Of course. UN, IMF, Havard, BBC, international media at large, intellectuals, Nobel winners all become evil when the BJP gets called out.
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You are entitled to whatever opinion you form about me, so I am not gonna argue it beyond a point. I just clarified why I call leftists that, now beyond that it would be pedantic of me carrying on.
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Bhai, the word "retard" is banned on this forum. I'm not warning you on this occasion for obvious reasons.
Bhai, the word "retard" is banned on this forum. I'm not warning you on this occasion for obvious reasons.
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Firstly stop associating me with BJP. I didn't vote for them, nor I am fighting for them. Criticism of BJP leaders inciting hate speeches, policies and so on, everyone can do. The problem arises for me, when there is an utter failure to acknowledge the anti-Hindu elements at the protests. Why is it necessary to call poster of Hanuman facist, why Muslims leaders go around giving speeches about they will show the might of 15 crores to 100 crores, singing slogans which are symbol of Islamist invasions and so on and on. And when they are saying it, you have thousands cheering them, and than you see a group of people in media defending them, or saying don't associate them with anti-CAA protests . See this isn't me being blinded by posts of few dumbasses in twitter who have their face up Modi's ass. I am living in an area, where in the guise of anti-CAA protests, the local groups are killing, vandalizing of Hindus. Post that they had clashes with Bangladeshi Muslim settlers, and they using that as an excuse to attack people.
A peaceful protests against CAA, will not have hired goons vandalizing properties, attacking policemen(saying that doesn't mean I am supporting police attacking students), stone pelting(hundreds of stones hoarded), petrol bombs and so on. Yes there are many people who are against the exclusion of Muslims refugess or illegal immigrant from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh under this act, where they dont get the shortened window benefits, but the movement has been taken over by Islamists, and saying that as it is, is the job of every media house.
CAA protests and CAA implementation have few points to see.
(a) BJP completely failed to implement CAA as it was originally planned in the 1950s because of its Hindu votes luring. What could have easily handled by saying, religious minorities of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, they messed it up by naming, and excluding Muslims directly, trying to appease its Hindutva gurus.
(b) The manufactured fear in the hearts of Muslim Indians, that CAA will take away citizenship from them.
(c) Amit Shah and his stupid chronology speech.
(d) Governments' unability to control the nature of the protests, and ignoring it, as a tactics to win Delhi elections by inciting Hindus to vote for them. Trying to portray the protests as anti-Hindu protests.
(e) And BJP was helped in.the above by the Islamists taking over the protests.
(f) Media houses right or left,di dnt do any fact checking, and posted as per their agenda and bias. Same with social media influencers.
(g) All the violent protests were work of goons hired by oppositions and Islamists who lead a group of gullible youth, but there was no acknowledgement by the left media, in clarifying that this doesnt represent the protests, rather they were like janta gusse mai hai. And right media gleefully used it to their benefits.
(h) BJP leaders didn't left any stone unturned, by making full use of this lenient behavior by the so called intellectual media, for inciting hatred, and Hindu khatre main hai agenda. And their speeches were used byto leftists to propogate their Hindus will kill Muslims agenda.
(I) Police is the worst offender here, because of their own bias. Although because of their authorities, many policemen also suffered.
These protests and riots were not a work of one party or one ideology. it has many factors, so it is utterly sad to see people acting like this is an one sided issue.
again, don't associate me with BJP.
There is a case to blame unruly mobs in the society, and that includes first and foremost the political class for stoking communal tensions and religious intolerance. The very institutions of law and order have abandoned, or not doing enough to protect its citizens which is their duty. Justice and protection of its citizens is the central pillar of democracy.
The economy has already been sliding, and these riots will only help the slowdown. Businesses will lose their risk appetite. Social harmony is the bedrock of economic development. Religion and stoking communal tensions have now become a plaything for the self-serving racist officials regardless of the massive harm it is causing the very country they profess to love.
The economy has already been sliding, and these riots will only help the slowdown. Businesses will lose their risk appetite. Social harmony is the bedrock of economic development. Religion and stoking communal tensions have now become a plaything for the self-serving racist officials regardless of the massive harm it is causing the very country they profess to love.
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okay, if it is, I will not use it again, and am editing it.
No one is painting Hindus as evils. People need to understand BJP, govt of India, religion and country are different things.
For the second bit, regarding the Delhi riots, the protests were mostly peaceful at Shaheen Bagh. Violence broke on 3/4 separate occasions and each of them were a result of what a politician said. The 1st few ones were after Kapil Mishra, Anurag Thakur and Ajay Bisht basically asked people to take up arms and the last one after Kapil Mishra basically asked people to start clearing all the protest sites once Trump leaves. I'm not saying only one side is to blame as there were casualties on both sides, but it becomes questionable when one side had the support of the police. These riots were a direct result of the hate that has been on show at political rallies, TV debates and SM and for that BJP is to be held accountable as they have managed to weaponize this hatred.
Lastly, your point on International media - that is not the reason for the riots. The people who are rioting or were affected by these riots don't follow BBC or NYT or such outlets.
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Yes people need to understand the difference between criticising BJP/Modi/Amit Shah/Hindu mob groups and Hinduism. Which I don't see anywhere. And no I didn't blamed international.media for the riots, I said international media is trying to portray it as a one sided genocide.
Also protests didn't happened at only Shaheen Bagh, they were all over the country, some were peaceful, some turned unruly.
And don't say one sided, when you had lots of stones, sticks and petrol bombs hoarded, which was later called by certain section of media as defensive measures, yes defensive measures.
You are right but few thing are missing between the chronology of events.
Between the peaceful (organised) protest of Shaheenbagh and Kapil Mishra speech on Sunday, few other incidents happened.
Saturday night, closer to the occasion of Trump visiting Delhi, few other public places are filled by protestors incl a metro station etc to improvise the protest. These areas right between the sensitive Hindu and Muslim majority areas.
Iirc, Bhim Army chief as well called for Bharat bandh on Sunday, especially affecting areas closer to North east Delhi. (I maybe wrong. Correct me if I am wrong about the timing of this)
Kapil Mishra speech was on Sunday after noon after these incidences.
The whole issue is fear mongering, victimisation and mobilising communities by political parties behind these. Saturday and Sunday morning by Anti BJP parties and from Sunday afternoon by BJP.
This is the problem. International media only picks what suits them. One or Two places/videos where unruly Police helping pro CAA rioters is used to paint everything as black and white but conveniently skipping the videos where Anti CAA rioters attacking police.
The whole narrative of peaceful protestors, subjected to genocide by Govt and Hindutva groups is nauseating to say the least. Instead of reporting the full picture, such partial propaganda will only result in it being seen as anti Hindu. It won’t help in solving anything but deeply polarise the society.
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I find it funny whenever someone has a slightly different opinion here they are termed bakth and Bjp supporter, even though they equally have criticized the government and their policy. It's like so called left people have become equally intolerant when it comes to someone not sharing their same ideology.
Ruling party targetted one side.
Cops helped one side.
Religious places destroyed of one side.
Hate saying this but most of the casualties are from one side.
But it was not a one-sided genocide...right.
We are finally getting to the point as to who is to be blamed for all this. The number of times the govt and its representatives have been mentioned as instigators/enablers/inefficient/incompetent is a testament to that.
That is how you see it. I can't ignore that both the parties were prepared with weapons, and attacked when time came. Pro-CAA groups ultimately proved more equipped and some bigot police helped them too, that is why you have more casualties among the Muslims.
But police's bigger failure isn't some of its officers siding with proCAA mob, but its passive attitude in other areas. Amit Shah completely failed in maintaining the law and order. But this is not a case of so called genocide, it is a clash of two groups in which sadly common people suffered.
That is your opinion, you can put all the blame on one side, if it pleases you.
I put the blame on the govt. as simple as that. However I also quoted your post which seems to be blaming the govt equally, if not more.
they knew what was happening, some of their guys enabled it, they allowed it to go on and the cops who report to them have been complicit in the violence/riots. And even after that, they have done nothing to stop it. Hence the govt takes the biggest share of the blame game.
Biggest share is one thing. So when you say biggest share, you also have something else left. Who gets that share.
You can divide it between the rioters. Easy.
Oh feck me, i am literally baffled how you are playing with words and what you wanna achieve. Have read almost all your posts on this thread... For goodness sake for once call what is right and what is wrong without manipulating words for a change.
I don't want to divide, it is on you. And as I said, if you hold government fully responsible, you are entitled to that opinion.
hardly. They already knew the cops were with them. This was displayed systematically.
JMI - Cops go in and attack the dissenting students
JNU - Cops stand outside and watch the goons destroy the university
Amit Shah and his mongrels deliver hate speech after hate speech without any repercussions
Cops did not take appropriate action against the 3 gun waving “warriors“ who went to Shaheen Bagh.
Kapil Mishra issues ultimatum while the ACP stands next to him wearing a cricket helmet and listens.
It came from the top and the bottom feeders basically took the lead.
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glad we have a consensus that the govt and the authorities are also to be blamed for this.
What is right: Nothing.
What is wrong: Everything, everyone. No one did their jobs and duties properly. No one behaved in a proper manner, everyone was busy mocking the other side, from ministers to politicians to media people to government officials to social media warriors to paid social media influencers to publicity hungry celebrity to those people who went to riots for money and food to those dumbass Bhakts who think they can save Hindusim so they participated in the riots to those people who saw this as a way to mislead the Muslims to the fcuking international media who is seeing this as an opportunity to put whole blame on a right wing party, because this will help them to assert their leftist ideology which is losing out in major democracies. I don't see anyone right in this country anymore, it is now all a gleeful mocking games, where everyone is up for uping another.
i don't agree with you, but I will not harass you into believing what I believe.
Wait, weren’t you blaming BJP in your post above, by referring to them multiple times? Yet they should escape the blame when violence occurred due to their policy, in the capital, under their noses?
The actual riots started during the Maujpur clashes when protesters attacked pro-CAA, and than from there it was a wholesome mayhem. Now don't tell me, Maujpur clash were not a full blown mini battle between two groups.
Same thing happened in Jaffarabad, protestors attacked first.
So how can I agree with this being a planned genocide when it wad a bloody communal riots, in which both Hindus and Muslim mobs played a part.
As for Kapil Mishra, he should have been arrested the day he said, "gooli maro deshdrohiyo ko", but sadly being from a group who has power plays a game.
Not they should be blamed, I just don't agree with you that they are the only one.
Like I said it's never one person to blame. But mostly the damage done to the country over the last 5 years is due to the ruling party.
So the cops fail to do their jobs, remain neutral and maintain law and order. In fact, few of them even joined the attackers against one side. Yet the authorities and the govt who runs these authorities should not receive the major blame for driving the situation to the ground? Escapes me.
Destroying CCTV cameras, beating up protestors and asking them (who later died) to sing the national anthem. It's one thing for the mob to misbehave and another for the cops/government machinery to.
He started his post by calling everyone else who did not share his view point as Islamic apologists and "retards". So hey ho!!
If one wants to make a factual viewpoint, then make that without resorting to name calling and painting everyone with the same brush of Leftists, bloody commies etc. And I am not even getting to Islamic organizations/Christian organizations funding everything viewpoint.
Imagine the propaganda that the opposition which couldn’t do anything last year for general elections has mustered enough money/courage/effort to run protests for 80 odd days. Amazing
Yup. Although, I don’t know what’s worrying. Elevating the mob to the level of the govt/cops or vice versa.
Is AshRK still stuck up about bhakt moniker while apportioning more blame on the protestors?
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