So SA are not supposed to show concern if one of their players gets hit on the head? Ok.
India Tour of South Africa
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What moral victory?
So what the media or fans call a team is not a deciding factor. Umpires don't take decision based on what teams will be called by fans and media. As usual Indian fans finding reasons for moral victory after series is lost.
My heart goes out to Dean Edgar for being the first batsman in the history of the game to be hit on the helmet.
It was a standard bouncer, something that is entirely inside the rules of the game, and the outcome was what it would be if you don't know how to play the bouncer. As bad as the pitch was, citing that ball as valid grounds to show concern for the batsmen is a joke.
You've lost the plot at this point.
Very apparent from making a big issue of dead rubber test and wanting match to go on at risk of injuries due to variable bounce.
That's what I am thinking from your posts about you.
May be, may be not. There is no way we can know that for sure. In fact, India had no way of knowing that they would eventually find themselves in a good position in this match, they had a legitimate reason to raise a hue and cry about the pitch at the end of day 1 itself. But they didn't. Even in the first session today, we were not in driver's seat exactly and could have made our displeasure of batting on this surface known then. But we didn't. So may be there is mental game at play here and Indian team simply does not believe this to be a dangerous pitch to play on as they have claimed in the press conference today.
India didn't know where they will finish, yes but they are going on only because of context of series and wanting a win. South Africa don't have that issue. If Umpires think pitch is unfit, they will take it. It doesn't have to be serious injury. Why would they risk multiple blows to fingers? Amla is already seemingly batting with added protection on gloves.
Don't agree. If India had the option to take a draw at the end of day 1, they would have taken it, so the question of being desperate of a win isn't there. It is also idiotic to believe that Kohli and team management would value a win in dead rubber more than any risk of serious injury to any of their batsmen. You are correct about the second part though, SA seemingly have/had no desire to play this test match.
With Kohli I won't be sure. In fact, if match goes on and India win, he and Ravi will spin it to say, look we are equally good but few minor things cost us previous two matches, totally ignoring stupid decisions in team selection earlier.
I appreciate the great effort India has put in this match and they have truly earned the great position they are in but pitch can only get worse progressively and if it continues to behave badly, India should not think it is all being done to deny them victory. Just think from Umpire and Referee perspective. Even if case like Elgar, which in isolation is not due to pitch, causes serious injury, are people really going to bother counting how many inches was ball pitched from stump and was it from good length or short? Then all blame will be on Umpires and referee. It is all about the potential risk to me at this stage and those who will be affected by it will behave differently.
Let's remove bouncers from the game. Where were you during the Phil Hughes aftermath.
What an absolutely stupid comment, totally missing the point.
Not really. It was a standard bouncer that hit a batsman on the helmet. Why the hell would an umpire be blamed for that?
I am saying if such a bouncer causes serious injury in THIS MATCH with all the scores of incidences of variable bounce causing body blows, nobody will measure with tape and see if it was due to pitch or standard bouncer from particular spot. What has happened in this test match means every blow to body will be looked at differently than a normal game. Not a difficult thing to understand. Context matters.
Except that is literally what happened right after the incident and the ball was deemed out of context for the whole argument. Perhaps you are assuming everyone else thinks like you and ignores actual facts and goes with the narrative. But then you voted for BJP so.
Tch tch. That whole post proves you have no sensible point left and hence going on tangents. Happens when one is incapable of replying logically. Fact check, I didn't vote in 2014 elections btw. Keep showing your RAWK side though.
Ok but no one will surely measure the distance of the ball from the stumps
Ya that's what Umpires and Referees will do in case of injury in this match and as if that will stop all scrutiny, sound (il)logic as alwaysOk but no one will surely measure the distance of the ball from the stumps
They literally would, yes. Not sure why this is challenging to understand. Not the only guy on this page to tell you that you haven't a clue about standard protocol either.Ya that's what Umpires and Referees will do in case of injury in this match and as if that will stop all scrutiny, sound (il)logic as always
They wouldn't and it won't matter on scrutiny part even if they did on a pitch which is shit with variable bounce. Not sure what is so difficult for you to understand. Happens though when one is desperate like you.
There's no moral victory here. The team, and fans a like, want to win this test match. It might a dead rubber, but winning tests away from home for anyone is a rarity and it'd be an incredible confidence boost going into the tour of England.
Does Elgar remind anyone else of Phil Collins?
The match officials are now bricking it just in case there is a serious injury. The umpires should have called off the game after the first innings. I personally think it's now too late to call it off without being seen as favouring SA.
Btw is it Bhuvi or Kohli with the highest batting average for India?
Loads of mental gymnastics here to defend Saffers. If they think the pitch is dangerous for their top order batsmen then they had no business bowling short balls to our tail-enders.
It's been raining so there is possibility of this game being affected by rain.
Really don't get the whining though. Everyone agrees that the pitch is dangerous. Teams are given the chance to walk off in that case. That would be the safe thing to do in this instance . India where given the chance to stop play but refused. Surely India's decision should play no role in whatever South Africa decide if given the same option.
It's a dead rubber and if the pitch really is that dangerous, I'd walk away too. Only reason S.A. won't do that is simply for commercial reasons. That's what the big wigs really care about.
Really don't get the whining though. Everyone agrees that the pitch is dangerous. Teams are given the chance to walk off in that case. That would be the safe thing to do in this instance . India where given the chance to stop play but refused. Surely India's decision should play no role in whatever South Africa decide if given the same option.
It's a dead rubber and if the pitch really is that dangerous, I'd walk away too. Only reason S.A. won't do that is simply for commercial reasons. That's what the big wigs really care about.
This. And it was plain to see from around the time the second Indian innings started.
Were they? Rahane said in the interview that umpires checked on the players while they were getting hit and told them they can take as long as they want and call physios to get treated without any hurry. In case players intentionally delay the game affecting over rate, they are warned so it seems like umpires told them not to worry about the time. He also said umpires did not ask Indian players whether they would continue the game. As per the team managers, match referee first called them for meeting during tea time (Ind at 199-6) and mentioned that in case pitch gets dangerous for the batsmen, they'd be called back to dressing room. Which is what they did when they felt concerned with Elgar's injury.
I still think it's not in the hands of the teams whether they want to continue playing - it's solely for match officials to decide. Teams can complain and present their views but that's pretty much it. If they think it's too dangerous, they'll try to repair the pitch without favoring either side but if that's not possible, match may be abandoned as a draw.
If the match is abandoned due to dangerous pitch, it results in demerit points for Jo'burg and may not host any matches for an year. Since today is the first weekend of the match, over 10K tickets were sold while the first 3 days had average of 8K attendances.
Abandoning the match today would result in several negatives - CSA (today's ticket revenue, negative press for pitch), Jo'burg stadium authority (loss of hosting privileges for ODI vs Ind, test vs Aus), match officials (taking too long to call off, negative press for seemingly favoring SA), SA team (negative press for complaining pitch is dangerous while bowling bouncers to Ind tailenders an hour earlier). At least no more players will get hurt. [I'm agreeing with you here]
Wow, the state of this thread.
1. No-one from the South African camp has called the pitch unsafe or asked for the game to be called off. The decision to come off the field was entirely down to the match officials and ultimately they have the final say
2. Elgar got hit on the head by a bouncer bowled back of a length. That was down to his technique, not the pitch. For the umpires it was clearly the last straw though and if they did not at least consider the safety of the pitch they would not be doing their jobs
3. To those of you that think Elgar 'milked' the incident. Grow up
4. The Indian batting lineup showed incredible grit and determination. I have seen very few better innings from visiting teams in South Africa. This is a moral victory (at least) that India should celebrate no matter what else happens from this point.
5. Calling the South African team "cowards" is unnecessary. They have done nothing but profess a willingness to follow the lead of the match officials. These accusations say more about the posters making them than the players
6. As a South African I am embarrassed by the state of this pitch. This was supposed to be a contest between the two top rated teams in the world and while this series has had periods of good cricket, it will ultimately be remembered more for the pitches than the performances. Cricket is the loser here
1. No-one from the South African camp has called the pitch unsafe or asked for the game to be called off. The decision to come off the field was entirely down to the match officials and ultimately they have the final say
2. Elgar got hit on the head by a bouncer bowled back of a length. That was down to his technique, not the pitch. For the umpires it was clearly the last straw though and if they did not at least consider the safety of the pitch they would not be doing their jobs
3. To those of you that think Elgar 'milked' the incident. Grow up
4. The Indian batting lineup showed incredible grit and determination. I have seen very few better innings from visiting teams in South Africa. This is a moral victory (at least) that India should celebrate no matter what else happens from this point.
5. Calling the South African team "cowards" is unnecessary. They have done nothing but profess a willingness to follow the lead of the match officials. These accusations say more about the posters making them than the players
6. As a South African I am embarrassed by the state of this pitch. This was supposed to be a contest between the two top rated teams in the world and while this series has had periods of good cricket, it will ultimately be remembered more for the pitches than the performances. Cricket is the loser here
Is it raining at Wanderers?
I also think this is whats happening
Clearing up a bit now. has been raining all night
Start delayed by 30 mins. Pitch to be inspected later on, not sure where this is going...
Just abandon the match.
SA gonna win this
Yup.. After all the bitching that's going to be the end isn't it.. Atleast there was hope for us in one match..SA gonna win this
Didnt watch this hour. Has the bitch gotten better/worse?