Ibrahimovic and Berbatov

B9 from YAWN said:
He may have the look of a 30m player, but he certainly hasn't delivered what you want for that kind of money yet.
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In terms of goals and assists in the league this season:

Gerrard 9 goals and 5 assists: 14 contributed goals
Berbatov 6 goals and 9 assists: 15 contributed goals

I'm far from saying that Berbatov has been better or as good as Gerrard but maybe he has contributed more to our season than some people have noticed.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Kaka had 2 seasons where he was exellent in europe. Yet Ibrahimovic was voted Player of the Year in Italy ahead of Kaka.

He has won the league for every team he has played for, performance wise he was exellent last season and has continued to be very good this season even with inter in transition.

All it takes to win major awards is european success.
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exaxtl, because that's the biggest stage. It's apparently all it takes and that's what he always fails at including looking ordinary in international football.

And there's no need to put down ronaldos achievements of last season. We would never have won the cl if it wasn't for him, just as we wouldn't have if it wasn't for rio and vida. He was the best player in the world and one ofthe players without whole we would have had a very different season. Highest game of his united career he popped up a lovely goal. As opposed to ibra who always looks lazy unintereted and honestly comes across as lacking in ability too when the world watches. Kaka is a big match player as well that's why he's become a bigger name than ibra. He's been awesome in re cl.
 
Ekeke said:
Then you must write a list detailing them, since you must know.

He's certainly put a few in with his swinger in his career. But he has little confidence in his left foot, almost always electing to use the outside of his very cultured right foot instead. Of course there are some situations where its better to use your left foot and he rarely will. Compare that to some of Ibrahimovic's left footed goals, I can think of at least one 25-30 yarder with his left foot and you'll see how one footed Berbatov is for a skillful player.
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The fact he uses the outside of his foot so often has feck all to do with being too one footed, he just wants to show off a bit and it always looks more classy.

He finishes with the outside of his right fot a lot too.
 
B9 from YAWN said:
He may have the look of a 30m player, but he certainly hasn't delivered what you want for that kind of money yet.
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But he has though.

He might not have delivered what you want but he's definitely delivered what the majority of United fans want.
 
He looked every bit a £30M to me if I'm honest. And he's getting better as the games go by. I'm sure the majority of Utd fans would agree too.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
When you have a right as good as Berbatov who cares about a left.
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Exactly.

The same for Messi, which makes the argument that he's too one foooted just bizarre.

I think Ibrahimovic is just a more aggressive version of Berbatov, pretty much the only big difference.
 
Brwned said:
Exactly.

The same for Messi, which makes the argument that he's too one foooted just bizarre.

I think Ibrahimovic is just a more aggressive version of Berbatov, pretty much the only big difference.
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Aye Brwned.

Zlatan is simelar to Berbs in every way, he is slightly taller, a bit more physically imposing and has a little bit more pace. He has more aggression and more attitude.

I'd say Berbatov is the smoother player, Ibra can get into some scrappy play but berbatov rarely ruffles a feather.

Ibra is also a bit younger.

Anyway i don't understand all this "Ibrahimovic is lazy, he doesnt try, he gets moody" talk. Yes he has been guilty of that in the past but under Mourinho he has upped his level of commitment and really puts in a shift for the team as well as himself.

All the bull about bottling is nonsense as well. Ibrahimovic is the main man at Inter Milan and to be the main man at a big club you need some character to go with your skill and i think he has that.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Aye Brwned.

Zlatan is simelar to Berbs in every way, he is slightly taller, a bit more physically imposing and has a little bit more pace. He has more aggression and more attitude.

I'd say Berbatov is the smoother player, Ibra can get into some scrappy play but berbatov rarely ruffles a feather.

Ibra is also a bit younger.

Anyway i don't understand all this "Ibrahimovic is lazy, he doesnt try, he gets moody" talk. Yes he has been guilty of that in the past but under Mourinho he has upped his level of commitment and really puts in a shift for the team as well as himself.

All the bull about bottling is nonsense as well. Ibrahimovic is the main man at Inter Milan and to be the main man at a big club you need some character to go with your skill and i think he has that.
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Yeah, I'd say that's a reasonable summary.

I do think that Ibra's CL record is poor though and I can't remember watching him put in a decent performance on that stage. Of course, this is tempting fate massively so I'll just say yeah, he's an excellent player :)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Base on the CL stats, you could probably add "but less prolific" right after "more aggresive" :smirk:
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Indeed you could.

Berbatov's thrived in Europe whereas Ibrahimvoic hasn't even come closs to doing so.

I reckon Berbatov will finish as our top scorer in Europe and possibly the top scorer overall.

Been saying that for a while because he did so well in Europe for Spurs as well.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Aye Brwned.

Zlatan is simelar to Berbs in every way, he is slightly taller, a bit more physically imposing and has a little bit more pace. He has more aggression and more attitude.

I'd say Berbatov is the smoother player, Ibra can get into some scrappy play but berbatov rarely ruffles a feather.

Ibra is also a bit younger.

Anyway i don't understand all this "Ibrahimovic is lazy, he doesnt try, he gets moody" talk. Yes he has been guilty of that in the past but under Mourinho he has upped his level of commitment and really puts in a shift for the team as well as himself.

All the bull about bottling is nonsense as well. Ibrahimovic is the main man at Inter Milan and to be the main man at a big club you need some character to go with your skill and i think he has that.
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Pretty much how I'd go with it.

although I don't think Ibrahimovic uses his pace half as well as Berbatov does, as stupid as that sounds. He's relatively fast, and when he gets in behind he does more often than not burst on through, but he doesn't do it enough. Berbatov actually does that slightly better IMO, despite being slower and lazier.

And about the lazy talk, it's just typical bollocks from people who have only watched him once or twice for Sweden and in the Champions League.
 
kouroux said:
I don't understand how Berba uses his pace better Brwned,he barely use it
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But when he does it's effective, which is the point.

Maybe he just has better movement, maybe I imagine it, but I don't think Ibrahimovic uses his pace well enough and it's a shame because if he did it would add another dimension to his game.
 
kouroux said:
I don't understand how Berba uses his pace better Brwned,he barely use it
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I think its a case of when he does though, he uses it well. There's been a few instances where his speed as actually surprised me. He's by no means quick, but he's quicker than most give him credit for I think.

More so when he gets the ball to feet, spins and runs with it. I've no idea ow he does it but he looks as if he's jogging yet no fecker can get the ball off him.
 
Brwned said:
Exactly.

The same for Messi, which makes the argument that he's too one foooted just bizarre.

I think Ibrahimovic is just a more aggressive version of Berbatov, pretty much the only big difference.
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Who said he's too one footed?

I just said that Ibrahimovic has a much better left foot. Berbatov isnt the most severe case of a one footed player, but he favours it in situations his left foot would be suited for a lot of the time and you dont see him score with it from outside the box. Not that he scores that often from outside the box with his right either, but a lot more often.

Ibrahimovic can hit a rocket with either foot though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, I'd say that's a reasonable summary.

I do think that Ibra's CL record is poor though and I can't remember watching him put in a decent performance on that stage. Of course, this is tempting fate massively so I'll just say yeah, he's an excellent player :)
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You are right about his record and i've been an admirer of his for some time so i know what he is capable of and he hasn't done himself justice in the CL on enough occasions.

Only last season was he impressive but then it was only the group stages and then that game against Liverpool... Which i still feel he would have impacted on more if not for the ref sending off a man in each leg (wrongfully).
 
Not really seen much of Ibrahimovic, but i love me my Berbatov.
 
Trippin_Stoned said:
I think its a case of when he does though, he uses it well. There's been a few instances where his speed as actually surprised me. He's by no means quick, but he's quicker than most give him credit for I think.

More so when he gets the ball to feet, spins and runs with it. I've no idea ow he does it but he looks as if he's jogging yet no fecker can get the ball off him.
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Alright then.I understand better now but I disagree
 
Ekeke said:
Who said he's too one footed?

I just said that Ibrahimovic has a much better left foot. Berbatov isnt the most severe case of a one footed player, but he favours it in situations his left foot would be suited for a lot of the time and you dont see him score with it from outside the box. Not that he scores that often from outside the box with his right either, but a lot more often.

Ibrahimovic can hit a rocket with either foot though.
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No-one I was talking about Messi there and not Berbatov.

Still bizarre that you'd bring up the point that he's more two footed than Berbatov though, it's pretty irrelevant. It's like bringing it up in an argument about Scholes and Carrick, evidently Carrick's much more two footed but it doesn't make any real difference. Both Berbatov and Scholes just adapt their game and find positions in which it suits their right foot better, whereas Carrick and Ibrahimovic don't have to.

Not that it matters.
 
This is a hard comparison. Both are very talented and skillful strikers. Ibrahimovich is probably more likely to do something absolutely special in a game but he lacks consistency in his performances. Berbatov has proven to be more effective for us due to high number of assists and decent amount of goals. I would have to stick with Berbatov because he produces match winning moments more often.
 
B9 from YAWN said:
He may have the look of a 30m player, but he certainly hasn't delivered what you want for that kind of money yet.
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He's only been here for half a season, can't see what more we could've expected when taking into accountance the lack of pre-season and the obvious need for him and the team to gel.

Now that he's got himself into gear, he certainly looks the part. And tbh, this is more to the point:
Brwned said:
He might not have delivered what you want but he's definitely delivered what the majority of United fans want.
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You got Keane, we got Berbatov. It's natural for you to be bitter about it.
 
Brwned said:
No-one I was talking about Messi there and not Berbatov.

Still bizarre that you'd bring up the point that he's more two footed than Berbatov though, it's pretty irrelevant. It's like bringing it up in an argument about Scholes and Carrick, evidently Carrick's much more two footed but it doesn't make any real difference. Both Berbatov and Scholes just adapt their game and find positions in which it suits their right foot better, whereas Carrick and Ibrahimovic don't have to.

Not that it matters.
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Erm. Well this thread is to compare the two players Dmitar Berbatov and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

How is it 'bizarre' in any way, shape or form to bring up an aspect of one of the players thats superior to the other? If anything its more bizarre talking about Messi in a thread about Berbatov and Ibrahimovic, but I think I'll let it slide! :D
 
B9 from YAWN said:
He may have the look of a 30m player, but he certainly hasn't delivered what you want for that kind of money yet.
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You might have looked less of a tool if you'd posted this a couple of months back before Berbatov started scoring the goals which have fired Utd to the top of the table.
 
Castolo said:
Both cut from the same cloth.

But if you're relying on one of them to pull a rabbit from the hat in the CL tie, who is it?
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I consider Ibrahimovic better than Berbatov, but if one of them where to pull a rabbit from the hat in the CL tie I'd expect it to be Berbatov tbh. The biggest stars always get's hyped up before this fixtures, and more often than not they end up disappointing.
 
Doevle said:
I consider Ibrahimovic better than Berbatov, but if one of them where to pull a rabbit from the hat in the CL tie I'd expect it to be Berbatov tbh. The biggest stars always get's hyped up before this fixtures, and more often than not they end up disappointing.
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He can teleport, too, you know.
 
Doevle said:
I consider Ibrahimovic better than Berbatov, but if one of them where to pull a rabbit from the hat in the CL tie I'd expect it to be Berbatov tbh. The biggest stars always get's hyped up before this fixtures, and more often than not they end up disappointing.
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Would it be too much to ask for a Paint drawing of Berba and Ibra fighting each other? :angel:
 
samabachan said:
When was the last time Ibrahimovic stepped up in the Champions League or for his country to win them the game?
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vs Greece at Euro 2008.

Awful game, Ibra pulled a wondergoal out of the bag. That kind of thing is still rarer than it should be, however.
 
Alex said:
Werent those his first games for the club?

And United were excellent at Emirates, Berbatov wasnt great and missed a sitter, and I never said Ibra was a big game bottler, just reckon United will win the tie, thus Berbatov is more likely to score a winner, and Ibra does seem to have a knack for the specatacular goal every now and again
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:smirk:
 
Ekeke said:
Erm. Well this thread is to compare the two players Dmitar Berbatov and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

How is it 'bizarre' in any way, shape or form to bring up an aspect of one of the players thats superior to the other? If anything its more bizarre talking about Messi in a thread about Berbatov and Ibrahimovic, but I think I'll let it slide! :D
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Because is being more one footed a valid criticism or weakness?

If not, and I think don't think it is - it's about as relevant as saying that Berbatov's a better first time passer - then it's a pointless comment.
 
Berbatov is better technically. Ibra probably runs around more, and is marginally faster - I hate when people say Berbatov is slow though.

I cant make a real judgement on Ibra though, Ive saw him play probably 5 times in the last two-three years. And in those games, hes either done something great or absolute feck all.
 
Brwned said:
Because is being more one footed a valid criticism or weakness?

If not, and I think don't think it is - it's about as relevant as saying that Berbatov's a better first time passer - then it's a pointless comment.
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Its a feature of Ibrahimovic's game to be able to do this with either foot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-22cSRjizg

Makes him more dangerous when shooting outside the box than Berbatov, as you can show Berbatov onto his weaker foot and he'll pass it rather than going for goal.

If we arent going to compare and contrast their games then whats the point of this thread? Are we picking who has the better name?
 
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