ICC Cricket World Cup 2015

Uzz said:
There's truth in that but if you look at the worlds best batsmen (Amla, Sanga, Y Khan) although they can play these ornate, innovative shots, they excel in the traditional orthodox ways. You'll never get David Warner or Kohli etc being discussed as the world best batsmen because they don't do the orthodox stuff well.

I don't know if that makes sense.
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I think Kohli plays the orthodox stuff pretty well. The recent test series against Australia should take him to a new level as I often felt he was guilty of getting out cheaply in tests because there isn't the intensity of a ODI that he thrives on.

To give an example from the other side of the coin: Chris Rogers. Now he's a throwback (he's 38 so he grew up playing this way). His straight drives and cuts are excellent but he isn't a manipulator of the ball, nor is he someone who will charge at a bowler for an over or two and wrestle initiative. He is solid defensively but his array of scoring shots is quite low. But he perfects those shots so he keeps ticking over. Watching him with Warner who is a basher is fun and successful. But an up and coming batsman who bats the way Rogers does would likely be perceived as too limited to succeed at internationals.
 
Uzz said:
There's truth in that but if you look at the worlds best batsmen (Amla, Sanga, Y Khan) although they can play these ornate, innovative shots, they excel in the traditional orthodox ways. You'll never get David Warner or Kohli etc being discussed as the world best batsmen because they don't do the orthodox stuff well.

I don't know if that makes sense.
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Three words. Ab De Villiers!
 
akash02 said:
That's a strange view. Who says you have to do things the "right way" to be considered great? All that matters is runs on the board however you do it.
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What I'm trying to say it-the best batsmen are traditionally viewed and considered as the best for their orthodox stroke play, as well as the T20 type of shots. The players who only excel in the T20 type of shots won't be put in that same category just because they don't excel at stroke play. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. It's just the purist side of cricket is seen as better.
 
Spoony said:
Not much, four games...four 300± scores. I've not seen much help for the bowlers which is a pretty sad state of affairs in a sport already heavily weighted in favour of batsmen. But heh, the public gets what the public wants...
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I think the number of overs under field restrictions are ridiculous.

There's no regard at all for the bowlers.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I think the number of overs under field restrictions are ridiculous.

There's no regard at all for the bowlers.
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As WG Grace said, the crowd goes to see the batsmen bat. Not the bowlers bowl. Sucks but its true. Mitch Johnson and Dale Steyn are probably the only two bowlers I would pay to go see.

15 years ago (in a more even game) Steyn would be in the "legends" bracket.
 
The issue is T20, I think with that around ODI's have had to fudge a few things to bring the game towards the batsmen, there have been so many rule changes with the fielding restrictions that I honestly couldn't tell you how many men are allowed outside the circle in normal overs anymore. Tests will always be where it's at to me, the One Day game has me so conflicted, I have no idea if the batsmen are ridiculously good or if the bowlers are really bad and the odds are stacked against them. It might be both.

Was watching the Zimbabwe highlights and seeing Steyn get hit for two 4's and a six in one over by the number 8 just had me like :eek:. Batsmen really don't give a flying feck anymore.
 
NM said:
As WG Grace said, the crowd goes to see the batsmen bat. Not the bowlers bowl. Sucks but its true. Mitch Johnson and Dale Steyn are probably the only two bowlers I would pay to go see.

15 years ago (in a more even game) Steyn would be in the "legends" bracket.
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For me it's all about fast bowling.
 
Spoony said:
For me it's all about fast bowling.
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I agree - there just aren't that many good fast bowlers around. Even spinners I would say. Add that to thick bats and shit fielding restrictions and you have a batters game.
 
Spinners are going down the drain too. More emphasis on all rounders hence the best spinner probably will struggle to get in the team against a darter who can bat a bit. Sides going with the tactic of keeping the runs down so firing flatter deliveries as opposed to bowling for wickets.
 
South Africa will bottle it like they normally do. They will probably beat india and then lose in the semi final or something.
 
Ireland deserve at least T20 or ODI recognition. All teams touring England should also play Ireland in a couple of games.
 
NM said:
Ireland deserve at least T20 or ODI recognition. All teams touring England should also play Ireland in a couple of games.
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Could be the last time we're in a World Cup! Disgraceful really.
 
WI huff and puff their way to 304, thus maintaining the world cup trend so far. 30 runs too many for Ireland to chase IMO
 
Kazi said:
All four games have been exactly the same.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it remains the predominant trend for the rest of the tournament; i.e. the team batting first with a massive advantage.

These pitches have a lot of wear and tear due to this being the tail end of the cricket season in those parts. I suspect they'll be good to bat on in the first innings when they are fresh and rolled on, as the game progresses they'll get slower and tougher to bat on. We'll see a lot of team pick two spinners as the tourney goes on.

Yesterday it wasn't easy for Kohli or Dhoni to get going in the later part of the Indian innings. Raina was the only batsmen in the two teams who accelerated at will on the wicket yesterday. It didn't have a lot of pace and had variable bounce.

Sylar said:
South Africa will bottle it like they normally do. They will probably beat india and then lose in the semi final or something.
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The latest they'll meet India is in the semi's as both teams will likely qualify for the next round from the same group. It'll be Lanka or England they'll thrash to reach the semi's. After that I agree, they'll most likely lose to Aussies or the Kiwis.
 
Best Spinner in this world cup as to be Daniel Vettori,he bowls brilliantly,underrated for most of his career.This would be last world cup as well.
 
I can't believe Ireland are giving us a run for our money. Despite all our problems and key players missing, this should be a no contest tbh.
 
peanuthead said:
I can't believe Ireland are giving us a run for our money. Despite all our problems and key players missing, this should be a no contest tbh.
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Not really. Ireland are a decent team and WI are in bad state. Even associate nations teams have good stroke players now so in era of flat pitches and only 4 men outside circle, bowling needs to be pretty accurate. Otherwise, score of around 300 on small NZ grounds, chasing teams will always have chance.
 
Some really ordinary bowling from WI here. They need an inspiring bowling spell from somewhere else this match is gone for them.
 
As long as it is not against our team,I love the minnows playing well !! It feels like WI have just run out of ideas..
 
kotha said:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-no-world-cup-for-the-minnows-2060267

Stupid rule change if you ask me.. Not like cricket has a huge following as it is..
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Ireland actually deserve test status. Especially if we consider how soon Bangladesh got. Problem is, Bangladesh is Cricket crazy so it made sense commercially. Probably doesn't make commercial sense to award test status to Ireland. It will also mean mandatory series with test nations and the top nations might not want to squeeze out time for Ireland from their schedules jam packed with IPL etc.

There really should be relegation system for test nations every 2-3 years if Cricket can't accommodate more than 10 test nations.
 
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