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Ibrahimovic and Berbatov
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He is actually better known for his fancy flicks, backheels, an overly inflated ego and throwing a strop when things aren't going his way.
Of course all of that shouldn't detract from the fact that he is a bloody good footballer.
A case of she-said she said here ^^
Many a good player has had a suspect temperament, i think Ibrahimovic has matured in recent years.
I honestly don't think there is a great deal between them, i just think in terms of careers so far and importance to their respective teams you can't really argue that Ibrahimovic has been more impressive in both instances.
I honestly don't think there is a great deal between them, i just think in terms of careers so far and importance to their respective teams you can't really argue that Ibrahimovic has been more impressive in both instances.
at international level
Zlatan: 20 goals in 56 appear
Berba: 41 goals in 69 appear
Stats don't reveal everything relevant but may show aspects we tend to neglect, for instance I thought that Park has always been poor at making assists and it turned out that in season 2005-06 he made 7 assists which was a pretty good return.
Zlatan: 20 goals in 56 appear
Berba: 41 goals in 69 appear
Stats don't reveal everything relevant but may show aspects we tend to neglect, for instance I thought that Park has always been poor at making assists and it turned out that in season 2005-06 he made 7 assists which was a pretty good return.
The main difference is that Bebatov has been impressive for lesser teams and it remains to be seen whether he can do it at the highest level.
we faced messi last season we have nothing to fear when it comes to ibra. And messi is twice the player he is. He is no doubt a quality player and like any over player it may jet be his day when he sides meet but he deserves the tag if big game bottler so far. Look at the differnce between him and messi in big games. He's even worse that henry, he starts sulking and becomes a bad excuse for the player he otherwise is, while messi is glued to the ball taking complete responsibilty for winning the game. Obviously it helps being alot more talented. But on the big state ibra has failed so far, hopefully it continues
If he were one legged he wouldnt be able to stand on his left leg as previously stated. He is however one footed in a football sense.
I have no doubt he can and he's shown enough to suggest that he'll be a big big player for United. I think he's the only thing United lacked but i would honestly swap him for Ibrahimovic and if you put it into perspective that you could have gotten Ibrahimovic in 2006 for 25million euros.
he must be a magician then as he must have scored 8-10 goals for Spurs with a non-existent leg
Ibrahimovic is obviously a talented footballer and capable of extrodianry things with the ball. However, whenever I watch him play I'm also a little disappointed with him. Not sure why, but I get the feeling he plays when he can be arsed if you know what I mean?
I watched Berbatov closely since his arrival here (obviously) and I think he's absolutely outstanding. I thought he was brilliant at Spurs but my god since I've watched closer he is a bloody good footballer.
I'm not sure who's better if I'm honest as I don't watch Ibrahimovic as much as I watch Berbatov as I hate Italian football, but I know I wouldn't swap Berba for Ibrahimovic on what I have seen from both of them.
Looking forward to both of them locking horns in the forthcoming fixtures though, that's for sure!
I watched Berbatov closely since his arrival here (obviously) and I think he's absolutely outstanding. I thought he was brilliant at Spurs but my god since I've watched closer he is a bloody good footballer.
I'm not sure who's better if I'm honest as I don't watch Ibrahimovic as much as I watch Berbatov as I hate Italian football, but I know I wouldn't swap Berba for Ibrahimovic on what I have seen from both of them.
Looking forward to both of them locking horns in the forthcoming fixtures though, that's for sure!
Both are 2 great players to watch and they have a lot of similarities,Ibra just edges it for me considering how he's improved these 2-3 years.
Saying Ibra is a pussy when it comes to big games is as ridiculious to say Ronaldo choked in big games too. It's not always about goals or assists in these matches but it's the only thing most football fans focus on for strikers
Saying Ibra is a pussy when it comes to big games is as ridiculious to say Ronaldo choked in big games too. It's not always about goals or assists in these matches but it's the only thing most football fans focus on for strikers
he must be a magician then as he must have scored 8-10 goals for Spurs with a non-existent leg
Then you must write a list detailing them, since you must know.
He's certainly put a few in with his swinger in his career. But he has little confidence in his left foot, almost always electing to use the outside of his very cultured right foot instead. Of course there are some situations where its better to use your left foot and he rarely will. Compare that to some of Ibrahimovic's left footed goals, I can think of at least one 25-30 yarder with his left foot and you'll see how one footed Berbatov is for a skillful player.
On a side note, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DIMITAR!!!
I have noticed that he has scored several goals with his left foot for Spurs because I thought the same: that he uses only his right foot.
He is too cautious to use his left foot now because he is afraid of mistakes which could harm his confidence. I'm sure that till the end of the season he will score some goals with his left foot, probably not crackers though.
Can't Ibra is over rated if anything
TBH Ibrahimovic has been dominant in the last couple of Milano derbys, and I have to say that's a pretty huge game
My arse is as United as they come, and it clenches whenever the opposition has the ball.
Doesn't matter if it's Ibrahimovic.
EVeryone is over-rated.
I've seen enough of Ibrahimovic to put him in the top bracket. A world class footballer, talent wise he's for my money only behind Messi.
yet peformance wise he hasn't matched the likes of messi, ronaldo, kaka, rio, vidic etc there's a reason why ronaldo and kaka have won the major football awards in recent times with messi waiting in the wings for his turn. They're consistent and they stand up when the world is watching (some more than others)
Talent wise though he is with several others, he just needs his shot, hopefully he blows this one
Berbatov for me, so many people don't understand how good he is, he will be running the show on the pitch for us game in game out.
I think Ibra is probably the better player but his inconsistancy is a major weakness. I watched him play live about 18months ago and Ive never been more disappointed seeing a supposed "world class" player. That said he seems to have improved his consistancy in the last 12 months. If Id to pick one Id go with Berba and Id say the same if he still played for Spurs.
Kaka had 2 seasons where he was exellent in europe. Yet Ibrahimovic was voted Player of the Year in Italy ahead of Kaka.
He has won the league for every team he has played for, performance wise he was exellent last season and has continued to be very good this season even with inter in transition.
All it takes to win major awards is european success.
and he hasn't had his shot yet? The great players usually don't need so many chances. Vidic has been magnificent in most big games for us, to top it off he was motm in the cl final. RonAldo and messi have taken their chances, that's why they're considered the very best. If ronaldo didn't show up in the cl last season the way zlatan does we wouldn't have made it past the quarters and he wouldn't have been hailed as the best.
So because inter got put out Ibrahimovic didn't show up?
It takes more than one player to win a game of football. The italian teams have really struggled against English oposition. Capellos Juve got done by Liverpool and so have Inter Milan.
I feel that Inter would have won that tie if not for the horrendous performance of the referee. Now i don't care how good or bad you think he is or Inter Milan are or any other team but when you get to the knockout stages of the champions league it is never easy. Take away one man for the majority of two legs and it becomes almost impossible yet you can judge a team or a player that way if you wish.
Ibra is the better player.
Out of curiosity, you made a big deal about Ronaldo not scoring enough goals in big Champion's League games (despit finishing top-scorer in the competition last season and scoring in the final)
Any thoughts on Ibrahimovic's goal-scoring record in the CL? I make it 16 goals in 59 starts.
Not the Mae West is it?
And am I right in thinking he's never scored in a knock-out round?
I questioned Ronaldo because people were talking about him as if he was the one key to United winning the champions league which i disagreed with because i thought the defense was the reason United won it.
Ibrahimovics record doesn't read brilliantly in the CL, neither does Ronaldos.
Ronaldo's record is 12 from 44, beginning when he was just 18 years old (and playing exclusively as a winger) then increasing dramatically, once he matured as a footballer and began to play games, here and there, in more central positions. And he's only just turned 23.
Ibrahimovic's record includes arguably the peak years of any footballer's career (23 -27) whilst playing as an out and out striker in all 59 games.
One is hailed as the best player in the Serie A bar none, the other as having so far failed to meet his price tag.
The only thing speaking against Ibrahimovic is that he hasn't really done it on the big stage yet. No doubt he is a better player than Berbatov though and one whom I, despite not having excelled in the big games (neither has berbatov), I would much rather rely for that bit of magic to decide a game than Berbatov.
The only thing speaking against Ibrahimovic is that he hasn't really done it on the big stage yet. No doubt he is a better player than Berbatov though and one whom I, despite not having excelled in the big games (neither has berbatov), I would much rather rely for that bit of magic to decide a game than Berbatov.
Moving back on topic, Berbatov has scored 13 goals in 20 CL starts.
Now that is the record of a top-class European striker
Now that is the record of a top-class European striker
Only by idiots, to be fair.
Pogue, could you find out Berbatov's record in the CL? I reckon he has less than 27-28 starts and 11 goals, with probably 20-25 starts and 7 goals when he was 20-23.
You have answered my question
I've not really ever thought of Ibrahimovic as an out and out striker.
Ronaldo has had one season where he scored 8 in 11, before that it was 3 in 11 and before that 1 in 8. He hasn't scored in any other european seasons.
Ibrahimovic was playing in europe for Ajax, Juve and Inter. But all you have to do is look at his stats for goals to realize he isn't an out and out goal scorer, never has been and only in recent years has he started being a consistent goal threat.
He may have the look of a 30m player, but he certainly hasn't delivered what you want for that kind of money yet.
From what i have seen of both players, i prefer Ibrahimovic.
The "idiots" comment referred to people who would even attempt to make such a judgement this early in his United career. Personally, I would say he's settling in rather nicely but I'll reserve judgement until the end of this season.
Indeed. he hasn't scored enough goals to be considered an out and out goal scorer.
Call me a traditionalist but I prefer strikers to be goal-scorers. Even Wayne Rooney, who is anything but a goal-poacher, has 15 goals in 38 starts.