I don't think Rooney's touch is bad.

His passing has always been overrated .. The amount of times he tries that long cross field ball and overhits it is akin to Anderson's worse attempts ..Rooney's best attribute has always been workrate and how to make the best out of his talents ...

I'm surprised he is as good as he is tbh I never expected him to be anywhere near premier ship standard once he hit his 30s but he is never going to get any better than what we have seen the past of years . The amount of times I read a new manager will bring him back to the Rooney of old I shake my head .

Hopefully Jose won't do a Moyes and Van Gaal and say they will centre the team around him those days are gone
 
Wade3 said:
A lot of people simply lack emotional control when it comes to Rooney. His far too high wage and him holding us at ransom prevents people from objectively judging him as a player. One could be led to believe he's as poor as Falcao was for us based on the posts in here.
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"holding us at ransom"???

What does this mean???

Rooney simply had a split with Fergie, as did so many other players in the past, from Kanchelskis, to Stam, to Beckham, to Keane, to Van Nistelrooy... impossible to count them all!

The only difference is that Fergie retired before being able to retaliate, and Fergie's friend Moyes gave Rooney a reasonable contract. Fergie always demanded more money for himself than for any of his players, and that was one of the reasons he had so many problems with star players over the years. Of course, Fergie's ego was enormous and that created problems as well...

Anyway, some fans took Fergie's side and now they are stuck, ha, ha!... Fergie is gone but Rooney is the captain! For some fans that's an insult. It has nothing to do with football, it is psychology.

(By the way, we could also say that Ronaldo "hold us at ransom", and he actually left, but people are not angry with him, some still consider him a United legend... go figure!)
 
lsd said:
His passing has always been overrated .. The amount of times he tries that long cross field ball and overhits it is akin to Anderson's worse attempts ..Rooney's best attribute has always been workrate and how to make the best out of his talents ...

I'm surprised he is as good as he is tbh I never expected him to be anywhere near premier ship standard once he hit his 30s but he is never going to get any better than what we have seen the past of years . The amount of times I read a new manager will bring him back to the Rooney of old I shake my head .

Hopefully Jose won't do a Moyes and Van Gaal and say they will centre the team around him those days are gone
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Rooney at 1:43....thats our number 10!:drool:
 
nick2004 said:
"holding us at ransom"???

What does this mean???

Rooney simply had a split with Fergie, as did so many other players in the past, from Kanchelskis, to Stam, to Beckham, to Keane, to Van Nistelrooy... impossible to count them all!

The only difference is that Fergie retired before being able to retaliate, and Fergie's friend Moyes gave Rooney a reasonable contract. Fergie always demanded more money for himself than for any of his players, and that was one of the reasons he had so many problems with star players over the years. Of course, Fergie's ego was enormous and that created problems as well...

Anyway, some fans took Fergie's side and now they are stuck, ha, ha!... Fergie is gone but Rooney is the captain! For some fans that's an insult. It has nothing to do with football, it is psychology.

(By the way, we could also say that Ronaldo "hold us at ransom", and he actually left, but people are not angry with him, some still consider him a United legend... go figure!)
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This worked out brilliantly for us throughout Fergie's days. No player should be bigger than the manager or the club, because common sense tells you that players are there for only what, 6-7 good years, 10+ if we're lucky.

Ferguson earns more than the players? Well I'll take that, because he is the reason Manchester United rarely finished below 2nd or 3rd in the league. Man wins multiple league titles and you want to bring his wages as a so called problem?

Look at how "great" we've done as a club since Rooney's been captain. Oh we're shit but at least Wazza's captain lols

I'm beginning to think there is a great philosophical divide in this whole Rooney argument. There are some who think players should be revered for what they've done for the club in the past and there are some who would have no qualms getting rid of them so the club can have the chance to move forward. Then there are the sad ones who support players instead of football teams.
 
Is there not already 50 plus threads on Rooney? Can we not conclude this debate .. it's plainly obvious those who watch football know he's past it, and has been for a while. Those who don't watch football are loyal United fans and can't rid themselves of the Rooney ideology. He won't get better he's 30, he won't get thinner, he tried. He won't loose more hair, he's paying thousands and he won't cheat just yet, he's a family man now. Jose will use Rooney but to what extent no one knows. Hopefully he has the balls to say, Rooney your part of the bench.
 
Think he just saw Rooney's face. That's about it....

Obviously turns him on
 
MrBest said:
Is there not already 50 plus threads on Rooney?....
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Ah...so it's not a whole lot different here then in the 'newbie' area I see, at least regarding Rooney. I actually like him, but he sure is a lightning rod for debate. I don't think we win the FA Cup a couple weeks back without him. It seems many begrudge him for his salary, and that creates a lot of the animosity. But he's just doing what any player and anyone of us would do. Get everything you can while you still can, that's not his fault.
 
His touch should be spot on every time because he is paid 300K pw.
If he was on 50K, then it was ok if he had a bad first touch.

This is what I could deduce from popular opinion on caf.
 
Somebody in RAWK said this about Kuyt's first touch: "His second touch is always a tackle". It fits our Captain very well too.
 
He's tuned into our fecking Gerrard :(

He's probably a legend etc but I can't wait for him to leave.
 
His first touch is rubbish, I think, because he tries to do too much with it.

When he was young he was lauded for his ability to beat players with his first touch. Often using the outside of his foot and using backspin etc to stop the ball moving too far.

Compare that to Tony Valencia's touch. Even under pressure or when the ball is rifled at him, he controls the ball properly, as he's been taught to do. Brings it down safely, nothing flashy. At least he knows his limits.
 
nick2004 said:
What exactly do you think you saw at 1:43 or later???
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Seriously? Look at his "pass" towards Barkley....number 10 at a "top" club and he reacts like a fecking amateur under little pressure on training.
 
Jaxdan said:
Ah...so it's not a whole lot different here then in the 'newbie' area I see, at least regarding Rooney. I actually like him, but he sure is a lightning rod for debate. I don't think we win the FA Cup a couple weeks back without him. It seems many begrudge him for his salary, and that creates a lot of the animosity. But he's just doing what any player and anyone of us would do. Get everything you can while you still can, that's not his fault.
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I'm personally not bothered by his salary. How much United spend on him is up to them. My issue surrounds his ability at current point. I think he misplaces the ball far too often to be considered a first team starter. His range of passing is nothing compared with Scholes he does the same pass every time, switch to the right. About 60% reach the man. Yeah he was ok in the final, but let's face it we played palace. I have not seen him perform well against a good opposition this season. Only weaker teams did he shine. That's why I believe he should not start games nor should the focus be around him. The team should be built around Martial in my opinion. He's our man to do something with nothing.
 
Jaxdan said:
Ah...so it's not a whole lot different here then in the 'newbie' area I see, at least regarding Rooney. I actually like him, but he sure is a lightning rod for debate. I don't think we win the FA Cup a couple weeks back without him. It seems many begrudge him for his salary, and that creates a lot of the animosity. But he's just doing what any player and anyone of us would do. Get everything you can while you still can, that's not his fault.
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Tad simplistic that, no?

Strictly speaking then every single goalscorer is the "main" reason a match was won. Any forward should be winning games with flashes of good play/brilliance at a regular rate, especially a forward at Manchester United, one of the worlds "mega" clubs.

To grasp at a single moment of good play, lets not say brilliance for goodness sake, and say he is still relevant as a result of that is frankly baffling.
 
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The amount of good games he had this season could be counted with fingers in your one hand. Both Moyes and LvG built their teams around him, and failed. LvG, even more so and wouldn't even drop him because once said his captain shall always play.

Many a thing has been said about how he is great in midfield, but he has been wank. That diagonal pass to the right is Scholes-like, but that's the only thing he has done well in midfield. Either way, I hope Mourinho will drop him when it hinders the team's performance. I for one hope he doesn't look like a world class player and convinces Mourinho otherwise.

Its as if when Sir Alex started Scholes and Giggs in the midfield and everyone in here just knew we were not going to get a result in those games. It still continued.
 
This thread is right up there with the one about the soft drinks bar.
 
I don't think John O'Shea's passing is bad.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
His touch should be spot on every time because he is paid 300K pw.
If he was on 50K, then it was ok if he had a bad first touch.

This is what I could deduce from popular opinion on caf.
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:lol: this.
 
Sparky10Legend said:
Tad simplistic that, no?

Strictly speaking then every single goalscorer is the "main" reason a match was won. Any forward should be winning games with flashes of good play/brilliance at a regular rate, especially a forward at Manchester United, one of the worlds "mega" clubs.

To grasp at a single moment of good play, lets not say brilliance for goodness sake, and say he is still relevant as a result of that is frankly baffling.
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Perhaps. But It looked to me like that maneuver through half the Palace side single handily which led to the equalizer lifted the entire team up into believing. Before that, we looked dead. I didn't say it qualified him as the second coming of Pele, just, in that one moment, it felt to me like he put it on his shoulders to go take the Cup.
 
MrBest said:
I'm personally not bothered by his salary. How much United spend on him is up to them. My issue surrounds his ability at current point. I think he misplaces the ball far too often to be considered a first team starter. His range of passing is nothing compared with Scholes he does the same pass every time, switch to the right. About 60% reach the man. Yeah he was ok in the final, but let's face it we played palace. I have not seen him perform well against a good opposition this season. Only weaker teams did he shine. That's why I believe he should not start games nor should the focus be around him. The team should be built around Martial in my opinion. He's our man to do something with nothing.
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Certainly nothing to disagree with in any of that. A good, reasoned, thought out opinion. It just seems to me that many of the people here, on twitter, or what have you the thing that tends to drive the animosity is his pay check.
 
Jaxdan said:
Certainly nothing to disagree with in any of that. A good, reasoned, thought out opinion. It just seems to me that many of the people here, on twitter, or what have you the thing that tends to drive the animosity is his pay check.
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I don't think anyone will be begrudging his pay check if he wasn't so bad.

Those who are defending his paycheck are saying he's paid that because of the amount of commercial value he brings to the club like that's supposed to be assuring.

It's almost like he is being shoehorned into the side because he is the face of the club and has the highest commercial value, all at the expense of the football side of the club.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I don't think anyone will be begrudging his pay check if he wasn't so bad.

Those who are defending his paycheck are saying he's paid that because of the amount of commercial value he brings to the club like that's supposed to be assuring.

It's almost like he is being shoehorned into the side because he is the face of the club and has the highest commercial value, all at the expense of the football side of the club.
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Fair enough. I can understand that sentiment.
 
Jaxdan said:
Fair enough. I can understand that sentiment.
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Cheers, man.

I remember when Keane threatened to leave for Italy or Bayern during his first post Treble contract negotiations. I don't think the majority of United fans were calling him a greedy Irish cnut. People were actually clamouring for the club to just pay what he was worth as one of the top midfielders in the world.

Now, more than a decade later, we have people trying to justify Rooney's wages by pointing out his off field contributions. David Beckham would have been captain back then if that's the metric. Instead, after having Ole Solskjaer replace him by doing a good job on the right wing, Beckham was shipped out to Real and we bought a kid named Ronaldo to take over his number, who didn't do too badly.

That's the Manchester United I fell in love with. The one who was truly bigger than any players it had. Turns out we were better at replacing players than managers. :lol:
 
He's still really popular with match going fans. It's the ones on the internet who barely pay anything towards his wages that are up in arms about how much he earns.
 
I'm excited to see if Rooney can successfully make the transition to midfield... if he can master the position, it will be like having an extra striker that can occasionally move forward to terrorize defenses when you need an extra goal... Imagine trying to defend against Martial, Ibra, Rashford, Rooney all at the same time... it's not quite Barca's attack force but with another signing or two, we are getting close.
 
Dante said:
He's still really popular with match going fans. It's the ones on the internet who barely pay anything towards his wages that are up in arms about how much he earns.
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The ones not going to games are the reason behind the TV deals though.
 
Did anyone else click on this thread and expect it to say '...it's atrocious?'
 
marlowe78 said:
Did anyone else click on this thread and expect it to say '...it's atrocious?'
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Yep. However, it's better without. It's the punchline we all expected and know but didn't need deliverance.
 
The overhead against City sums his talent up.

His touch in the buildup is terrible, so bad he ends up passing to himself. Three seconds later he pulls out an instinctive overhead.
 
I wonder. Both Moyes and Van Gaal brought damnation upon themselves by building their teams around Rooney. They deliberately decided to ignore the path indicated by Fergie who understood Rooney was in decline and needed to be replaced. Look where it led them! I hope Mourinho would not make a similar mistake.

Rooney as a squad player? Fine. As an automatic first teamer? No way.
 
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