It'll happen one day. Otherwise we'll have the same old fecking games with better graphics, ad infinitum.
I just bought a playstation 3
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It'll happen one day. Otherwise we'll have the same old fecking games with better graphics, ad infinitum.
Technically there is an enormous amount of difference on many different levels, as we shall all come to see.
You have to put goggles and suits on though, it isn't exactly comfortable.
By then the XBOX 720 will be about.
You can actually get (TV/Monintor/Screen) goggles for your console. Apparently they make your head hurt, though. Technology isn't quite their yet.
Right! feck everyone over all of the time by dropping what you had before and starting afresh?
Microsoft will pull out of this business long before a 720 is released.
Not when it comes to games.
So how long before they knock £100 off the price?
And why's it already over £100 cheaper in the USA?
And why's it already over £100 cheaper in the USA?
Spoony, do you have a game console?
Will they feck. The video game business is booming more than ever, this move to all things to all men by both Sony and MS won't last.
Have you been on the Spiderman ride at Islands of Adventure, Orlando?
Absolute class.
Not exactly virtual reality, but the experience is immense.
They'll keep going. They don't really need to make money out of this sector. Sony do have to, though. But anyway, point being the technology improves at such a rapid rate, that the PS3 and 360 will look well and truly dated in a couple of years time. Time from the kids to buy something new and improved. It's always been the case.
PS3s?
The are $100 dollars cheaper in the US for the 60Gb version until it runs out. That's 50 quid, and the decision of Sony Computer Entertainment America. Sony Computer Entertainment Europe have decided to do a bundle instead.
I don't see why you expect a massive price drop, the thing is full of dogs bollocks technology. You couldn't buy a Blu-Ray player for the same price. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it, tough titties.
360.
I can't be arsed with games, though. Funnily enough, I've got it flashed and can download games for free. . . but I just don't have the urge to do so.
Fair enough, although I'd rather have the money off rather than 3 games I don't want, even if it only is £50
Sony do not need to make money in this sector, it's one of the largest conglomerates on the planet.
Microsoft shareholders, even Bill Gates, will not put up with the ploughin of billions and billions into the XBox with no return for much longer.
As I have said, this is a fight for control over the living room and eventually the house. Microsoft should feck off and so what it does best - make software (for Windows or not), not decide it's going to get into consumer electronics. Was a stupid thing to do in the first place.
Save your cash and buy yourself a motorised dildo.
Wait until January, and you should see at least 100 quid come off it.
I remember when my mum bought me my first Amiga 500. It was 399 quid back then. I was the only kid with one.
It's an option.
Yes, they do. Playstation is their cash cow. . . and the sector in which the majority of their renenue is generated from. Sony needs the gaming sector. Billy Gates doesn't. Search around on the net, I'm sure you can find the figures for Sony
The fight wasn't about getting control over the home for Sony from the start, it was about getting the lion share of an industry sweeping the planet. MS jumped in for the same reason, they then changed the rules.
This latest fight between the two is based on running everything in the home, you are correct. However Sony easily has as much to loose now as MS. My point still stands, right now the PS3 won't be a clear winner, no matter what technical jargon they want to through at the unsuspecting masses.
Nintendo have things right, which the publisher swing back to them proves. As Sony and MS battle it out on new fronts, Nintendo will quietly keep pace in the very industry both the other two have been steadily moving away from.
Credit to Nintendo. . . they've always been innovative. Then again, they're a proper games company, so one shouldn't expect anything less.
But only now are they beginning to finally wake up to third party developers and get off their fecking high horses about standards. About time too.
Nintendo are not in the fight for control of the living room, the Wii is simply a toy.
The PS3 and XBox360 are certainly not toys, but Microsoft didn't:
A) Give it wireless networking as standard
B) Didn't give it a HD disc format
In time these things will tell.
Microsoft is shitting themselves over the fact that if Sony get control of the Home, then it could effect the long term future of windows. Yes, the PS3 can run Linux, it can be used as a full blown computer. If it had anywhere near the same success as the PS2, then it starts to become a threat to Microsoft. Obviously, the PS3 will not be, but its successor may well become so. A central computer for the entire house that does everything - PC, Games, Video, Music, the lot. This threat is the ONLY reason Microsoft got into the hardware business.
The PS3 and XBox360 are certainly not toys, but Microsoft didn't:
A) Give it wireless networking as standard
B) Didn't give it a HD disc format
In time these things will tell.
Microsoft is shitting themselves over the fact that if Sony get control of the Home, then it could effect the long term future of windows. Yes, the PS3 can run Linux, it can be used as a full blown computer. If it had anywhere near the same success as the PS2, then it starts to become a threat to Microsoft. Obviously, the PS3 will not be, but its successor may well become so. A central computer for the entire house that does everything - PC, Games, Video, Music, the lot. This threat is the ONLY reason Microsoft got into the hardware business.
I might actually get one. I love the idea of playing Res Evil with the Wii contral pad. See, that's what I mean by originality. Have they brought out a boxing game? I'd love to be able to feel like I'm actually punching someone. I would love the pad to have a way of measuring speed ie the stronger you are the more power you'd have in your punches(if it's a boxing game or fighting game). Nerds wouldn't stand a chance.
Microsoft is a threat to Sony, because of the way technology is going it is stepping into the traditional Sony marketplace - home consumer electronics.
Sony is a threat to Microsoft because as technology develops, they are stepping on the toes of Microsoft, the PC IMO will not exist in 10 years.
Sony is a threat to Microsoft because as technology develops, they are stepping on the toes of Microsoft, the PC IMO will not exist in 10 years.
You are forgetting the very basics of why Sony are in this business. The Wii isn't simply a toy, just like the PS2 or all before it. In any case, the reason Sony are in this sector is because of Nintendo and if it wasn't for the fact they have such a huge consumer electronics division to fall back on, they wouldn't be finding it very easy right now.
How easy is that to say?
That may be, but they are hardly shitting themselves. After all, Sony never got into the business to take over the house as such, it was MS that began making those moves. Sony are just being smart and expanding into yet another potential territory.
If you think that the PS3 or anything thereafter is going to take any kind of control, you are very much mistaken. In fact, I'd wager that the continual push to the total control goal will water down the profits, they already are...but then again, as you like to fall back on, time will tell.
Definately.
Again, an easy statement to make considering the PC is such a multimedia element now that continued progression will change it further. However, we are further than 10 years off of a complete solution.
Wait a minute Redlambs, the house was always Sony's domain, they are a consumer electronics company, it's what they do. Thus when you look at their general purpose software they cannot pull it off like Microsoft can, it's not their business. Sony does not write software, even for the previous playsations, they bought software houses to give them 1st party titles. Software is not Sony's strong point.
Sony got into this long before the control of the home was even a thought in anyone's mind. They designed and produced quite a lot of the SNES/Famicom for Nintendo and were in a joint agreement with Nintendo to produce the very first Play Station (yes a space between the words), but Nintendo pulled the plug. Sony simply then decided to have a go themselves.
Microsoft, if they get their way, will have the next generation XBox running Windows, it's a clear strategy, and the reason they are willing to pump billions of dollar into the thing.
With the new technology, both Sony and Microsoft have realised that this is not longer just about games.
Tell me, why would Microsoft be willing to loose over 7 billion dollars (that's the last estimate I have seen) on becoming a hardware producer? It makes no sense, they could simply have produced games for other platforms. The reason is the one I gave. Sony are simply reacting to it, Microsoft are moving into their territory - home consumer electronics.
Sony got into this long before the control of the home was even a thought in anyone's mind. They designed and produced quite a lot of the SNES/Famicom for Nintendo and were in a joint agreement with Nintendo to produce the very first Play Station (yes a space between the words), but Nintendo pulled the plug. Sony simply then decided to have a go themselves.
Microsoft, if they get their way, will have the next generation XBox running Windows, it's a clear strategy, and the reason they are willing to pump billions of dollar into the thing.
With the new technology, both Sony and Microsoft have realised that this is not longer just about games.
Tell me, why would Microsoft be willing to loose over 7 billion dollars (that's the last estimate I have seen) on becoming a hardware producer? It makes no sense, they could simply have produced games for other platforms. The reason is the one I gave. Sony are simply reacting to it, Microsoft are moving into their territory - home consumer electronics.
I mean the PC as a big box in one room, that will not exist. If it hasn't already taken place, in one year, laptops will overtake desktops in terms of units sold. The future points to a single box in the home (business is different) that will allow you do use PC, Video, Music, Games, whatever wherever you are in the house.
I'd hold off just a little longer tbh. The games are still too pricey second-hand and we are yet to really hit the wave of games that shows what the Wii is really made for. Too many half-arsed ports and very few AAA titles (Zelda, RE4 and the obvious others aside).
It's fecking brilliant right now for playing with friends though, even the basic Wii boxing gives you that sense of beating the shit out of your mates!
I get mine tomorrow BTW, it's being delivered at around 11am.
We are arguing the same point, but from different angles. I'm very aware of the history of Sony in the games market, I've worked directly on the PS1 from close to the start, and had last-minute brushes with the Snes architecture.
The difference is, I'm coming from the gaming point of view, because I have little time for a one-size fits all solution, since that is still miles off. So when someone asks what system they should get, I like to be more balanced with my answers because right here and right now, the primary purpose of these systems are still games, and in gaming terms the PS3 is nowhere worth the cost over the 360 or Wii, simply because of a blu-ray drive and the myth that the Cell means anything other than just another fancy processor name (I'm still speaking in terms of games, remember).
The ps3 is a fancy piece of kit, there is no doubting that, but as a gamer it is my last choice. For now, anyway.
Now, yes, you are probably right. Stick a DVD drive in there however, and you have a bit of kit that costs less than a XB360!
Why is the Blu-ray drive there though? It already seems that some developers are having problems cramming stuff onto one DVD. Microsoft quite clearly rushed the XB360, either value engineered it or under engineered it, or both, and as we are now seeing - DVD9 is not good enough for this generation of games, and the bloody things karks it. As I said before, Sony should stay away from software, and MicroSOFT should not try to be a producer of consumer electronics. They are in serious doo doo over this XBox problem, they admitted that 100% of them could fail. FFS!
The XB360 was rushed out to get a market lead, it was obviously never finished. Now they have to pay the price for this.
I don't want to get into technical arguments, but the Cell wipes the floor with Xenon, and its power will be shown in one of the avenues it was designed for - games.
Another reason probably why the PS3 as a Blu-ray player can compete in price with the standalone kit is that the Cell does all of the decoding of the data. It's basically free, it requires no specialist electronics to do it.
I don't think that the Hard Disk will be something that exists in 10 years BTW!
Well the future is flash memory but when? Anw, Sony as good the PS3 is rushed the GPU. They could have added a GPU AT LEAST on par with the Xenos and just blow the 360 away. But they didn't. Also the price is just TOO high. Console gaming is mainstream gaming, and not high tech. The cost of a PS3 plus the games (which this generation are ridicoulously high for both consoles) just doesn't make it mainstream.
The thing about the PC is not clear. Why not make the PC itself the center of home entertainment? This thing about the PS4(? - I'm not saying that you're implying exactly this) is just too standardized.
Last, did you flash it yourself Spoony or you took it to someone. Can you please help me if you want? Thanks in advance!
You could spend double the price of a PS3 on a PC Graphics card with top end GPUs. The PS3 doesn't need it. And as I've said before, nobody actually knows the exact specs of the RSX. I don't want to get into an argument about unified and non-unified shaders here.
The cell wipes the floor with the Xenon, however the rest of the graphics pipeline is bottlenecked and the system is overall difficult to work with (but not as much of a pig as the PS2), so like it's predecessor, it suffers.
Again the cell is an advancement, just like the vaunted Emotion Engine was, but like the EE, the Cell won't see it's full potential being used. The PS3 will not pull away from the 360 in terms of graphics, you may see a few over-budgeted titles looking impressive, but mainly the systems will be on a par.
Again the cell is an advancement, just like the vaunted Emotion Engine was, but like the EE, the Cell won't see it's full potential being used. The PS3 will not pull away from the 360 in terms of graphics, you may see a few over-budgeted titles looking impressive, but mainly the systems will be on a par.