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Delhi Police raids Twitter India offices in Delhi
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/delhi-police-raids-twitter-india-offices-in-delhi-989502.html
PR government is at it again.
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/delhi-police-raids-twitter-india-offices-in-delhi-989502.html
PR government is at it again.
So this is happening in Lakshadweep and needs to be highlighted
The below link from Quora has huge details with sources and links. I have pulled some excerpts from that below.
https://qr.ae/pGyQi3
Lakshadweep is basically an absolute Muslim majority Territory. 97% of its population are Muslims. Infact the entire ethnic Lakshadweepians are Muslims while there are few Hindus who are mostly Non Lakshadweepians ethnic wise, but came from Kerala and other places who got residence permits in the island owing to multiple reasons in past (some out of necessity like Medical support, SPORTS, Teaching purposes).
Traditionally the administrators of Lakshadweep are usually from civil services like IAS or IPS or IFS etc. This is to avoid any allegations of being partisan, though these officials may be linked to the ideologies and support of ruling party of India. Modi govt recently brought an active politician- Praful K Patel who was a minister in Modi’s Cabinet during his CM days in Gujarat as Administrator recently.
Uncontrolled COVID Surge
Till 2021, Lakshadweep was the only place in India that wasn’t affected by COVID. This is because Lakshadweep administration placed a huge list of protocols to enter and exit the islands which is more easier to implement due to its small population and restricted access. Anyone who wants to enter into Island, including natives, must observe quarantine in one of the UT Guest houses in Kochi, get RT PCR Test negative certificate to board the ship/helicopter. As soon as they reach the island, they have to observe 14 days of quarantine in Island’s guest house before being released to public. Due to strict implementation, Lakshadweep didn’t have Covid.
However when the new administrator came, he removed all the protocols and made it simple- anyone with an RT PCR test and enter into island and no qurantine rules. As a result, lot of people who had infections entered, spreading the diease across the island. The TPR of the island came to a whopping 60% in last few weeks.
This was aggravated when the island’s tourism was kept open without any checks and officials also moved between mainland and island without any checks. The removal of protocols came despite of strong warnings against it by local Health administration, as Lakshadweep have very limited health facility and any criticial emergencies has to be brought to Kochi via Helicopter. But the administration went ahead without heading the warnings and without consulting with panchayat administration. This has created many deaths and extreme anger
Lakshadweep Land development rules
Once the new administrator came, he discarded the old land use rules and made a new draft which has created a huge roar and cry against it. As Lakshadweep series of small isles, each to around 4–10 acres max, it has no major cities or townships as such other than traditional settlements which are closely inhabited. The new UT has published a new draft of Lakshadweep Development Authority regulation- LDAR 2021, which gives arbitrary powers to UT Administrator to declare any land as development land or planning area where the govt has fully control over it and the actual owners have no right over it. The govt can take over the land or demolish bldgs or remove the owners etc. In short, the govt can freeze any land citing as planning area/development area that prohibits independent land use by its owners. This is a huge issue as Lakshadweep is too small space of land and too densely populated. If govt declares an areas as planning area, the owner ceases to have his land under his authority, thereby cannot even sell or mortgage the land. Further there are even provisions where the administration can seek licensing fees or other fees from people who are living in the areas designated as planning/development area. Thats means paying rent to the govt for our own houses/property. What ridiculous law?
Normally in India, this provision is generally done in areas where govt plans to have critical infrastructure like mining, quarrying, NH development, railway development, Airports etc, which none of these possible in this small islands. So the logic behind this provision is baffling.
Islanders fear that the govt might use the provisions arbitrary to remove ownership of their traditional land and make them landless, that eventually be sold to outsiders in name of development.
Centralization of authority
One of the first things done by the new UT Administrator is cutting down local panchayats and district panchayats by taking away their authorities over education, local govt, community development, animal husbandry, fisheries and agriculture. These portfolios are now centralized with UT Administrator, making Panchayats are mere namesake entities with no authority or responsibility.
The UT Admin after getting these portfolios have been doing many things in a dictatorial fashion. For example, more than 100+ fishing sheds and makeshift harbours used by fishermen were demolished without warning in name of CRZ. The livelihood of many fishermen is now at stake without their traditional sheds and fisheries constitute 40% of Island’s key employment
Decisions are taken without consulting anyone. Traditionally UT Administrator have to consult with Shura Council which comprises of elders and scholars in the island as Islanders are heavily close knitted community and most of them are inter-related or part of same congregation. So Shura council used to play a key role as intermediary between public and Administration in an informal way. But now they are not being consulted or even informed of government decisions. In these islands, the loudspeakers of the mosques or Mahal committees are used to transmit the decisions of UT Administration for reaching to people’s attention. Now the administration stopped doing that, rather simply put a notice in the notice board which hardly brings to anyone’s attention.
Even the local MP has made complaint that he hasn’t been consulted or even invited for any meetings
Beef Ban
One of the immediate reasons of provocation is Govt’s decision to ban Beef in the island. The administration is in process of passing a legislation making possession, sale or purchase of beef illegal as well as planning to pass a law that prohibit cattle slaughter in the island.
In short, this means, there won’t be any beef in Island. Lakshadweep is a Malayalee island and their cuisine is same as that of Kerala. Like Kerala, Poratta and Beef is the national dish of the island and widely consumed by all. Removal of beef from the plates is unthinkable and doesn’t make any sense as the entire island has only local natives with outsiders being restricted even to enter.
Apart from this, UT Administration has removed Non Veg options in the Mid-day school meals in all the schools and anganawadis of the island, making it an all veg concept, which is unheard in the island. Being an island with fish being the only main resource, its part of islander’s daily meals. One can get fish even during breakfast time. So it makes illogical to the core to remove Fish from the menu of school as none of the locals can eat anything without Non-Veg. To worsen it, all veg meals in schools is heavily North Indianized curry like Dal etc, which never acceptable for locals who been accustomed to the concept of fish curry rice meals as in Kerala.
Attack on local farming and Amul controversy
Lakshadweep have very limited farming option. Apart from Coconut farming and Fisheries, the only other area active related to agriculture is Dairy farms. Over last one decade, Lakshadweep has developed its own dairy farms under govt in a very active way. As of now, nearly 44 cows and 8 buffaloes provide milk to locals apart and actively employees locals. Govt has owned nearly 4 farms across 4 islands.
In a strange move the new administrator has ordered to close down all the farms and asked Animal husbandry department to auction all the cows immediately. Along with this order, the govt has decided to grant license to Amul India to open a dairy outlet in Lakshadweep and a ship has been dispatched to bring Amul milk from Gujarat. That has alarmed the locals in a big way, seeing the level of narriscism and autocratic action.
Reduction on linkages with Kerala
For Lakshadweep, Kerala is their home in mainland. They see Kerala as part of their own land due to same culture and historic traditions. Lakshadweepians traditionally connect themselves only with Malabar coast for all their socio-economic activities.
Historically Lakshadweep was connected fully to Kannur as their sovereign was based in that city. After British annexation of Arrakkal and Malabar becoming part of Madras Presidency, Lakshadweepians started depending on Kozhikode, being the district HQ of Malabar district. Eventually Lakshadweep administration was fully based in Kozhikode.
With rise of modern Kochi port and introduction of very large ships by 1960s to Lakshadweep, Kochi replaced Kozhikode as the base. Still Lakshadweepians have an emotional connection with Kozhikode and Kannur as both places share the same Mappila culture.
One of the controversial move of the new UT Administration is delisting Beypore (Kozhikode’s port) from the secondary port of entry/exit of cargo items and replacing with Mangalore. Mangalore was never port of entry/exit for Lakshadweepians in past. Its in last 2 decades, Mangalore port being used as a second entry port for passenger movement after Kochi due to congestion in Kochi channel and higher fees for berthing (Larger passenger ships cannot use Kozhikode port). But for goods, Kozhikode port was the second main port after Kochi.
Possible defranchisement of people having more children
Another most controversial move of UT Administrator is that, a draft law is now made that prohibits individuals with more than 2 children to stand for local Panchayat elections.
A good percentage of those who stand for elections are elders (mostly above 50 years old) and most of the people of that generation do have 3–5 children. The current trend of Lakshadweep is much similar to Kerala with TFR even falling down to 2 (Currently its 1.8) with most of young families preferring just 1 or max 2 children. But that was not the case in past.
If the law comes in force, majority of seniors cannot participate in LSG elections, thereby leaving a huge local leadership vaccum. Most of the youngsters in Lakshadweep are not based in the island (as they work in ships or other places). This means in near future, these panchayats will not have enough candidates to contest and may go obsolete.
Police clampdown
The biggest threat comes from Lakshadweep Police now… Under the new UT Admin, the police have been strongly used against locals with frequent raids and harsh rules etc
The most controversial was UT Administrator has passed a new Goonda Act for the island, whereby, the police can arrest anyone and detain without trial for a year citing as Goonda. The problem is that, the definition of Goonda and its activities are vaguely defined in the legislation. So the police can arbitrarily arrest someone citing as Goonda and detain them
One must understand, Lakshadweep is a Zero Crime place and hardly they have a jail or a police lock up. Most of the locals never experienced the concept of arrest, remand, bail etc. Even the local courts are mostly experienced handling only civil cases and rarely any criminal cases. There are no advocates/lawyers in the island (other than those brought by administration for their legal work). This means, the courts are not competent enough to provide any relief in event of arbitrary arrest and they have to depend Kerala High Court in Kochi for any real legal support. How many ordinary citizens, especially those in lower economic strata can afford to reach High Court? In this case, travelling more than 400 Kms in a ship to reach mainland?
The goonda act has caused huge issue in Lakshadweep society as the locals fear the govt is trying intimidate and silence the dissent with the law. Even nurses who had a strike recently over wages where silenced using this threat.
So as Lakshadweep had conducted huge support for Anti-CAA rallies last year. Every Island has large flex boards and bills board explaining the concept of CAA and how it shall be used against Muslims and how it is against the constitution spirits etc, just like in Kerala. The police has recently removed all such bill boards forcibly and issued notices to all who conducted peaceful meetings last year.
These all have added up anxiety to new levels
The below link from Quora has huge details with sources and links. I have pulled some excerpts from that below.
https://qr.ae/pGyQi3
Lakshadweep is basically an absolute Muslim majority Territory. 97% of its population are Muslims. Infact the entire ethnic Lakshadweepians are Muslims while there are few Hindus who are mostly Non Lakshadweepians ethnic wise, but came from Kerala and other places who got residence permits in the island owing to multiple reasons in past (some out of necessity like Medical support, SPORTS, Teaching purposes).
Traditionally the administrators of Lakshadweep are usually from civil services like IAS or IPS or IFS etc. This is to avoid any allegations of being partisan, though these officials may be linked to the ideologies and support of ruling party of India. Modi govt recently brought an active politician- Praful K Patel who was a minister in Modi’s Cabinet during his CM days in Gujarat as Administrator recently.
Uncontrolled COVID Surge
Till 2021, Lakshadweep was the only place in India that wasn’t affected by COVID. This is because Lakshadweep administration placed a huge list of protocols to enter and exit the islands which is more easier to implement due to its small population and restricted access. Anyone who wants to enter into Island, including natives, must observe quarantine in one of the UT Guest houses in Kochi, get RT PCR Test negative certificate to board the ship/helicopter. As soon as they reach the island, they have to observe 14 days of quarantine in Island’s guest house before being released to public. Due to strict implementation, Lakshadweep didn’t have Covid.
However when the new administrator came, he removed all the protocols and made it simple- anyone with an RT PCR test and enter into island and no qurantine rules. As a result, lot of people who had infections entered, spreading the diease across the island. The TPR of the island came to a whopping 60% in last few weeks.
This was aggravated when the island’s tourism was kept open without any checks and officials also moved between mainland and island without any checks. The removal of protocols came despite of strong warnings against it by local Health administration, as Lakshadweep have very limited health facility and any criticial emergencies has to be brought to Kochi via Helicopter. But the administration went ahead without heading the warnings and without consulting with panchayat administration. This has created many deaths and extreme anger
Lakshadweep Land development rules
Once the new administrator came, he discarded the old land use rules and made a new draft which has created a huge roar and cry against it. As Lakshadweep series of small isles, each to around 4–10 acres max, it has no major cities or townships as such other than traditional settlements which are closely inhabited. The new UT has published a new draft of Lakshadweep Development Authority regulation- LDAR 2021, which gives arbitrary powers to UT Administrator to declare any land as development land or planning area where the govt has fully control over it and the actual owners have no right over it. The govt can take over the land or demolish bldgs or remove the owners etc. In short, the govt can freeze any land citing as planning area/development area that prohibits independent land use by its owners. This is a huge issue as Lakshadweep is too small space of land and too densely populated. If govt declares an areas as planning area, the owner ceases to have his land under his authority, thereby cannot even sell or mortgage the land. Further there are even provisions where the administration can seek licensing fees or other fees from people who are living in the areas designated as planning/development area. Thats means paying rent to the govt for our own houses/property. What ridiculous law?
Normally in India, this provision is generally done in areas where govt plans to have critical infrastructure like mining, quarrying, NH development, railway development, Airports etc, which none of these possible in this small islands. So the logic behind this provision is baffling.
Islanders fear that the govt might use the provisions arbitrary to remove ownership of their traditional land and make them landless, that eventually be sold to outsiders in name of development.
Centralization of authority
One of the first things done by the new UT Administrator is cutting down local panchayats and district panchayats by taking away their authorities over education, local govt, community development, animal husbandry, fisheries and agriculture. These portfolios are now centralized with UT Administrator, making Panchayats are mere namesake entities with no authority or responsibility.
The UT Admin after getting these portfolios have been doing many things in a dictatorial fashion. For example, more than 100+ fishing sheds and makeshift harbours used by fishermen were demolished without warning in name of CRZ. The livelihood of many fishermen is now at stake without their traditional sheds and fisheries constitute 40% of Island’s key employment
Decisions are taken without consulting anyone. Traditionally UT Administrator have to consult with Shura Council which comprises of elders and scholars in the island as Islanders are heavily close knitted community and most of them are inter-related or part of same congregation. So Shura council used to play a key role as intermediary between public and Administration in an informal way. But now they are not being consulted or even informed of government decisions. In these islands, the loudspeakers of the mosques or Mahal committees are used to transmit the decisions of UT Administration for reaching to people’s attention. Now the administration stopped doing that, rather simply put a notice in the notice board which hardly brings to anyone’s attention.
Even the local MP has made complaint that he hasn’t been consulted or even invited for any meetings
Beef Ban
One of the immediate reasons of provocation is Govt’s decision to ban Beef in the island. The administration is in process of passing a legislation making possession, sale or purchase of beef illegal as well as planning to pass a law that prohibit cattle slaughter in the island.
In short, this means, there won’t be any beef in Island. Lakshadweep is a Malayalee island and their cuisine is same as that of Kerala. Like Kerala, Poratta and Beef is the national dish of the island and widely consumed by all. Removal of beef from the plates is unthinkable and doesn’t make any sense as the entire island has only local natives with outsiders being restricted even to enter.
Apart from this, UT Administration has removed Non Veg options in the Mid-day school meals in all the schools and anganawadis of the island, making it an all veg concept, which is unheard in the island. Being an island with fish being the only main resource, its part of islander’s daily meals. One can get fish even during breakfast time. So it makes illogical to the core to remove Fish from the menu of school as none of the locals can eat anything without Non-Veg. To worsen it, all veg meals in schools is heavily North Indianized curry like Dal etc, which never acceptable for locals who been accustomed to the concept of fish curry rice meals as in Kerala.
Attack on local farming and Amul controversy
Lakshadweep have very limited farming option. Apart from Coconut farming and Fisheries, the only other area active related to agriculture is Dairy farms. Over last one decade, Lakshadweep has developed its own dairy farms under govt in a very active way. As of now, nearly 44 cows and 8 buffaloes provide milk to locals apart and actively employees locals. Govt has owned nearly 4 farms across 4 islands.
In a strange move the new administrator has ordered to close down all the farms and asked Animal husbandry department to auction all the cows immediately. Along with this order, the govt has decided to grant license to Amul India to open a dairy outlet in Lakshadweep and a ship has been dispatched to bring Amul milk from Gujarat. That has alarmed the locals in a big way, seeing the level of narriscism and autocratic action.
Reduction on linkages with Kerala
For Lakshadweep, Kerala is their home in mainland. They see Kerala as part of their own land due to same culture and historic traditions. Lakshadweepians traditionally connect themselves only with Malabar coast for all their socio-economic activities.
Historically Lakshadweep was connected fully to Kannur as their sovereign was based in that city. After British annexation of Arrakkal and Malabar becoming part of Madras Presidency, Lakshadweepians started depending on Kozhikode, being the district HQ of Malabar district. Eventually Lakshadweep administration was fully based in Kozhikode.
With rise of modern Kochi port and introduction of very large ships by 1960s to Lakshadweep, Kochi replaced Kozhikode as the base. Still Lakshadweepians have an emotional connection with Kozhikode and Kannur as both places share the same Mappila culture.
One of the controversial move of the new UT Administration is delisting Beypore (Kozhikode’s port) from the secondary port of entry/exit of cargo items and replacing with Mangalore. Mangalore was never port of entry/exit for Lakshadweepians in past. Its in last 2 decades, Mangalore port being used as a second entry port for passenger movement after Kochi due to congestion in Kochi channel and higher fees for berthing (Larger passenger ships cannot use Kozhikode port). But for goods, Kozhikode port was the second main port after Kochi.
Possible defranchisement of people having more children
Another most controversial move of UT Administrator is that, a draft law is now made that prohibits individuals with more than 2 children to stand for local Panchayat elections.
A good percentage of those who stand for elections are elders (mostly above 50 years old) and most of the people of that generation do have 3–5 children. The current trend of Lakshadweep is much similar to Kerala with TFR even falling down to 2 (Currently its 1.8) with most of young families preferring just 1 or max 2 children. But that was not the case in past.
If the law comes in force, majority of seniors cannot participate in LSG elections, thereby leaving a huge local leadership vaccum. Most of the youngsters in Lakshadweep are not based in the island (as they work in ships or other places). This means in near future, these panchayats will not have enough candidates to contest and may go obsolete.
Police clampdown
The biggest threat comes from Lakshadweep Police now… Under the new UT Admin, the police have been strongly used against locals with frequent raids and harsh rules etc
The most controversial was UT Administrator has passed a new Goonda Act for the island, whereby, the police can arrest anyone and detain without trial for a year citing as Goonda. The problem is that, the definition of Goonda and its activities are vaguely defined in the legislation. So the police can arbitrarily arrest someone citing as Goonda and detain them
One must understand, Lakshadweep is a Zero Crime place and hardly they have a jail or a police lock up. Most of the locals never experienced the concept of arrest, remand, bail etc. Even the local courts are mostly experienced handling only civil cases and rarely any criminal cases. There are no advocates/lawyers in the island (other than those brought by administration for their legal work). This means, the courts are not competent enough to provide any relief in event of arbitrary arrest and they have to depend Kerala High Court in Kochi for any real legal support. How many ordinary citizens, especially those in lower economic strata can afford to reach High Court? In this case, travelling more than 400 Kms in a ship to reach mainland?
The goonda act has caused huge issue in Lakshadweep society as the locals fear the govt is trying intimidate and silence the dissent with the law. Even nurses who had a strike recently over wages where silenced using this threat.
So as Lakshadweep had conducted huge support for Anti-CAA rallies last year. Every Island has large flex boards and bills board explaining the concept of CAA and how it shall be used against Muslims and how it is against the constitution spirits etc, just like in Kerala. The police has recently removed all such bill boards forcibly and issued notices to all who conducted peaceful meetings last year.
These all have added up anxiety to new levels
@RedDevil@84
Isn’t this the standard govt playbook? They did this in J&K too. It’s typical of authoritarian governments and authoritarian leaders to impose such anti people rules and regulations.
It’s unfortunate that desi majority still votes for the orange fungus.
Isn’t this the standard govt playbook? They did this in J&K too. It’s typical of authoritarian governments and authoritarian leaders to impose such anti people rules and regulations.
It’s unfortunate that desi majority still votes for the orange fungus.
Yes, straight out of the govt playbook.
Kashmir 2.0. I was following the news for a few months now and I can't believe they will actually go ahead with the beef and fishing ban. Ridiculous.
One island Minicoy in Lakshadeep speak Maldivan as their language. Their culture is the same too.
Delhi Police raids Twitter India offices in Delhi
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/delhi-police-raids-twitter-india-offices-in-delhi-989502.html
PR government is at it again.
They aren't even pretending now. The masks are off and we have become an electoral autocracy. The 40% still supporting NDA comprising of ignorant morons and hateful bigots are going to burn the country down unless their is an all India Anti BJP coalition in 2024.
It's high time the likes of Rahul Gandhi comes together with a big alliance consisting of INC, TMC, Shiv Sena, DMK, CPI, CPM, AAP, Samajwadi Party, RJD etc. I don't want Congress to bargain for seats with their alliance parties and losing key parties from the alliance.
Rahul Gandhi needs to change his way of politics. If GST, Demonitization had happened during Congress rule, the entire BJP party would be on streets claiming this is bad for nation. Congress failed to do so. They need to do this once Covid is over. How Modi failed India with out vaccines, rising fuel prices, farm laws etc. Go to the street, protest and tell to people. If possible have a good IT cell which spreads truth and positive things about Congress rather than BJP IT cells which spreads lies.
Raid party to camera crew with themDelhi Police raids Twitter India offices in Delhi
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/delhi-police-raids-twitter-india-offices-in-delhi-989502.html
PR government is at it again.
They found nothing because offices were empty because of lockdown and more importantly what were they expecting to find? Stacks of papers with proofs or something?
Yeah Modi is awful, but what you're suggesting is basically out of the frying pan and into the fire. Rahul Gandhi, who would not know his elbow from his arsehole, will run the country, while managing a coalition so diverse in their policy and views.
Thank you for the detailed post Red devil 84. Really is a tragedy and a crime what is being done to the local population. Difficult times for Muslims and minorities all over India. Totalitarian religious nightmare.
It's the equivalent of thinking Hilary Clinton would be able to lead a united effort against Trump. The Gandhis like the Clintons are only in it for themselves and the sooner they are discarded the better for all. The problem is of course they are still able to mobilize a significant chunk of the voter base.Yeah Modi is awful, but what you're suggesting is basically out of the frying pan and into the fire. Rahul Gandhi, who would not know his elbow from his arsehole, will run the country, while managing a coalition so diverse in their policy and views.
Yeah Modi is awful, but what you're suggesting is basically out of the frying pan and into the fire. Rahul Gandhi, who would not know his elbow from his arsehole, will run the country, while managing a coalition so diverse in their policy and views.
Congress rule under MMS from 2004 to 2014 was far better than this Modi government. We were progressing well as a nation. For me Modi is far worse than Rahul. It's the IT cell of BJP and BJP media which made Rahul look like a Pappu. They tried to do the same with Stalin in Tamilnadu, but Stalin came to power few weeks back and is performing much better, he had selected a cabinet of good ministers and transferred good IAS officers into key positions like Chief Secretary.
It's the media which can make you believe he doesn't know anything. It's the same media which said Gujarat model is best before 2014 elections to make Modi as PM. We now know the original condition in Gujarat and Gujarat as a state is in worse condition than Maharashtra and other Southern states.
Naah. Anybody will be better than the current supreme leader.Yeah Modi is awful, but what you're suggesting is basically out of the frying pan and into the fire. Rahul Gandhi, who would not know his elbow from his arsehole, will run the country, while managing a coalition so diverse in their policy and views.
Yeah Modi is awful, but what you're suggesting is basically out of the frying pan and into the fire. Rahul Gandhi, who would not know his elbow from his arsehole, will run the country, while managing a coalition so diverse in their policy and views.
One of the most remarkable things BJP has done is to convince people that Rahul Gandhi is some sort of a clown. I have seen Modi say a 1000 times more stupid stuff on TV but somehow everyone is convinced Rahul Gandhi is the more stupid one. I have seen people accept that Modi has fecked up but they would still vote for him because he was trying and Raga would have just sat on the pandemic and done nothing.
You would think that Congress has done absolutely nothing for 60 years in power judging by their attitude. People have just forgotten everything. The growth, the respect gained, the effort to make India thrive as a liberal democracy. It's all forgotten and somehow everyone of these people seem convinced that the BJP is the only party doing anything of note for the country. The IT cell and the media have played the biggest role in this and I hope one day they do meet justice and are tried for treason for propoganding dangerous lies and killing the scientific temparement of the country. And there is no particular class of people which have been fooled. Everyone from the illiterate to IITians, from the poor to the filthy rich, seem to believe in their crap.
Apologies for what may be a slightly ignorant question but why does the BJP seem to gather more support in the North of the country than the South?
You have taken off on a tangent without even understanding the key point I was making. Making a coalition work would require not just a lot of diplomacy but also people in the coalition must have similar views in terms of how to take the country forward.
The parties suggested by the original poster are so diverse in their policies and governance that it will be a major feat to lead that coalition, let alone lead it successfully. For that:
a. Rahul Gandhi is not the man
b. An anti-BJP coalition is not needed to turn the country around. You need people in power pulling towards a common goal for the welfare of the citizens. That is such a massive task and all coalition governments have had their hands tied behind their back because a partner is basically pushing them around with the threat of pulling out. The end goal is not just to remove BJP but to bring a government at the helm which will take strides in the right direction. That coalition mentioned with Rahul at the helm is not the answer.
We have to look beyond "need to get the BJP out at all costs" and instead look at "who will be right to lead us". Else it will be same cribbing and crying for a different party/coalition for the next 5 years.
They pander more to the Hindi speaking audience and thus get more traction in the North. Plus South India already has political parties who have been leading the race for ages. To get around that is very difficult.
That's my take on it.
I don't subscribe to that thought. Already provided the reasoning.
Cloud data hidden in a vault. /s
Propaganda is a very important medium to win over the naive, poor and deprived public. It serves to push forward radical programmes, which requires the support, or participation of broad sectors of the public.
Combine this with terror to intimidate those who do not comply. New state propaganda manipulates and deceives the population and the outside world. Propagandists preach an appealing message of Hindu national unity, a utopian future that resonates with the population. Campaigns that facilitate the lowering the status of minorities with negative stereotyping and focusing on negatives within those communities. In this case, Muslims and it's now also creeping on Sikhs. This is a long-used formula and has worked historically for certain leaders.
The older members of the Redcafe just 10 years back we were debating on this very forum India challenging the superpowers of this world on many levels.
Combine this with terror to intimidate those who do not comply. New state propaganda manipulates and deceives the population and the outside world. Propagandists preach an appealing message of Hindu national unity, a utopian future that resonates with the population. Campaigns that facilitate the lowering the status of minorities with negative stereotyping and focusing on negatives within those communities. In this case, Muslims and it's now also creeping on Sikhs. This is a long-used formula and has worked historically for certain leaders.
The older members of the Redcafe just 10 years back we were debating on this very forum India challenging the superpowers of this world on many levels.
The thing is I'm quite certain a good chunk of our population - the middle aged privileged population - will still vote for Modi.
There is this belief in him that no politician could have handled it better, and considering our size this was inevitable. And there is still "If not Modi, then who" argument when it's obvious as feck that a 14 year old kid would have done a better job than this cnut of a leader
If the point you were making was that the public wouldn't really accept Rahul Gandhi as a PM of a coalition government, then I agree. The likes of Raga, Kejri and Mamata have had their images tarnished so much that the Coalition would need someone new on the national and clean but with administrative experience.
But if you are saying that Rahul Gandhi can't run the country so we shouldn't make removing BJP a priority then I completely disagree. Literally any leader from any of this group of anti bjp parties would have done a better job than Modi. I wouldn't mind having a PM from AIMIM, Shiv Sena, BSP, SP TMC, AAP or any other party as long as it's not an RSS guy. I wouldn't mind if they do feck all for five years as long as these treacherous cnuts from RSS and bought to trial, and punished for ruining this country. We can decide who is right to lead us at the next elections after these Sanghis are so damaged that they can't think about being in power for a few decades.
Need to get BJP out at all costs is especially what the country needs. The independence of each institution is at stake here. And it’s not just about the PM, look at the current cabinet vs any cabinet from Congress’ rule. They maybe corrupt and thieves, but they were also governing the nation reasonably well. It’s quite sad that these thieves are the lesser evil by a country mile.
Uddhav
No you didn't get the point. It has nothing to do with just Rahul Gandhi. He is a moron anyway. Point I am making is having a big coalition to manage is a nightmare scenario as running the country takes a backseat and keeping your power comes to the fore. Gandhi is the last person I would trust with that and also such a coalition is horrible for the country too.
Also, you seem to know nothing about RSS if you equate them with the malaise brought about by BJP. You should look at the amount of work they do at the ground level and the RSS workers have done a lot at local level.
Moreover, the hope that we get anyone bar Modi is exactly what got us in the current situation. One corrupt asshole for the current one is not the solution.
I agree. At least during the first term of the Congress rule, we did reasonably well. The second term was also nowhere near as bad as now. However I am not even sure who is the right person to lead us now. I was hoping Kejriwal but I am not sure about his ability to lead a country seeing that diplomacy isn't really his forte.
Bruh are you defending RSS? They are literally fascist? If anything Modi isnt radical enough for them
Sounds awfully similar to govt claiming Aadhaar data being super safe because the servers are behind 5ft thick walls
Buddy, you don't know the groundwork they do then. Obviously there are bad apples everywhere but then every organization is crap if you count only those people.
North consists of mostly Hindi speaking people with Muslim population about 15% where as South has Muslim population less than 10%. BJP have a motto of making Hindi as the official language all over India which South opposes, so that's a big minus for them in South. Moreover BJP unable to do the Hindus Muslims politics in Southern states as these states are more secular.
South has good education, Healthcare system, employment when compared to South. In North, people are more into Hindutva rather than getting educated and getting employed and that's what all previous government done in the North. Lack of education in North is making them fall easily into Hindutva trap and voting for BJP.
Which has nothing to do with the influence they have on political matters via BJP. Individuals in RSS at lowest levels maybe just in there for doing ground work and helping out people in need, but the RSS is not a hunky dory pious organization only doing social work.
Wow, alright then
MS Golwalkar in his book We or Our Nationhood Defined
"To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of Semitic races – the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by.”
The head of the RSS from 1940 to 1970 was just a bad apple apparently.
"To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of Semitic races – the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by.”
The head of the RSS from 1940 to 1970 was just a bad apple apparently.
Wow! Are you seriously defending the RSS? The malaise bought by BJP is completely stemming from the RSS. You really have no idea how the RSS works if you think otherwise.
Trust me, I know about RSS. My immediate family has held a very high post in one of its Umbrella organization. The very top brass of an RSS organization has stayed overnight multiple times at my home. I see, hear members from various RSS organisations at least once a week at my workplace. I am part of local RSS whatsapp group and even attended one of its meeting. And some of my family members have the RSS anthem as their bloody ringtone!
I know their mentality. Hatred for all muslims, for Gandhi, Nehru, and anyone remotely secular. Trying to write an alternate history where all muslim rulers were horrible tyrants and the randomest of Hindu rulers were demigods. The attempt to downplay the importance of Congress in our independence, while celebrating bigots like Sawarkar, Hedwegar, and Golwarkar. Open appreciation of Godse, celebration of atrocities against Muslims, etc.
And I really don't care about their groundwork if they continue their hateful ideology against anyone who don't agree with them. BJP has continuously targeted Indian and foreign NGOs so I really don't feel like appreciating their 'groundwork'.
I would gladly have him if it means keeping the BJP out of power.Uddhav
Can't believe we have reached such days where a Shiv Sena PM seems the lesser of the two evils.
Even hafiz saeed runs charitable institutions across pakistan and helps out during floods and earthquakes. Doesn't mean he's still not a cnut with an extremist ideology.
Agreed. Even NK86 would be better than mudi kaka.