Both cut from the same cloth.
But if you're relying on one of them to pull a rabbit from the hat in the CL tie, who is it?
But if you're relying on one of them to pull a rabbit from the hat in the CL tie, who is it?
Ibrahimovic and Berbatov
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Gosh, what do you think he'll say?
When I say cut from the same cloth, I mean they both have that languid genius vibe about each other, not that they are as good as one another. If that's what FV will take issue with.
Ibrahimovic is better.
When I say cut from the same cloth, I mean they both have that languid genius vibe about each other, not that they are as good as one another. If that's what FV will take issue with.
Ibrahimovic is better.
Ibra plays in Serie A ZOMG!! He must be better
Ibra is more likely to score a wonder goal, Berba is more likely to score the winning goal
Don't know if thats a windup, a honest expression of personal thoughts or an attempt to bait FV and most likely The Chief and Gus, but based on what I have seen since 2001 that is very very debatable.
I seem to remember Ibrahimovic scoring quite an important winning goal against Parma to win the League for Inter last season.
People like throwing this "Big Game Bottler" tag at him, which is true to some extent, but he has delivered when it mattered on numerous occasions. People have said the same about Ronaldo in an attempt to spite his genius.
We've been able to get a close look at Berbatov this season, and whilst he has improved markedly, he was anonymous in the games at Anfield, Stamford Bridge and the Emirates. Doesn't mean he's a Big Game Bottler though, nor is Ibrahimovic.
There's not much in it I'll admit, but Ibrahimovic shades it.
Not a wind-up either.
Werent those his first games for the club?
And United were excellent at Emirates, Berbatov wasnt great and missed a sitter, and I never said Ibra was a big game bottler, just reckon United will win the tie, thus Berbatov is more likely to score a winner, and Ibra does seem to have a knack for the specatacular goal every now and again
Ibrahimovic without doubt.
That said, neither of them have really done the business in the champions league against the top teams in the important matches have they? Berbatov's excuse would be that Leverkusen arent the side Inter and Juventus are and then he didnt play CL football.
That said, neither of them have really done the business in the champions league against the top teams in the important matches have they? Berbatov's excuse would be that Leverkusen arent the side Inter and Juventus are and then he didnt play CL football.
They both are quality. Anyway Ibra has a little bit more on his game than Berba imo.
I reckon he does have slightly more, mainly speed and top level of effort, but he is clearly the moodier of the two as well
I honestly hope that you are right.
But when the ball is at Ibra's feet in the CL tie, United arses will clench.
And I appreciate your point about them being some of Berba's first matches, but for a player with such talent, to pretty much do nothing of real impact across the three games after the 3rd minute at Anfield was a disappointing return for our new star striker, who had just been firmly planted as a first team regular by SAF. Most of us were expecting more, but now thankfully it seems that he's found his feet.
That's the thing we all know Inter apart from Ibra are pretty normal, good players but hardly match winners, we on the other hand have Cristiano, Rooney and Berbatov that have that class to make a goal out of nothing.
They did when it was with Benzema and Messi last year. So did the defense too.
And actually I had forgot that he had that lovely setup for Tevez to set up the opening goal, 1-0 was good enough the last two years it should have been good enough for at least a 1-0 draw; I blame the dropped points on the midfield(which was good until Alonso broke Carricks foot) and the defense for it, so who knows what would have happened if Carrick wouldnt have gotten hurt there, but against Liverpool at Anfield three strikers probably isnt the best way to play. Also, there was virtually no width in either game. Berbatov is really seeming to find his feet now, hopefully Rooney and Tevez are in form for the tie to, but we all know if he is in top form #7 will be the difference.
I will never forget the sheer terror amongst our defenders whenever Messi had the ball at OT. We literally refused to take the risk of tackling him, Brown & co. simply parked themselves between him and the goal. I've never seen us defend that deep. But, of course, we survived.
I think Mourinho will really get the best out of Ibrahimovic, and lift the psychological barrier that has often hampered him on the big stage. And what bigger stage to prove your belief that you are infact the best player in the world and God's gift to football, than a knockout match against the World Champions with the Ballon D'or winner in their team?
Hardly, our defenders will have him in their pockets.
Berbatov wins because he can teleport, I've yet to see Ibrahomovich do that.
He has featured in the Champions League before with Leverkusen and scored against some good opposition.
Both are exceptional talents and have quelled the notion that they don't perform against tougher opposition.
It wasn't terror rather a tactic that proved to be very effective in the end as first and foremost we achieved our objective of keeping a clean sheet, second we restricted Barcelona for all their possession to harmless chances, and finally we escaped from the two legged ties without any suspensions.
It is extremely difficult to defend against guys like Messi because they can easily beat you from a standing position not to mention make you look like a complete tool in the process. What we did was simply to let him and Barcelona knock the ball around for fun in their own half and once they crossed the halfway line, put enough pressure on them to force them infield where we had three midfielders (including one of the very best engines in the game,one Owen Hargreaves) to either knock them off the ball or simply crowd them out.
Ibra will be a threat as all players on a football pitch are BUT we have more than able men to handle him.
"and then" as in after. Thats why I mentioned the first part about Leverkusen not comparing to the two Italian giants Ibra has played for. Else that was needless.
If Vidic is within 15 yards of him when he does I think Ibra might blow his sphincter out
thats the best way to defend against him, his close control is so good that as soon as a defender commits the ball is past him and its either a foul or he's away.
Our defenders did it perfectly - stop the ball getting to him ot wait for him to commit.
Thats bollocks, Berbatov did very well in the CL for Leverkusen and scored one of the best goals ever. Plus when he came on in the final, he was the best Leverkusen player and did very well although being very young (around 20)
Edit: do you even know that he went into the CL final against Real?
Berbatov.
European football suits him better, and he's more likely to have better support while Ibrahumovic is likely to be up front on his own.
Ibrahimovic is the better player though.
European football suits him better, and he's more likely to have better support while Ibrahumovic is likely to be up front on his own.
Ibrahimovic is the better player though.
Should that matter?
He only played a few games in the Champions League that season and didn't play in the final.
Yes. And he didn't score. Did he score in the semi that year?
He scored against us one of the years we played against Leverkusen. But that was in the group stages wasnt it?
Yeah, he's really done that this season eh?
Awful against Milan, didn't play well against Fiorentina or Juventus either.
Not to say he wont play well against us though, let's hope he plays shit though
He started several games, incusively vs Liverpool away in the 1/4 final (and he scored one of the goals in the second leg), vs US in the 1/2 final at OT and he played in the final: he came in as SB and played 55 mins.
He scored in the CL vs Real (2 goals), us, Barcelona, Liverpool, Lyon and Roma, with decisive goals against Liverpool, Real away (1:1) and Roma away (1:1).
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I'll give my opinion,
Both are cut from the same cloth as the origional poster suggested, not sure which has a better champions league record at this stage but i'm not sure how far Berbatov has been in the competition. Ibrahimovic seems to come undone against English sides, or the respective teams he has played for have come undone and it's given people in the UK a bad impression of him.
On all round ability Ibrahimovic is the more impressive player. Ibrahimovic is for me simelar to Berbatov only bigger, faster and stronger and under Mourinho he's even been putting a shift in.
I like both of them a lot though, classy classy players. I just think Ibrahimovic has that little bit of unpredictability and also the aggression, he can really wind opposition players up. Berbatov is very cool, never seems to get flustered or upset so i guess you might prefere ones mentality to the other.
Ibra also has a left foot that he doesnt just stand on.
Is Zlatan faster than Berba?
Zlatan is better at beating defenders but Berbatov is a better goalscorer IMO and more of a team player. If you take out the penalties, Berbatov's stats are better at all possible levels: club, international, Europe.
Last season Zlatan scored 17 league goals, 8 from them from penalties. Berbatov scored 15 league goals, only 1 was from a penalty kick.
Zlatan is better at beating defenders but Berbatov is a better goalscorer IMO and more of a team player. If you take out the penalties, Berbatov's stats are better at all possible levels: club, international, Europe.
Last season Zlatan scored 17 league goals, 8 from them from penalties. Berbatov scored 15 league goals, only 1 was from a penalty kick.
I'd say he is faster than Berba, even tough Berbatov is quicker than most people think, when he does sprint i don't think he is slow at all.
I'd probably rather have Berbatov in a one on one, he has more of a clinical feel to him and can put it away. Ibrahimovic doesn't tend to score "easy" chances. Ibrahimovic would also probably have as many assists as he does goals and he is intigral to the good football being played in any side he's played for.
Yes it does, as the original statement said that he never played in the CL
If thats an insinuation that Berbatov is one legged, then it is utter nonsense.
that's not true
this season he has made 4 assists in the league and 2 in the other compets, last season he had 9 assists in the league
Berbatov makes more assists, he doesn't look for a spectacular goal if a team-mate is in a better position to score
No doubt Berbatov is unselfish but if you don't think Ibrahimovic is also unselfish and a team player then you haven't seen him play. He is a player who gets as much satisfaction from playing a good pass as he does from scoring a good goal. He is more known or has been more known for his creative abilities than his goal scoring.
I think they are both special players and i've seen plenty of them both but this is Berbatovs first season with a great club, Ibrahimovic has been the main man for Juve and now Inter Milan. You don't get that sort of status without being a special player.
Berbatov is of course better. I still dont think anyone realises how good he is.
You'll see.... mark my words.
You'll see.... mark my words.
The same could very easily be said for Ibrahimovic Scholesgoals and i honestly feel i know exactly how good Berbatov is.