It’s literally been hours since being knocked out but the the very best teams plan well ahead. This cycle is done for India and planning for the next WC, which just happens to be in India starts now. Shaw, Gill, Iyer, Samson and obviously Pant and all good enough to be starting the first match of that tournament
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Yep absolutely.
As you say already 2 years have been completely wasted where Iyer could have not only solved the no. 4 woes but also had big game experience and maybe some voice in the dressing room. This Virat Kohli + friends circus is incredibly pissing over some really promising talent and this kind of shit management has been carried by mercurial talents like Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah etc. We're lucky to have such match winners but the high dependency on them proves to be disastrous like we saw today.
Can't agree more with the last line. We all know Dhoni was finished before this tournament started and that he will cost us a big game, but instead of fixating on that focus on the bigger issues that will impact the next 10 years. M.S. will leave at max in a year or so, if not now, but what are we doing for the rest of the team by ignoring the likes of Pant in favour of clowns like Shankar and not having any viable candidate for captaincy.
Building anything around KL Rahul will fall on it's face like he does as soon as anything meaningful is expected off him. The absolute definition of a fair weather player. Will be glad to see the back of him from the team. Get Shaw opening for us right away and add Iyer and Gill to the middle order.
Even in terms of pure talent based on which Rahul struts around, Gill has far greater talent and hopefully he won't be as mentally fragile. I'm only up for keeping Rohit, Kohli, Pant and Pandya in the current line up, get three spots filled up with fresh talent and groom them now. Rohit is old but still good enough and we can't have a completely young outfit and need some experience as well for which he'll do.
Hockey anyone?Tell me about it
I for one support Kabbaddi
Think india would have won that without guptils top class run out
Knowing how we have operated. Selectors will bring back Dhawan and Shankar because according to them Life was unfair on those two. We will thrash WI and SA and Ban(home series) and Dhawan will score some meaningless tons and come January we would have solved absolutely nothing and will be stuck with the same middle order crisis. I think if our selectors even have 10% brain they should start targeting for 2020 T20 WC. I know it is not 50 overs but we better take that seriously and win it. It will be sad if the likes of Rohit just bow out without winning anything major. Kohli needs to be a bit smart and start taking backseat for next few months and see how the team develops. Stop rewarding mediocre players or players whose ship have sailed any further chances.
But like I said nothing changes till Shastri and co. are removed.
Surprised you say that about Rahul. I know this tournament has shown they are essentially 2 different games, but Rahul has been brilliant in IPL and done OK in test match cricket too. There are some issues, but those can surely be developed and eradicated. Surely thats worth pursuing first; make him a more senior player and ask him to accept that burden, before jettison all that time invested in him?
Gill, Samson, Shaw and Pant and others are certainly a generation to look forward to, but they will take quite a few years before they have the experience, adaptability and temperament to continually succeed at the highest level of Indian cricket?
I doubt. Dhoni was playing with fire. One mistake and we would have lost anyways. It's not easy to just hit 25 of 11 in such long boundaries with 3 wickets remaining. Dhoni should have taken more risk in middle overs. Heck he was leaving deliveries when we needed 52 of 31. It was a poorly planned innings which was bound to fail the moment Jadeja got out.
Why did Shami get dropped?
Haven't posted in ages and ages. But after such an occasion, time I did, at least for one post.
Before I say what I want to say, I'll say that I like India cricket team, am a big fan of Dhoni and Bumrah as cricketers, and wanted them in final, as England vs India is the dream final and my sister who lives 5 mins walk from Lords had planned an amazing finals day party planned. Not to be. Plus only very boring fans left in the cup so the finals day party will be very boring.
But as we've seen a glimpse of from this thread for a lot of this tournament, (I've been reading every once in a while), many India fans are quite intolerable. India fans have a superiority complex re nation and cricket, esp with other sub continant countries and England, and love to dine out on that. They call that banter. But when the time comes for them to have to take it back, they lose their shit with disgraceful responses. What should be banter becomes deeply personal, hurtful and vicious. Internet is full of it, and I've seen loads of Indians totally losing any semblance of self respect today.
Anyways, what I wanted to say at India fans was simply this: World class @ choking
This is like celebrating another dude giving your gf a good drilling when you couldnt but hey, great to see what you came back posting for
Erm. OK then. Thanks for the banterThis is like celebrating another dude giving your gf a good drilling when you couldnt but hey, great to see what you came back posting for
Doubt that.
Good time to admit you were wrong. Well done Manjrekar
What a brutal end for him with 14 wickets in 4 games at an average of 13
He's loved by Brit Indians too ... Love his song! Heard it first at Champions Trophy semi final last in 2017.
Another reason Indian selectors deserve this loss today!
Based on what? He's been hopeless whenever seen in an Indian shirt for LOIs. Like I said if we are going to give someone a chance for pure ability, it should be Gill as based on pure talent he's the best thing we've had since Kohli.
In one way looking from the outside you could say that, but it was the last batting partnership, if he got out early doing the same was over by then, he should have hit a couple of boundaries or a six earlier, target was within sights for India. It's easy to say, but difficult to execute with no one left to bat and make runs in the end.
Lost the game when Jadeja was out.
Another fecking terrible argument. It's not a league, it's the fecking World Cup. The clue is in the second word. Every World Cup (football, rugby, cricket, netball, etc.) has a group stage followed by the KO stages. It's not exactly like this is new territory.
The reason why it's straight to semi final's is because there's only 10 teams. 40% of teams go through. Weren't you the same guy moaning that there's too much fodder in the group stage?
I understand that but atleast rotate the strike more. Just blocking one end does no good. And dhoni doing this off late is really frustrating considering he was the best in rotation of strikes.
The White Stripes one?
He was.
He didn't take those with new ball, but when players were hitting him in slog overs. He was also giving runs away at the death.
I thought Williamson in the last 10 was clear headed and very good. He reacted very well to Jadeja's innings - high scoring shots were in front of square - he posted boundary riders in a wide V and didn't bother with actual or bluffed short ball tactics. Jadeja had to take them on and that's when the scoring dried up a bit.
Under pressure - that was very impressive. Bowling changes spot on the more you think about it with hindsight.
Under pressure - that was very impressive. Bowling changes spot on the more you think about it with hindsight.
I don't think Shami would have made much difference. Bar chahal every other bowler bowled well yesterday. It was the batting that collapsed. Anyways just realized wasn't Dinesh Karthik groomed for the finisher's role, especially after the nidhas trophy. Feck was he sent to build the innings when we were 5-3. The more I think the more I am getting pissed at Kohli and Shastri. Dhoni should have come at 5-3.
He is a very good captain as he also shows in IPL. I really hope he helps NZ win the WC. Classy guy and top batsmen.
Except the tournament was played with a league format. Every team playing each other is not what WCs are meant to be.
Anyway I'm not arguing this anymore.
That is partially true imo . He took 2 with the new ball against WI , 1 against Bangladesh and even against England he was the one who opened the floodgates by getting Bairstow & Morgan out . He also bowled really well with the new ball against England and had a couple of inside edges that went for 4. He got dropped for his death bowling but I feel that Bhuvi was the safer option while shami was the more wicket taking option and Kohli generally favours safe options
It's beyond understanding of us mere mortals.
To be honest, its not so difficult when you're miles ahead of your opposition. All NZ needed was a wicket and it was game over.
Lets say Dhoni doesn't get run out, Neesham bowling the last over could have been a really bad move.
I think he would have taken more risk if there was one batsman like Pandya or someone else still left after him.
Its not really that confusing. Dhonis been awful so they didn't want him in.
But he didn't. We scored 15 odd runs between 20-30 overs. Again all I am saying is why has he stopped even rotating the strikes which was his real strength. No one is asking him to go bang bang from ball one but atleast rotate the strike more. He used to do that brilliantly.
Then why even have him the squad. I don't think its that reason. They just tried to protect Dhoni as they knew if Dhoni goes the match is over. But that is poor planning by Kohli and Shastri. I believe Dhoni would have been fine and handled much better than Karthik.