ICC Cricket World Cup 2011

Yeah because that's what I've done since joining the forum. If anything I'm a 'plastic' for supporting Bangladesh. Not born there, never lived there till last year, couldn't speak the language for a long long time and not a passport holder.

:mad:

I should be supporting USA cricket and Australia as my 2nd team.

I'll still be cheering Bangladesh on, and of course supporting Australia, but satisfaction is a hell of a lot more when Bangladesh get a result.

:rolleyes:









:D
Hehe, so you were born a coconut? :D I support Pakistan and have been there numerous times but there's no way in hell I'd move from here and live there. Neo-nationalism has its limits y'know. ;)
 
Positives from the epic battle between Bangladesh and West Indies(from a Bangladesh perspective)

1. Didn't lose by 10 wickets - take that Zimbabwe
2. In the record books for lowest score ever in a WC by a test nation - not a positive record, but a record nevertheless
3. NRR is still less than -2(-1.76)
4. The poorer areas of Dhaka have been suffering from power cuts, and the floodlights being lit at the stadium would have meant hours without power for them. The national team, being great servants of the nation, thought about the greater good, and ensured the match was completed well before floodlights were necessary.
5. I left at the end of the Bangladeshi innings, and got home with no traffic jams to worry about
6. I didn't have to pay for my ticket.

So all in all a record breaking day for Bangladesh cricket.

So team, I salute you


:lol::lol: Noble peace prizes for all 11 I'd say. Glad my father in law paid for my tickets too! As a side note, I suddenly had 5 hours that had been planned for totally now free .... so my conspiracy analytics have gone in overdrive since after the game and so sitting with some roadside chaiwallahs, here is as far as we got ....

Seriously knowledgeable, objective and neutral cricket commentators like Ganguly, Atherton and Lloyd ridiculed Kenya's scores of 112 and 69 as having lowered the prestige of this 'World Cup'. So where does that leave Bangladesh's innings of 59?

Well firstly, its complicated by the fact that they are now a test nation as well as co-host of this years tournament. And this honour was given in part because Bangladesh should now be treated as part of the 'grown up' family (and perform like one, on of off the pitch). Talk of it being a 'minnow' is simply are not true anymore; the team has some degree of genuine talent with players like Tamim, Saqib, Kayes, the enigma that is Ashraful and bowlers like Shafiul and the absent Mortoza.

So is a team of Kenya's ability is struggling to hit 100 (which is rightly deemed as unacceptable for such a prestige performance), then a team of Bangladesh's capability must surely have a negative base line that must be higher. Peter Schiemical often says that his definition of a players class is to judge his lowest capable performance and see if that is noticed by his team mates. Whenever Paul Scholes (or in the old days Bryan Robson) had a bad game, it was unnoticeable as he had simply dropped to a level of most other players playing at their best.

As a test playing nation full of 'professional' cricketers who are on central contracts playing in home conditions, in front in what has rightly been applauded as possible the best most passionately vocal supporters in world cricket, Bangladesh's base line for its worst performance simply has to be higher than scoring 59. It just has to be. Else, how can they be deemed as 'professional'. A professional by definitions promises you a certain lowest form of acceptability. Bangladesh's is surly higher that playing in a game expected to end at 10pm but the suddenly all over by 430pm!

So if its not ability, then what other factors? A few come to mind. The first is this side a virtually no mental discipline and so the players crumble under even the faintest of pressure, most of the is imaginary only in their won minds. But surely that cant affect all 11 players at the same time as it did today?

Perhaps the game was compromised in some way through irregular financial arrangements. But given the extra vigilance exerted by the authorities since the Pakistan trio were rumbled in the recent England tour, it would make such a thing very difficult to pull of. And even then, if you were going to throw a game, would you really make it so obvious?!

My last possible scenario is team inter-dynamics. I remember back to the 1998 Football World Cup Final where France played Brazil in Paris. Before the game, news got out that there was a selection dilemma on whether to played Brazils legendary striker Ronaldo who was clearly unfit. Brazils President and Nike's global CEO both put pressure on the coach to include Ronaldo, the coach though otherwise and so in the hours leading up the game of a lifetime, the Brazil dressing room was noisy with international telephone calls, in fighting and divisions. Soon players took sides, the arguments got fiercer and sometimes violent. In the end, the coach was ordered by his national president to play Ronaldo or be sacked on the spot. That is the mindset the Brazil team took onto the field when they went out to play. As you will remember, they were comprehensively thrashed 3-0 with Zizou scoring twice.

So my last hypothesis is that perhaps the mother of all arguments have been raging within Team Bangladesh these past few days. Maybe some player has slept with the wife of another or one has been insulted by another (Bangladeshi's are renowned for their irrational and volatile emotions), and that has gotten the entire embroiled. Maybe a few have been caught with prostitutes and shitting themselves that the story will break (As United fans, we know how that one goes), maybe some of them are about to be exposed for corruption charges ..... whatever it was, its plausible that the team have not had there minds of the job, zero mental preparation had taken place and they wee just not unified strongly enough to deliver any kind of performance and in doing so have reduced their won prestige as well as that of the tournament.

Whatever it was, and I look forward to hearing the multitude of hypotheses that will be discussed in the days ahead, I think its far more complicated and sinister than captain Sakib's lame explanation that 'It was just not our day today'. Sorry Sakib, just not good enough. Your card has been well and truly numbered.
 
India beat Bangladesh
India draw with England
Bangladesh beat Ireland
Ireland beat England
West Indies destroy Bangladesh

Mental tournament.
 
Well, 3 of them were expected and 1 wasn't unlikely, there's only the Ireland result against England that is much of a surprise.
Bangladesh beat Ireland who beat England who drew with India who beat Bangladesh who got hammered by India who drew with England who were beaten by Ireland who lost to Bangladesh. And so on. A funny set of results I thought, when compared with each other.
 
Bangladesh beat Ireland who beat England who drew with India who beat Bangladesh who got hammered by India who drew with England who were beaten by Ireland who lost to Bangladesh. And so on. A funny set of results I thought, when compared with each other.

The thing is (for you Irish ;)) a lot of the test nations are quite similar in terms of ability in the one day game, so most of the results between them come as no surprise (except the very rare draw)
 
Oh it's indicative of Symcox's character all right. Snide unbearable cnut.

He had this habit of scratching his armpits and then smelling his fingers. The cameras would focus on this. Whenever he came on to bowl, the missus would say " Aw shit. Here comes the cess pit".
 
:lol::lol: Noble peace prizes for all 11 I'd say. Glad my father in law paid for my tickets too! As a side note, I suddenly had 5 hours that had been planned for totally now free .... so my conspiracy analytics have gone in overdrive since after the game and so sitting with some roadside chaiwallahs, here is as far as we got ....

Seriously knowledgeable, objective and neutral cricket commentators like Ganguly, Atherton and Lloyd ridiculed Kenya's scores of 112 and 69 as having lowered the prestige of this 'World Cup'. So where does that leave Bangladesh's innings of 59?

Well firstly, its complicated by the fact that they are now a test nation as well as co-host of this years tournament. And this honour was given in part because Bangladesh should now be treated as part of the 'grown up' family (and perform like one, on of off the pitch). Talk of it being a 'minnow' is simply are not true anymore; the team has some degree of genuine talent with players like Tamim, Saqib, Kayes, the enigma that is Ashraful and bowlers like Shafiul and the absent Mortoza.

So is a team of Kenya's ability is struggling to hit 100 (which is rightly deemed as unacceptable for such a prestige performance), then a team of Bangladesh's capability must surely have a negative base line that must be higher. Peter Schiemical often says that his definition of a players class is to judge his lowest capable performance and see if that is noticed by his team mates. Whenever Paul Scholes (or in the old days Bryan Robson) had a bad game, it was unnoticeable as he had simply dropped to a level of most other players playing at their best.

As a test playing nation full of 'professional' cricketers who are on central contracts playing in home conditions, in front in what has rightly been applauded as possible the best most passionately vocal supporters in world cricket, Bangladesh's base line for its worst performance simply has to be higher than scoring 59. It just has to be. Else, how can they be deemed as 'professional'. A professional by definitions promises you a certain lowest form of acceptability. Bangladesh's is surly higher that playing in a game expected to end at 10pm but the suddenly all over by 430pm!

So if its not ability, then what other factors? A few come to mind. The first is this side a virtually no mental discipline and so the players crumble under even the faintest of pressure, most of the is imaginary only in their won minds. But surely that cant affect all 11 players at the same time as it did today?

Perhaps the game was compromised in some way through irregular financial arrangements. But given the extra vigilance exerted by the authorities since the Pakistan trio were rumbled in the recent England tour, it would make such a thing very difficult to pull of. And even then, if you were going to throw a game, would you really make it so obvious?!

My last possible scenario is team inter-dynamics. I remember back to the 1998 Football World Cup Final where France played Brazil in Paris. Before the game, news got out that there was a selection dilemma on whether to played Brazils legendary striker Ronaldo who was clearly unfit. Brazils President and Nike's global CEO both put pressure on the coach to include Ronaldo, the coach though otherwise and so in the hours leading up the game of a lifetime, the Brazil dressing room was noisy with international telephone calls, in fighting and divisions. Soon players took sides, the arguments got fiercer and sometimes violent. In the end, the coach was ordered by his national president to play Ronaldo or be sacked on the spot. That is the mindset the Brazil team took onto the field when they went out to play. As you will remember, they were comprehensively thrashed 3-0 with Zizou scoring twice.

So my last hypothesis is that perhaps the mother of all arguments have been raging within Team Bangladesh these past few days. Maybe some player has slept with the wife of another or one has been insulted by another (Bangladeshi's are renowned for their irrational and volatile emotions), and that has gotten the entire embroiled. Maybe a few have been caught with prostitutes and shitting themselves that the story will break (As United fans, we know how that one goes), maybe some of them are about to be exposed for corruption charges ..... whatever it was, its plausible that the team have not had there minds of the job, zero mental preparation had taken place and they wee just not unified strongly enough to deliver any kind of performance and in doing so have reduced their won prestige as well as that of the tournament.

Whatever it was, and I look forward to hearing the multitude of hypotheses that will be discussed in the days ahead, I think its far more complicated and sinister than captain Sakib's lame explanation that 'It was just not our day today'. Sorry Sakib, just not good enough. Your card has been well and truly numbered.

That's some rubbish. It is very easy for even a good team to have a collapse like the one Bangla suffered yesterday. Even India with likes of Sachin and Dravid have been bundled out for less than 100 in ODIs couple of time.
 
Tough to call the winner in this match. Predicted Pak to win against SL when most thought Lanka would win it.
 
You know it is possible. I remember us getting out for an embarrassingly low score. But I think expectations from the Bangla team seem to be a bit silly. They have a long way to go to be a good team and people need to realize that.
 
TBF, it's natural for expectations to be raised when you're one of the host nations.
They are, but at the same time it's important for them to remember that it is a long road to be a good cricketing team and it doesn't simply come through excitement and enthusiasm. I fear that a lot of players could believe they're suddenly stars and not bother working hard. Luckily for us, all that hype and all with the commercializing of the game came when we were pretty good. Maybe I'm overreacting but it would have been a bit scary had that come earlier in our development because it could hinder it.

Anyways back to the original point, Bangladesh IMO were never favorites to qualify so if they do it should be considered a great achievement not something that is expected.

Bangla fans, do understand this is an outsiders perspective. I don't pretend to know everything about your system or players.
 
Wow...When was that posted?

Sammsky bhai, I assume you've followed this team for a while, so you know it simply does not handle expectation or pressure well.

There was absolutely nothing sinister about that loss other than our lack of a backbone. We quite simply choked at the thought of having a real shot at the QF stage if we beat the Windies.

That batting lineup is and always has been a recipe for disaster, and that nightmare became an embarrassing reality yesterday. We only have two batsmen - Tamim and Shakib, they both failed yesterday, end of story.

No need for us to match fix, our default result is a loss...if anything we'd try to pay the Windies to throw the game.

@Crappy, yup, I thought Pakistan had a real chance too...amongst all the turmoil people forget, the almost always play well in big tournaments.

I have watched live cricket since I was 10.

You were in the stadium. So was I. It was abnormal. Totally abnormal.

Younis has been sacked from the bank he created.

In Bangladesh, most of the time, its the least expected most rotten thing that is the cause of an event. Im sure you know that better than I do.

Lets just see what comes out in the next few days.

Anyway, as I wrote, like you I suddenly had an entire 5 hours unplanned for. Im normally a busy guy so that space of time freaked me out .... and then the mind stated to wonder. And it was not just mine that wondered!
 
More importantly most of the cricket fans in this country are clueless...this is not directed towards you Sammsky Bhai.

Rationale for we'll beat the West Indies easily : Well we beat them in the Caribbean in a test and one day series. So in our backyard it has to be a mere formality.

Minor detail overlooked :

This was the ODI team we beat: Richards, Fletcher, Smith, Reifer, Dowlin, Bernard, Sammy, Lewis, Miller, Roach

This is the team that played yesterday: Smith, Gayle, Bravo, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Pollard, Thomas, Sammy, Miller, Benn, Roach.

Spot the difference?

We beat a 3rd string side put out due to contract disputes...and people all of a sudden thought we were better than the Windies. Hell they are missing Dwayne Bravo from the current team, they might have fallen on hard times, but in the shorter format of the game, they are still a good team.

That's what my post said BTV. It's important for Bangla cricket to keep their feet on the ground. It might actually enable a faster improvement rate. Quite possibly a showing at the WC keeping at par with their current ability rather than the expectations could be what the players need to push them on.

I mean look at the talent in that Windies team, it's far superior. And that's not a slight on Bangla cricket, it's just that it takes a great deal of time to reach that level.
 
Yeah, I suppose you two are right. I'm not completely familiar with how expectant the average Bangla fan is of his side. I suppose the Bangla media probably isn't helping matters...or are they?
 
You probably know Bengalis/Bangladeshis better than I do, not having much to do with Bangladesh or the community for most of my life. But we are very emotional and excitable people.

At the drop of a hat we are on top of the world, and in the blink of an eye, we can be the most pessimistic people alive.

The support for the national team follows a similar pattern. :lol::lol::lol:

I'm sure we'll be fine...I'm not too fussed. My 'want' from this WC was, win against Ireland and the Netherlands, and competent displays against the 'big 4' in the group.
That probably seems right from my experience/ knowledge.

To be fair the hype cloud helps too. It makes sure the team never just rests on it's laurels because very action has a reaction back in the streets at home and the over analysis keeps everyone on their toes. Just have to use that energy well.

A good example is someone like Kohli who despite the hype seems to be quite a determined young man who seems (I use that loosely) to have his feet on the ground. On the other hand I don't know how many young pacers with lots of promise have come and gone (and sometimes come again) in the last 10 years without ever fulfilling their potential. Our management of pacers it the biggest reason for our attack looking average ATM and I think hype does play a part in it.

Right I'm bored my ass off with this topic!
 
SL win the toss and will bat 1st.

What's the pitch like?

Everything depends on SL's start. If they can get a good score batting first I fancy their spinners to cause Australia lots of problems. But I think they should be weary of Australia's pacers who could make a big difference if the ball moves a bit. First 15 overs decisive.
 
I hate to say this but from what I've seen (I don't remember where every match is held), the Indian pitches seem to be the worst with no assistance for any kind of bowler. Pathetic.
 
Tait is the most overrated bowler around. He will probably take a fiver now today but I do not rate him at all.
 
SL are a little too reliant on 2 batsman.

Which bowler do you speak of?
 
Was out, not watching the game. Saw Krejza's over, he seemed to be getting a bit of spin. SL have 3 good spinners.. 250 will be defendable.
 
fecking hell, it's raining.

This has the potential to be the first truly great game with a proper contest between bat and ball. Hope it doesn't ruin it.
 
Match abandoned, Sangakkara played well.

Although disappointing the game did not finish, this helps Pakistan :D
 
I got passes for the England SA match tomorrow!
Pavillion tickets :D
 
Really?! I can't see anything other than an SA thumping. I must channel your optimism though!

Seriously, England will know that psychologically they cannot defend 320+, that's going to be the clincher I reckon.
 
Really?! I can't see anything other than an SA thumping. I must channel your optimism though!

Seriously, England will know that psychologically they cannot defend 320+, that's going to be the clincher I reckon.

Swan will probably be much more effective against SA than us. They can be hopeless against Spin at times.
 
On a completely unrelated note, I just got to know Kochi's IPL Team Name-
"Indi Commandos"
wtf?
 
Really?! I can't see anything other than an SA thumping. I must channel your optimism though!

Seriously, England will know that psychologically they cannot defend 320+, that's going to be the clincher I reckon.

Never know in a one off match. I'm hoping it's a good contest. I will be supporting England. Seem like a nice bunch of guys.
 
Even worse. 'Indi' to mean 'independent'.

Explaining the reason behind the name, the Kochi franhise said: "'INDI' stands for an independent Indian cricket team that will go ahead to win a billion hearts. 'COMMANDOS' stands for an elite fighting squad, renown for attacking with speed, stealth and deadly power."


IPL: Kochi names its team Indi Commandos | News | NDTVSports.com

The facepalm picture will be so appropriate here.