Yep, reckon that could be England's best-ever white-ball display. Superb.
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Agree Ash. Morgan made a great point about losing games the right way. India could do with that mentality.
In fact if I was the BCCI I'd offer Morgan and Bayliss the coaching job now. Pay them whatever it takes and ask them to do the same job they did on ENG. Their legacy is phenomenal.
I already predicted this.
I love how some Indian fans try to portray England fans as arrogant, failing to understand the irony in it. An extraordinary lack of self awareness. India got absolutely annihilated, right now England fans deserve to be arrogant.
Which ones?
Please share posts which has mentioned Englands fans being arrogant?
Dravid fits them perfectly. A yes man who will not ruffle any feathers. The fact that we still see dhawan being our captain in meaningless series should tell where team India is heading.
I am expecting another disappointment next year at the WC. At least we get to see exciting talent in IPL.
No doubt.
Won't make a difference because the team and players aren't necessarily receptive to changes.
This is reflection of India as a country.
ODI WC is in India so we have a better chance than usual of winning. Problem is they won't have the gumption to start Gill as an opener when he is tailor made for ODI format. Similarly will back other experienced players. Bizarre that we are completely unable to find a gun spinner now when almost every top nation has it. Time to offer Rashid, Indian citizenship...
You've just got to purge the likes of Rahul from the set up. Make an example of him by ending his international career.
Reward players like Shaw & SKY for their approach with a longer rope
What's also funny is how this Indian management since 2017 CT final defeat like to undo all the work they do in between WCs. The fact that they had Kuldeep Chahal as the spin duo going to 2019 WC, only for abandoning that in crunch games in the wc and the eventual sf exit. Similarly deciding to not have ashwin but to play wicket taking spinners in LOI, only for them to bring him back before the WC and then play two spinners in Rahul Chahar and Chakravarthy and then those two spinners have gone missing.
Then after last year's debacle , deciding we will play with intent and selecting the likes of Ishan and other young players and bringing back chahal and grooming bishnoi only to drop them to return to the same old people.
I was an advocate of Rohit taking over the captaincy but the guy has been the biggest disappointment. His body language looks nothing like he is with MI. The guy knows he doesn't deserve to be there but continues to play. Shame he hasn't announced his retirement from t20 cricket.
Then after last year's debacle , deciding we will play with intent and selecting the likes of Ishan and other young players and bringing back chahal and grooming bishnoi only to drop them to return to the same old people.
I was an advocate of Rohit taking over the captaincy but the guy has been the biggest disappointment. His body language looks nothing like he is with MI. The guy knows he doesn't deserve to be there but continues to play. Shame he hasn't announced his retirement from t20 cricket.
Rahul's already made himself an ODI opener again, after Kohli dropped him down to 4/5th after the 2019 WC.
There's so much talent in India, you'll get it right eventually.
The big thing you're lacking is a couple of quality openers. Look at England - Bairstow is injured, Roy has lost form and we can still field two quality options at the top.
The problem is that the IPL teams love overseas openers so the number of candidates is limited.
Less than a year to go and time is already being wasted by giving opportunities to the likes of dhawan. They will create some plan only to abandon after the IPLs because they will see vijay shankar or some other useless past it prick doing well for couple of matches and then picking him.
Shaw should already be a regular but he won't because they would want rohit and dhawan to open the innings just for fun.
He won't open. Our current ODI battling line up when every fit and available is:
Rohit Dhawan Kohli Pant KL Hardik Jadeja
I would assume Pant will be replaced by SKY now and potentially KL will have to keep.
This is not the case. Indian players close to NT who open in IPL: Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul, Ishan Kishan, Dhawan, Shubham Gill, Shaw, Gaikwad, V. Iyer, Mayank Agarwal. Only notable foreign openers are Butler, Warner, De Kock, Bairstow (occassionally)
What’s the deal with Wood then? Is he in contention for Sunday? Could do with holding Jordan back for his super sub role to replace our worst fielder for the end of the innings.
We have lot of young amazing opening talent but the issue is Rohit has blocked one place and management don't want to look beyond Rahul.
I know it may backfire but if it was me I would look at Shaw and Jaiswal for t20s and tell them , kids you are going to be playing next 10 matches for sure. Go and have fun.
Same in Odis I will pick Gill and Shaw and tell them you are my primary openers. Go and play explosive cricket. Then you have back up of Ishan Kishan, Gaikwad, Jaiswal and others who you play here and there.
Same applies to bowling. Tell Bishnoi, you are my primary spinner and will play for us. And have others like Chahal around. If we keep on persisting rohit rahul shami bhuvi dhawan you will continue to fail.
Bang on. It is obvious Rohit is not a good captain if chips are down. MI last season after losing likes of Hardik also proved the same. He looked great in India bi-laterals which we win all the time and captaining a MI side with talents like Malinga, Pollard, Bumrah, Sky, Hardik, Ishan at their peak at different points. Add to that he sets a very bad example on fitness front unlike Kohli and he is a bad choice for a leader. This is not 90s cricket.
It is crazy how our selection is driven by fear and keep going back to experienced players. Ashwin and Bhuvi played 2014 final against Lanka and now are still here 8 years later. Even Sky could have broken in about 1-2 years before he did but Kohli/management did not give him any chance. Same is happening now with players like Tripathi and Shaw, who attack from ball one.
My biggest complain with rohit is his body language looks defeatist. He at least in his prime used to come with a positive attitude, now nothing. Won't be surprised if MI also throw him out if they have another shit season.
Sadly team India are stuck with him.
If MI throw him out surely India will as well? Seems obvious to me they have to make Hardik captain, what he did with Gujarat was immense.
India also need to open with Pant I reckon. Just stick with him and he’ll come good
On top of that, I still think Salt has been very harshly done by being leapfrogged like he has.
What happened to Kuldeep Yadav?
No, Hales deserves his spot and has played the Big Bash in Australia so you can why they would pick him. Salt could give Malan a run for 3rd.
Buttler was very coy so not sure, will definitely need some pace but Jordan did ok so Wood should only play if 100% fit.
I understand why they made the choice they did, I just think it’s harsh albeit they’re seemingly vindicated in doing it
Get Pant and Kohli opening with SKY at 3.
England need Wood in the side, only player who can consistently get wickets in the middle overs
Had a resurgence lately but the poor performances across IPL 2019 & WC 2019 hit his confidence really badly. As a spinner in general he struggles when he gets hit for a lot. I think he will definitely get a chance in coming gap years.
Great points,
- Rohit was part of a great squad when he achieved what he did with MI. Appointing likes of Dravid & Laxman around him, who may be great coaches but were inherently defensive players, is counter-productive.
- Rohit has always been NoHit for me. loved his innings in ODIs & for MIs, but not clutch. You need clutch players in T20. folks like me wont work. not made for T20, just a reality of the situation.
- Its not just about playing Ashwin or using Rahul & others, its about overall approach. We freaking have 3 good squads, yet when pressure comes we opt for a "safe" route (going back to my point #1).
The only way forward in next year's world cup, need to be brutal in moving on. no point in appointing a captain who's already have a dodgy fitness record plus surrounding him with defensive minded staff. where's the innovation?
the guy is a joke of a player. Awesome talent but shaky mind. plenty of other guys to step-in.
One thing I will say, whoever wins on Sunday, the PSL wins. Hales, Malan, Salt, Moeen, Livingstone, Brooks, Willey, Jordan, Mills PSL legends 
That's why the win is more pleasing because it leaves a bitter taste in the losers mouth
Agree
Yep, feels like the PSL is being taken more serously all the timeOne thing I will say, whoever wins on Sunday, the PSL wins. Hales, Malan, Salt, Moeen, Livingstone, Brooks, Willey, Jordan, Mills PSL legends
I already get the feeling Sunday is going to be a shambles with the weather.
What an unoriginal bellend.