How could I forget about Coentrao
If De Gea goes to Real, what's the best deal we can get from them?
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One can hopeHow could I forget about Coentrao
but seriously, i think the players we won't sell no matter what are Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajal, Kroos, Cris, Benzema, Isco, Asensio and Bale. Ramos and Cris for obvious reasons, Kroos, Marcelo and Carvajal because they're among the best at their positions(we can't sell and get someone better), Isco because he's signing a new contract, Asensio because of his potential, Benzema because Flo and Zizou like him and Bale is Flo's project
I am not against a GK. Madrid should not fall into complacency.Navas is doing very well but he has problems in the Achilles tendon, which had a lot of repercussions during the season but I´d prefer another profile, someone younger, not a fight between 2 top GK.
It's like you have a striker "A" who scores 20 goals and you want to pay 70million for "B" that will score 25.
Besides I like the players who show affection for the club, and their silence does not give me confidence or excitement.
Anyway,Florentino sold Ozil, who was a fan favorite, so I think that he won´t care about what the fans think
Would take cash + Kovacic.
GKs are usually sold for much less than strikers, so while I agree RM should not be complacent and always look to improve everywhere on the pitch (like any club in the world), would you pay a world-class striker fee for a GK? And would it be a smart move? You didn't want him for half the price two years ago, so I'm guessing not.
Isco's on the final year of his contract though.
Bale. Exactly what we need.
80m cash and Bale.
Looks like he'll be staying here then.
I'd be fairly content with £20-30 million + Morata. He is severely underrated in certain circles, but could be a great foil for Griezmann at United. Plus, you get the sense that he's on the precipice of emerging as a genuinely class #9 in terms of productivity if you project his numbers to more games as a starter - and there's an acute dearth of traditional center forwards in the current market (especially those that fit Mourinho's more orthodox profile for the position), so it could be a good opportunistic deal. Don't want any part of a potential Varane + money swap - he's the same player he was 4 years ago in terms of development and is frequently injured to boot:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/raphael-varane/verletzungen/spieler/164770
Isco would be nice as a direct swap, but he's reportedly a Florentino favorite from the Spanish lot, so it's highly unrealistic - he's more likely to sign a new long term deal. And the likes of Kroos are definitely not going to be sold - he's going to be the architect of the team over the next 5 years.
16/17 Muscular problems May 3, 2017 May 10, 2017 7 days 2
16/17 Achilles Irritation Apr 3, 2017 Apr 25, 2017 22 days 6
16/17 Hamstring Injury Feb 23, 2017 Mar 31, 2017 36 days 6
16/17 Muscular problems Jan 22, 2017 Jan 28, 2017 6 days 1
16/17 Meniscus irritation Nov 23, 2016 Nov 29, 2016 6 days 1
15/16 Thigh muscle rupture May 23, 2016 Jul 11, 2016 49 days 1
15/16 Calf Injury Mar 31, 2016 Apr 11, 2016 11 days 3
15/16 Wound Nov 26, 2015 Dec 28, 2015 32 days 8
16/17 Achilles Irritation Apr 3, 2017 Apr 25, 2017 22 days 6
16/17 Hamstring Injury Feb 23, 2017 Mar 31, 2017 36 days 6
16/17 Muscular problems Jan 22, 2017 Jan 28, 2017 6 days 1
16/17 Meniscus irritation Nov 23, 2016 Nov 29, 2016 6 days 1
15/16 Thigh muscle rupture May 23, 2016 Jul 11, 2016 49 days 1
15/16 Calf Injury Mar 31, 2016 Apr 11, 2016 11 days 3
15/16 Wound Nov 26, 2015 Dec 28, 2015 32 days 8
https://www.transfermarkt.com/raphael-varane/verletzungen/spieler/164770
Isco would be nice as a direct swap, but he's reportedly a Florentino favorite from the Spanish lot, so it's highly unrealistic - he's more likely to sign a new long term deal. And the likes of Kroos are definitely not going to be sold - he's going to be the architect of the team over the next 5 years.
2001, Buffon to Parma for 53m euros. Surely we can get way more with the current inflation.
Bale is too injury prone, 28 in a couple months, rejected us like.. 2-3x before, and if he starts losing his pace as he ages there isn't as many strings to his bow to redefine himself as someone like Ronaldo or a Giggs have done in the past, you'd fear he'd just be half the player.
Moratta + 20mill would be acceptable.
Moratta + 20mill would be acceptable.
Not many mentions of Navas in here.
I'd be fairly content with £20-30 million + Morata. He is severely underrated in certain circles, but could be a great foil for Griezmann at United. Plus, you get the sense that he's on the precipice of emerging as a genuinely class #9 in terms of productivity if you project his numbers to more games as a starter - and there's an acute dearth of traditional center forwards in the current market (especially those that fit Mourinho's more orthodox profile for the position), so it could be a good opportunistic deal. Don't want any part of a potential Varane + money swap - he's the same player he was 4 years ago in terms of development and is frequently injured to boot:
16/17 Muscular problems May 3, 2017 May 10, 2017 7 days 2
16/17 Achilles Irritation Apr 3, 2017 Apr 25, 2017 22 days 6
16/17 Hamstring Injury Feb 23, 2017 Mar 31, 2017 36 days 6
16/17 Muscular problems Jan 22, 2017 Jan 28, 2017 6 days 1
16/17 Meniscus irritation Nov 23, 2016 Nov 29, 2016 6 days 1
15/16 Thigh muscle rupture May 23, 2016 Jul 11, 2016 49 days 1
15/16 Calf Injury Mar 31, 2016 Apr 11, 2016 11 days 3
15/16 Wound Nov 26, 2015 Dec 28, 2015 32 days 8
https://www.transfermarkt.com/raphael-varane/verletzungen/spieler/164770
Isco would be nice as a direct swap, but he's reportedly a Florentino favorite from the Spanish lot, so it's highly unrealistic - he's more likely to sign a new long term deal. And the likes of Kroos are definitely not going to be sold - he's going to be the architect of the team over the next 5 years.
I agree with your points about Morata. He is very good player and also if we play deeper to play on counter he is very good at that. With Juventus, he was superb against Bayern, Morata and Pogba. Bayern were on back foot because of Morata's pace and dribbling, Allegri made a mistake subbing him off and Bayern won the game.
Morata with Griezmann will take our attack few levels higher.
I cant see Madrid paying more than 40m for him and any player they try include in a swap deal would be massively over valued by them so I ant see us getting a great deal if he leaves, morata plus some cash is about as good as I can see it getting.
I'm adamant that we insist on keeping DDG. This summer is going to be crucial going forward, and the last thing we want is to lose a significant portion of next season trying to gel our team together. Hence we want to avoid the unnecessary disruptions to our team, one of which would be losing an established keeper here.
If, however the move is inevitable then I'm sure we'll play hardball to get a deal that suits us. Cash wise about £60-70m is right, but whether we'll get that is another matter. I'm not too keen on getting a Madrid player in return at all now. In the past I'd have wanted Kroos, Morato or Isco but now I feel as if just getting cash and spending it elsewhere would be more suitable. All those players are good, and Kroos especially is amazing but I'm not sure he's exactly what we need right now. In the highly unlikely scenario we could potentially tempt Bale, I would go for that. I wouldn't want Keylor Navas as he clearly has no desire to play for United given his comments the last time around, and I'd rather Romero over him anyway.
If, however the move is inevitable then I'm sure we'll play hardball to get a deal that suits us. Cash wise about £60-70m is right, but whether we'll get that is another matter. I'm not too keen on getting a Madrid player in return at all now. In the past I'd have wanted Kroos, Morato or Isco but now I feel as if just getting cash and spending it elsewhere would be more suitable. All those players are good, and Kroos especially is amazing but I'm not sure he's exactly what we need right now. In the highly unlikely scenario we could potentially tempt Bale, I would go for that. I wouldn't want Keylor Navas as he clearly has no desire to play for United given his comments the last time around, and I'd rather Romero over him anyway.
I'd take any of Varane, Kroos, or Bale. If we can't get any player as part of the deal, i'd take 60m Euros.
I think the likes of Ramos, Casemiro, Modric and Isco are going nowhere. I wouldn't personally be interested in Navas, Morata or James.
I think the likes of Ramos, Casemiro, Modric and Isco are going nowhere. I wouldn't personally be interested in Navas, Morata or James.
If he has to go, I'd be relatively pleased with a deal involving Morata (his aerial prowess and link up play lead me to believe he'd form a productive partnership with Griezmann).
I'm also a fan of Kovacic, who I think would work well as a #8 in a midfield-three with Pogba and a proper holding player (he's high-energy, a good passer, great dribbler, likes to tackle).
I'm not sure anyone else is particularly realistic or desirable.
The most likely outcome is probably a deal involving a flat fee of 60-70m
I'm also a fan of Kovacic, who I think would work well as a #8 in a midfield-three with Pogba and a proper holding player (he's high-energy, a good passer, great dribbler, likes to tackle).
I'm not sure anyone else is particularly realistic or desirable.
The most likely outcome is probably a deal involving a flat fee of 60-70m
Exactly... De Gea has 10 good years ahead of him, it's not like they're buying a 27 year old winger who relies on pace so probably his last main contract?
Options for me;
- Keep him (seems unlikely I admit)
- We get Kroos.... perfect with Herrera and Pogba. I know Real will want to keep him (hes excellent?!) but we want to keep De Gea?
- Morata plus cash
Kroos
He can stay at United so we don't have to bother with this nonsense. And I will never understand why people are so keen on Bale. We'd do very well to stay far away from him.
Isco is worth more than De Gea.
Morata and £50m - I'd take.
Morata and Varane, and we give them £20m, I'd take.
Bale and we give them £10m, I'd take.
Morata and £50m - I'd take.
Morata and Varane, and we give them £20m, I'd take.
Bale and we give them £10m, I'd take.
Bale.
A lot of money. A serious, eye-watering amount that will either put them off or be an incredible deal for us.
Otherwise they can feck off.
Otherwise they can feck off.
As much cash as we can screw out of the dratsabs. Same approach as everyone takes with us.
Don't want Bale unless we're looking for someone to keep Jones company in the sick room.
Don't want Bale unless we're looking for someone to keep Jones company in the sick room.
Bale.
It should be just money, £75 million is a fair price for someone like De Gea in the current market.
We don't really need anyone from Real who they would be willing to sell.
Ronaldo + cash.
de Gea is one of the Best in his position + we don't need the money + it's Real Madrid. I would say we should demand £40m and Morata.
A big pile of money, none of the players they're offering around would interest me.
Varane just hasn't developed, Bale is injured more often than not, James isn't an improvement on what we have.
I'd take Kroos, Modric, Isco or Ronaldo but they're pretty much the only players they wont let go
Only one i'd be really keen on is Kroos too
Varane just hasn't developed, Bale is injured more often than not, James isn't an improvement on what we have.
I'd take Kroos, Modric, Isco or Ronaldo but they're pretty much the only players they wont let go
Only one i'd be really keen on is Kroos too
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You just don't sell the best keeper in the world when you're trying to make the step up as a club. Offer him a new contract while we're at it.
I think we should be talking Griezmann like money. There are plenty of good system players out there, but it's rare that an individual makes a difference. We need to be able to sign a "difference maker" to replace a "difference maker".
I think we should be talking Griezmann like money. There are plenty of good system players out there, but it's rare that an individual makes a difference. We need to be able to sign a "difference maker" to replace a "difference maker".
We wont get one of their big stars and i wouldn't want any of their fringe.
DDG is the best in the world, he's worth Pogba money and we should make them pay it
DDG is the best in the world, he's worth Pogba money and we should make them pay it
This, take them to the cleaners
£40m + Isco or Morata...
Or £75m.
Or £75m.
Kroos
So, this is me being naive about transfers and all that.
Is there any indication that he might leave to Real? Did he or his agent or his wife say something?
Is there any indication that he might leave to Real? Did he or his agent or his wife say something?
Real Madrids newspapers said we were going to sell / swap him with them
Again and again and again and again
Apparently were willing to swap him for any player they dont want anymore conveniently enough
Why do people still persist with these idiotic player swap ideas? Rarely happens
Anyways it's be straight-up cash, and I'd 60m pounds at the highest (being optimistic)
If you think a keeper will be sold for more than Ronaldo (yes it was 8 years ago and what not)
Anyways it's be straight-up cash, and I'd 60m pounds at the highest (being optimistic)
If you think a keeper will be sold for more than Ronaldo (yes it was 8 years ago and what not)