So ya, they're both shite. Time for some to move on and stop trying to romanticise failed managers and their abject tenures.
If ten Hag was sacked tonight, who would you have as an interim?
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So ya, they're both shite. Time for some to move on and stop trying to romanticise failed managers and their abject tenures.
If I'm not mistaken his points per game is better than Ole's worst so this statement is pretty wrong.
Saying one was better than other is not romantizing the tenure.
Lingard was miles better than Van de Bench, doesn't mean it's romantizing Lingard's time at ManUtd.
Well A) It's a really pointless debate because neither was "better" imo, just less shite; B) ETH arguably done better last season than Ole ever managed to do; C) There has been a tonne of romanticism about Ole on here in general, both since he left and during his tenure. It's the carefully worded phrases like "2nd place and 1 penalty kick away from a European trophy" that I find hilarious, as it completely lacks context.
We could say about Jose "highest points finish post-Fergie and 2 cups" or about ETH "3 finals and a 3rd place finish". Without context both of these actually sound ok, when in reality, they were both terrible eras.
I don't see the obsession with proving who was"better". Some may pick ETH, others Jose and others Ole. It's merely subjective and means nothing whatsoever. There'll never be close to a unanimous consensus on the matter. Why don't we all lose the agendas, admit they were all total failures and move on.
McClaren is the obvious appointment. Would be really unexpected if it isn't him.
We have worse possession stats, worse xGD, worse league position, worse defensive stats but yeah EtH is better and everyone should agree with that and move on.
It's interesting argument and even funny to see the tactical mastermind and the hot name doing worse in all underlying numbers than the "vibes" manager.
Also, no people don't romantize Ole's tenure, if anything it's completely played down and EtH's tenure gets overrated because of one cup win.
Yeah, that was the reason.
Some of you really live in different reality. You all forgot that he played defensive football against most teams and our only, literally only, gameplan was counter attack.
And funny how you Ole fanboys completely ignore his "performance" in EL final where he was the main reason why we lost.
Could have got Rangnick in to diagnose the problem again and then do absolute nothing to fix it.
Mate, I think they're both shite...
And yes, Ole is the most romanticised manager on here by a long shot. It's not even close. He was awful, ETH is awful. If you think ETH is worse, great. This season has been fecking hilarious, that's for sure. Last season was decent.
My statement wasn't "Ole has a better points per game (when comparing 12 vs 32)".
Yeah, that was the reason.
Some of you really live in different reality. You all forgot that he played defensive football against most teams and our only, literally only, gameplan was counter attack.
And funny how you Ole fanboys completely ignore his "performance" in EL final where he was the main reason why we lost.
You worship a manager who played defensive football all his life and played even miserable football at Manutd.
The football we are playing is by far the worse post SAF and you have problem with counter attacking football? Did you see possession stats under Ole and under EtH ?
How about Mou fans for once apply their brain, ignoring EL final performance? Do you want to use that as a defense for a manager who was embarrassed by Sevilla in Europa league and then everyone took turns to embarrass us in CL, not to forget goal scoring competition against us by City and Liverpool.
But yeah, EL final bla bla bla.
As poor as Ole's end was, they bite on this because they all said we'd do far better under a different manager and have been proved horribly wrong.
Having a better points per game objectively makes a manager better. Tables are decided on points. Cups are decided on wins.
Bitching about the XG and shots is fair criticism, but secondary to points.
That depends on the posts you read. All I read is bunch of excuses for anything decent Ole did at ManUtd, some stooped even low to tarnish his playing days.
I know, that's why all the excuses for EtH's failure and Ole's decent achievements.
He clearly is, right up there alongside Jose. I just fecking detest the little cheerleaders for both of them, to be completely honest.
Bring JoMo in. Park the bus and shithouse our way to a win v city in the fa cup.
What achievements? Neither of them have anything to be proud of.
Yeah, only 1st counts, second is the best loser. Is that your go-to posts?
What's the agenda?
So, 3rd on more points and a cup is an achievement too? Seriously, like wtf. Stop with the agendas people.
BOTH are shite. Both presided over eras that lowered the standards. Would you consider Joes's second place finish (with more points) a success? I wouldn't. It's because I look at tenures holistically and not take out certain parts in isolation. Both of those second place finishes were absolutely littered with red flags. Which was evidenced by the following seasons.
Again; I THINK ETH IS SHITE!
Ah, sorry. I forgot that for you fanboys trophies are for ego.
And i am lost here. Are we talking about Erik or Jose or Ole? You are jumping from one to another.
Nvm, at the end only one thing is important; Who doesn't park his car on Fergie's spot?
Your obsession with making out Ole was good. He wasn't. None of them were. Not one single post-Fergie manager.
So a league table after 12 games is a definitive way to judge who is the best PL manager?
Fair enough not going to argue with your own system.
Where did I say he was good?
You still jump on any mention of him every time. It's funny.
As funny as how you jump on ETH...
Everyone knows your agendas with Ole. You've been called out time and again.
Looking at points per game is more definitive than any other stat for league success. This isn't even a debate - it's objective fact.
You can talk about the XG and shots and all that stuff but it's all secondary to the above.
It would be Darren Fletcher as an interim
But it's a non issue because if Ten Hag goes, it won't be until after the final.
But it's a non issue because if Ten Hag goes, it won't be until after the final.
Ofcourse it's achievement. 3rd and cup, how can it be not an achievement.
You should understand what's achievement and what's success. 2nd, 3rd and cup win is an achievement (Good one too). Is there tenure success? No. They all failed.
And bore off with your agenda nonsense. It's tedious.
Both, how can you go at Ole for counter attacking football and then worship the most defensive manager? FFS it's not really that hard.
And then to defend EtH who averaged less possession than Ole, go on.
Nah you've tried but still can't explain what you're talking about. Like being able to prove ANY time I've said Ole was was 'good'.
Maybe just admit I was ahead of the curve on calling out Ten Hag's poor football.
Ok, fantastic I'm glad we agreed that Jose, ETH and Ole had "achievements". Those achievements were menial at best. All of their tenures were shite. You pick who you preferred the most? For me, it's probably Ole tbh even though I don't think he was remotely successful. If Jose wasn't a cnut it would be him.
I just detest the Ole fanboys though. So fecking tedious.
i would be happy if we stripped it all back and started again with a young hungry team with a few experienced heads. Get rid of the ego players, the overpaid, the arrogance.
Id keep Onana Bayandir Mainoo Garnacho Dalot Mount Martinez Shaw, Bruno, Pellestri, Forson, Maguire, Amad and by skin of his teeth Hojlund ( jury is out on him for me)
Sell- mctominay rashford lindelof Sancho AWB casemiro martial Varane eriksen antony mjebri heaton, williams, amrabat, malacia
retire- Evans
no way back- Greenwood
Sign- Joao Neves, Braithwaithe,, olise, ben johnson( west ham) sesko Todibo Frimpong
Id keep Onana Bayandir Mainoo Garnacho Dalot Mount Martinez Shaw, Bruno, Pellestri, Forson, Maguire, Amad and by skin of his teeth Hojlund ( jury is out on him for me)
Sell- mctominay rashford lindelof Sancho AWB casemiro martial Varane eriksen antony mjebri heaton, williams, amrabat, malacia
retire- Evans
no way back- Greenwood
Sign- Joao Neves, Braithwaithe,, olise, ben johnson( west ham) sesko Todibo Frimpong
But you obsessively defend him because you DON'T think he was good? Weird way to spend your time.
And yes, you've regularly been called out ffs
All the fanboys make discussions of past managers so bad on here these days. We used to be able to laugh at the kids on Reddit, but now those sort of childish attitudes litter this place sadly.
Ironic
Yes. Absolutely.
We should all be able to unanimously agree that we've been a shit-show for over a decade and our managers all played a starring role in that.
Points per game or league position? If it's just black or white then why even bother with PPG when you have league position. The ultimate truth is league position
The best manager always wins the league every season, worst manager always finishes bottom. Got it.