of a stretch.