Harbhajan is an idiot. I wouldn't be sorry to see the back of him. Indian cricket is better for the loss of morons like him and Sreesanth. Anyway, great series, eh?
India vs. Australia
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I can say the same to you.
For all his ability, Ponting has been and will always be a total cnut as a person on field, so please dont take his word as gospel truth.
Racist comment or not, it all comes down to one simple fact; the Aussies cannot handle it when someone confronts them. When they were dominating world cricket and winning everything in sight, the arrogant attitude and the sledging was acceptable to an extent but now they only make themselves look like sore losers. This series has been proof enough that everytime someone was doing well (Laxman in one test and Gambhir in the other) they somehow managed to get into and argument with them.
My dear god you're thick.
I'm taking it you didn't actually watch the video there...
And your last part it totally irrelevant, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact our boys don't like it when someone confronts them. How you can mix racism up with champion batting is beyond me.
Hope your rock's big enough for a few other in-denial tits that're in this thread.
I long for the days when you couldn't get ponting out in a test match untill he had scored at least 120. About 3 years ago. When he had that 'illegal bat' wit hthe carbon fibre.
Its a nothing trophy anyway, we played our kids. We all know we are waiting for the ashes which, other then the world cup, is the best (cricket) competition of all.
Its a nothing trophy anyway, we played our kids. We all know we are waiting for the ashes which, other then the world cup, is the best (cricket) competition of all.
Mate we don't have any kids, which is the problem in the first place! Though our selectors made some horrible decisions, and we played some inexperienced players (which is no excuse by the way).
We're in for a bit of a struggle in the upcoming years when Hayden, Ponting and co retire.
We're in for a bit of a struggle in the upcoming years when Hayden, Ponting and co retire.
I was kidding.
No. I posted and then your post got stuck inbetween and I then edited to make it clear.
I did watch the video and there is nothin there that suggests he said anything except for Hayden claiming he did and i am not willing to take his word.
As far as my last comment goes, it was in no way meant to say that racism is acceptable. It is just that the Aussie's way of playing cricket is that they are allowed to say or do anything they want and everyone should take their shit. When anyone reacts, they all gang up and pounce on him. The way the all ganged up against Gambhir this series is a prime example.
I didnt really understand what you meant by champion batting and how you deduced that i mixed racism with it is beyond me.
They aren't allowed to do or say what they want. An Australian player racially abusing an Indian player would have been dealt with very harshly indeed. And it seems that it is players and teams from the subcontinent that are getting away with blue murder e.g. only 1 game for Gautam Gambhir, racism being ignored or punished with a slap on the wrist, ball tampering ignored when the Indian or Pakistan cricket authorities kick up a fuss, the ICC allowing Darrell Hair to be scapegoated for Pakistan's behaviour at the Oval and reinventing the rules to accommodate Sri Lankan bowlers chucking.
Yes. It is obviously Australia that gets away with stuff.
Yes. It is obviously Australia that gets away with stuff.
For the start Ganguly is a better cricketer than Mark Waugh. Last time I checked he has had a test career comparable to Waugh and in one dayers he is a far better batsman than Waugh ever was.
As Gavaskar summed it few days back. Ganguly's record in test matches fell shot but his ODI record stands great. Only Richards, Tendulkar, Lara and Jaysurya were better in the limited version of game, be it in MOM awards, hitting over the top or carrying the bat through the innings.
Then I pity you, because you are in fact an idiot.
How the feck did Mark Waugh come into this?
Oh, I see. You're playing the whole 7 year old's 'Oh yeah, well my favourite is better than yours!' game.
And for the record, Waugh had more talent than pretty much anyone Australia's produced, aside from Warne, for many years. The fact he was a laconic lazy bastard meant he never fulfilled said potential.
Personal comments huh? how mature!
I dont think i want to have any sort of discussion/argument with you anymore because you clearly dont know how to have one.
I agree off-field India maybe getting away with stuff but on the field behaviour of some of the Aussie's is unacceptable. Like Dhoni said sometime back, Aussie's have mastered the art of sledging and do it in such a way that they get away with anything.
By the way, what more punishment did you think Gambir should have got for the incident and more importantly what is your opinion on the way watson first lifted his hand upto Gambir face when he ran for the first run in the same incident. 10% match fee fine for provocation and a 1 test ban for reaction?
Like i said, the Aussie's have mastered the art of sledging and do it in such a way that they get away with it. Our guys are yet to learn it and that is why they get pulled up.
Why would you ban him for more than 1 game? He did something stupid and got what he deserved. It was a nothing incident, not more than 1 match.
Seems very light for a physical assault in cricket.
Personal comments huh? how mature!
I dont think i want to have any sort of discussion/argument with you anymore because you clearly dont know how to have one.
Haha, well you are being thick and ignorant.
And we're not having an arguement, arguements go both ways... You haven't actually brought up any points aside from 'well I'm not taking Haydens word.'
Quite clearly the proof is there in our players reactions, let alone Tendulkar's.
Sledging is fine.
Racism within sledging is not.
There's nothing to 'get away with' in telling someone their shot was shite, or that they're shit, or that they're a wanker.
Racism within sledging is not.
There's nothing to 'get away with' in telling someone their shot was shite, or that they're shit, or that they're a wanker.
What Gambhir did was stupid and quite clearly wrong, but hardly an assault...
I can't quite decide whether or not I find it humorous, in that it was such a pissy attempt at being a big man; especially when considering he was batting like a champion at the time. As the old saying goes - let your bat do the talking.
Or that it was just downright wrong and he should be punished - it's not the point, it's the principle.
I can't quite decide whether or not I find it humorous, in that it was such a pissy attempt at being a big man; especially when considering he was batting like a champion at the time. As the old saying goes - let your bat do the talking.
Or that it was just downright wrong and he should be punished - it's not the point, it's the principle.
I agree. Cricket was a gentleman's game before they introduced sledging and what not. Overall, they've never shown any class. Horrible lot.
Bodyline.
Served them right.
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This whole Racism thing was Symonds word against Harbhajans. There was no one else there to say with 100% guarantee that they heard Harbhajan say. Even Hayden was not that close to be 100% sure. He is just going by what Symonds claims. So unless you have more proof of anything being said, all i can say is innocent until proven guilty.
As far as Tendulkar goes, how do you know that he was not trying to get Hrabhajan to stop talking because he didnt want Harbhajan to lose his concentration?
There are too many blurry lines here but you are not willing to see it because your taking the word of Symonds/Hayden to be gospel truth.
The reason i am defending Harbhajan here is because when provoked he is more like to swear/abuse than call Symonds a monkey for the simple reason that for us Indian's, monkey is just another animal and we dont relate it to skin colour. In India its the same as calling someone a pig, a dog or a donkey.
I just saw the video.. the Australian team are a bunch of drama queens, aren't they?
"It's racial villification mate"
"Go tell him, tell him the Australians are unhappy"
And the comments they've been coming out with over the past 3 weeks have been cringeworthy.
"It's racial villification mate"
"Go tell him, tell him the Australians are unhappy"
And the comments they've been coming out with over the past 3 weeks have been cringeworthy.
I just saw the video.. the Australian team are a bunch of drama queens, aren't they?
"It's racial villification mate"
"Go tell him, tell him the Australians are unhappy"
And the comments they've been coming out with over the past 3 weeks have been cringeworthy.
Haha, so you're condoning racism?
Good on ya mate, you're getting yourself into territory you don't want to be in.
The first time the incident occured in India, he probably didn't think he was about to say anything racist. Like kiristao said, the word 'monkey' isn't seen as being in the same context as race here in India.
The second time, I think he was just wound up and wanted to get at Symonds. He might've thought he wasn't being racist, but I don't think he quite understood the consequences of what he was about to say and he simply shouldn't have said it. I think that's still wrong, ignorance/stupidity is no excuse for racism.
The fine he got wasn't fair, but it never is considering we seem to run the ICC. Shoud've been a lengthy ban.
Condoning racism? Definitely not.
Should've been treated as water under the bridge after that. The Australians have come out with a ridiculous number of comments over the last 3 weeks. Gilchrist in his autobiography, Ponting in some newspaper column and I read some quotes from Symonds on cricinfo saying he 'was hurt'. Bit lame, IMO.
The second time, I think he was just wound up and wanted to get at Symonds. He might've thought he wasn't being racist, but I don't think he quite understood the consequences of what he was about to say and he simply shouldn't have said it. I think that's still wrong, ignorance/stupidity is no excuse for racism.
The fine he got wasn't fair, but it never is considering we seem to run the ICC. Shoud've been a lengthy ban.
Condoning racism? Definitely not.
Should've been treated as water under the bridge after that. The Australians have come out with a ridiculous number of comments over the last 3 weeks. Gilchrist in his autobiography, Ponting in some newspaper column and I read some quotes from Symonds on cricinfo saying he 'was hurt'. Bit lame, IMO.
If he really said that, he probably knew that its racist. He travelled all over the world and would have to be really really thick not to know that. I wouldn't be surprised if he really made the monkey remarks, he is a moody twat and always been like that. What the crowd at Mumbai(?) did was much worse imo.
What the crowds did at Mumbai was downright disgraceful. There is no doubt that the actions of those people were racist and all such acts have to be condemned.
No its not. Cricket is not supposed to be played like that.
It's a professional sport, applying mental pressure by verbalising/sledging is just another element of the game. If you're going to take out sledging you might as well rule out any home crowds, and take out bouncers too while we're at it.
If players can't handle the mental pressure, they should go and play something else.
On a side note, do any of you guys actually play for a side? How do you take sledging?
I do, and I absolutely love it when the opposition start getting into me. I love to give back as good as I get, it just adds an extra element of mongrel to the game by applying pressure on yourself. Though I'm thinking this may just be an Aussie thing, we love our sports hard and tough.
For example - I hit this guy for four over his head, down passed mid off. He pushed the mid off back to the fence and threw the next two out wide, which I left. He said 'have a swing you fecking retard' (which in itself is unnaceptable). Next over of his I clobbered him for four over mid on, and after I pushed the single in the next ball as I ran right passed him and said 'how about that swing mate?'
Stuff like that makes Cricket a mens sport.
If players can't handle the mental pressure, they should go and play something else.
On a side note, do any of you guys actually play for a side? How do you take sledging?
I do, and I absolutely love it when the opposition start getting into me. I love to give back as good as I get, it just adds an extra element of mongrel to the game by applying pressure on yourself. Though I'm thinking this may just be an Aussie thing, we love our sports hard and tough.
For example - I hit this guy for four over his head, down passed mid off. He pushed the mid off back to the fence and threw the next two out wide, which I left. He said 'have a swing you fecking retard' (which in itself is unnaceptable). Next over of his I clobbered him for four over mid on, and after I pushed the single in the next ball as I ran right passed him and said 'how about that swing mate?'
Stuff like that makes Cricket a mens sport.
No it doesn't. It's just petty and childish. The Aussies took it on to a new level and being 'hard and tough' is no excuse to act like a cnut.
Hrm, must just be our 'thing' then.
By all means applaud a good shot, but if someone fannies about you jump all over them and let them know about it. Absolutely love the mental pressure.
And I don't see how it's childish? In fact it's quite the opposite, if it was childish you'd be giving the batsmen an armchair ride through their innings.
By all means applaud a good shot, but if someone fannies about you jump all over them and let them know about it. Absolutely love the mental pressure.
And I don't see how it's childish? In fact it's quite the opposite, if it was childish you'd be giving the batsmen an armchair ride through their innings.
I agree with you on that one but the problem is more often than not things move from banter/sledging to personal abuse and that is what causes a problem. Sutff like "now try and hit me for another six, did you even see the fecking ball go past your nose, step out again if you have the balls, next time i will aim for your helmet, etc" are all now being accepted but when comments are on a personal level which have nothing to do with whats on the field is not acceptable. I remember when the Aussies toured India in 01, there were rumours about Ganguly having an extra-maritial affair and the Aussie's used this information to make comments like "so hows the other lady, which ones better of the two" and so on. I dont know how true these stories were but if they were, they were absolutely out of line. It was like when the italian dude said to Zidane that his sister's a whore or something like that in the World cup finals. Not acceptable!
I have been through lots of such stuff myself and like yourself i enjoy it too. I got hit by a bouncer on my shoulder and the bowler walked upto me and said the next ones goin to be on my head. (I wasnt even using an helmet). Next ball he pitched up to me and i right past his head for a 4. i just walked upto him and said, "next time the ball wont go past your head, it will go straight into it!"
Lets face it most sledging is playground stuff and if it effects your game you need to find somehting else to do.
A black bloke being caled a monkey is very difficult. Once may just about be ignored as a cultural misunderstanding. Twice from the same person is out and out racial abuse that should have attracted a significant ban.
I wonder what sort of ban we might have quite rightly seen if we were watching match of the day and Drogba was openly called a monkey by an opponent?
A black bloke being caled a monkey is very difficult. Once may just about be ignored as a cultural misunderstanding. Twice from the same person is out and out racial abuse that should have attracted a significant ban.
I wonder what sort of ban we might have quite rightly seen if we were watching match of the day and Drogba was openly called a monkey by an opponent?
I was more referring to you saying sledging is what makes cricket a men's sport. If anything it goes against the spirit of cricket. Saying that I have no problem in a bit of banter, standing in the field would be boring otherwise, but it's still childish and I'd like to think 'real men' would be above such nonsense and just let their cricket do the talking.
i am good at sledging.