His touch is not bad, its fecking terrible.
I don't think Rooney's touch is bad.
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Those 5 yard first time passes to the nearest player is him trying to control the ball.
Saw the thread title and thought he'd been Yewtree'd. So, he doesn't have the 'bad touch' you say? Yeah, his touch is pretty poor...
This.
He's touch in average or below most the time. I'm capable of the odd world class touch myself even as a CB, doesn't mean I've a great touch though.
He's been slightly better with it recently, which is clouding people's memory of just how god damn awful it's been in the past.
That stint of him playing possibly the worst football of his entire career was just magnified by his awful control.
I would love to watch a highlights video of him away at Villa (this year or the season before?) I think it was quite possibly the worst professional performance I've ever seen
That stint of him playing possibly the worst football of his entire career was just magnified by his awful control.
I would love to watch a highlights video of him away at Villa (this year or the season before?) I think it was quite possibly the worst professional performance I've ever seen
It is not even that inconsistent. It is no more or less inconsistent than any other player that plays. It is massively overplayed on this website so people can get their little bit of attention for being the biggest "Rooney is shite"er on the site.
One thing is for sure, he's not a hold-up striker and humping the ball at him isn't the way to get the best out of his game.
Are we going to get a thread telling us that whatever he had done to his hair actually looks really, really good? How about one saying that he can actually act?
yeah Villa this season, legendaryHe's been slightly better with it recently, which is clouding people's memory of just how god damn awful it's been in the past.
That stint of him playing possibly the worst football of his entire career was just magnified by his awful control.
I would love to watch a highlights video of him away at Villa (this year or the season before?) I think it was quite possibly the worst professional performance I've ever seen
Are you a cool kid that says "bad" but means "good"?
That Villa game someone must have done a "highlights" package from that? It was like watching videos of drunk Russians trying to stay upright but in football land playing a reasonable game.
That Villa game
someone must have done a "highlights" package from that? It was like watching videos of drunk Russians trying to stay upright but in football land playing a reasonable game.First touch like a brick wall..
If you make a youtube compilation of his best moment in 2015/2016 it's probably 1 minute lenght, 2 minutes at a stretch
But if someone bothers to make a bad pass compilation, i'm sure it could reach 5 minute at minimum
But if someone bothers to make a bad pass compilation, i'm sure it could reach 5 minute at minimum
That Villa away game was incredible.
He was astonishingly bad in that game, like he'd never played football before. Even he came out and admitted he didn't play well.
He was astonishingly bad in that game, like he'd never played football before. Even he came out and admitted he didn't play well.
He is now slow as feck with a touch of a brick..
I agree its not bad.
It's fecking shyte.
It's fecking shyte.
Rooneys touch is sometimes bearable and sometimes Gary Glitter-esque. Overall - shite.
He was clearly never tasked with improving it (his first touch) under Ferguson as his number one job was just to drive at the opposition and score goals.
He's way beyond the point of correcting this deficit. His time is over and Ferguson would have shipped him out long ago.
I actually think this persistence with Rooney is a real sad state of affairs at this stage. A real lack of standards.
He's way beyond the point of correcting this deficit. His time is over and Ferguson would have shipped him out long ago.
I actually think this persistence with Rooney is a real sad state of affairs at this stage. A real lack of standards.
^^^^^^^^
It means nothing when it suits certain people.
Fact is, Rooney's bad touch will always be noticed more than others.
It doesn't matter his touch gets noticed more than others, the point is that it's terrible for someone who is (supposedly) world class. The fact that you had to pull some random stat with no context to dispute it somewhat already showed you're also agreeing to the issue.
The worst way to end an OP is by putting 'Discuss'.
Terrible OP. Almost more terrible than Rooneys first touch.
Terrible OP. Almost more terrible than Rooneys first touch.
His touch is fine.
It's made to look worse because he tends plays at at a higher tempo than most whilst trying to do about 5 things at the same. All his managers have built teams around him, despite posters repeatedly claiming he's finished. The coaches he plays under (and the teammates he plays with) see what he provides the team and how he puts opponents on the back foot. He's not as great as he was, but he's still very good. The criticism he gets here is way over the top.
I always thought it was weird how people would try to contrast Berbatov's touch with Rooney's. One played at 5mph and the other at 100mph. Granted, Rooney has slowed down a bit, but he's still a very direct player. It's not comparing like with like.
Mourinho will love him and he's as good a manager as you'll find anywhere.
It's made to look worse because he tends plays at at a higher tempo than most whilst trying to do about 5 things at the same. All his managers have built teams around him, despite posters repeatedly claiming he's finished. The coaches he plays under (and the teammates he plays with) see what he provides the team and how he puts opponents on the back foot. He's not as great as he was, but he's still very good. The criticism he gets here is way over the top.
I always thought it was weird how people would try to contrast Berbatov's touch with Rooney's. One played at 5mph and the other at 100mph. Granted, Rooney has slowed down a bit, but he's still a very direct player. It's not comparing like with like.
Mourinho will love him and he's as good a manager as you'll find anywhere.
Random stat that shows the average of bad touches per game. Ok
So you took into account how many touches in total they have a game compared to each other, what is the percentage of those bad touches? How BAD is "bad" and the in game situation that led to those to say the least?
By your logic, the list above those you named have better touch and the list below worse in general?
Similarly if I say Langerak average 4.5 saves a game, higher than anyone else does that mean he's the best shot stopper in the game? Stats mean absolutely nothing without proper context, hence random.
So is the defence, which ranges from "Leave Britney alone" territory to "Have some respect for our loyal servant, you unraggy bastids"; but what we constantly read here is that it's his critics who are the lunatics.
His wage to skill ratio should surely be the worst in world football.
The responses in this thread offer a different picture of the balance between his defenders/detractors. The lunacy is almost entirely on his detractors' side. The people I see defending him are far more sober by comparison.
And I don't think Donald Trump's hair is orange.
I don't think Fritzl's basement was that bad.
Yes well, like Rooney, they're in a very comfortable position so there's no need for them to get stressed.
Spot-on comment....
wasn't SAF supposed to ship him out then he retired before he could do so? of course I objected to that at the time but way things have shaped up it makes perfect sense now.
It blows hot and cold like Rooney himself. Even at his peak he'd have mares out of the blue and his touch would desert him. Unfortunately off days are usually the norm rather than the exception with Rooney these days.
he put him in a compromising situation publicly by again saying he asked to leave. Usually he fiercely protects his players
I don't think the issue is just his touch, its his overall ability.
He can't beat a defender, has barely any dribbling skills, generally puts the ball out to the wing instead of a through ball and these days he rarely hits the target from range like he used to.
For $300k a week...
He can't beat a defender, has barely any dribbling skills, generally puts the ball out to the wing instead of a through ball and these days he rarely hits the target from range like he used to.
For $300k a week...
Yeah i reckon if Fergie had of stayed 1 more season he would have been shown the door. Would have been correct decision too..hindsight and all that.
For 300k a week it is atrocious, even for 10k a week it's still awful. Footballers should at least be required to be able to carry out the basics to justify their wages. If a surgeon had a shaky hand I doubt many would be shrugging their shoulders.
For me the whole Rooney situation is probably my biggest grievance with the club at the moment, slightly ahead of the Giggs situation. Not only is his first touch poor, but his general play is poor. Sometimes I have to shake my head in disbelief, wondering whether I watch the same game as some of our fans. For a captain, highest earner, and automatic starter, Rooney's performances have been disgraceful for the most part. I'm beyond annoyed at constantly hearing English pundits and commentators fawning over him, as if he's still the world class driving force that he once was. He's so far away from the player he used to be that it's barely worth comparing.
His insistence on hitting those long balls to the wing is infuriating. It seems to be the only trick left in his locker. But apparently it's enough to impress ex professionals. The mind boggles. Is punditry in this country really so disgustingly biased or have standards at our club really dropped that low? I don't know, but I do know it's time he was phased out of the team altogether. Compare him to the forwards/midfielders at the best clubs in Europe and you'll see just how great the gulf in quality is. But to some people it doesn't matter; he's Wayne Rooney, England and United legend, shoehorn him in and let him play wherever the hell he likes...
His insistence on hitting those long balls to the wing is infuriating. It seems to be the only trick left in his locker. But apparently it's enough to impress ex professionals. The mind boggles. Is punditry in this country really so disgustingly biased or have standards at our club really dropped that low? I don't know, but I do know it's time he was phased out of the team altogether. Compare him to the forwards/midfielders at the best clubs in Europe and you'll see just how great the gulf in quality is. But to some people it doesn't matter; he's Wayne Rooney, England and United legend, shoehorn him in and let him play wherever the hell he likes...
I took into account how many bad touches per game a player has. That's all I could find.
Also, should it matter how bad the touch is? A bad touch is a bad touch.
If a shot narrowly misses the target, it is deemed as a shot off target. Similarly, if a shot goes nearer to the corner flag, the same applies.
A lot of people simply lack emotional control when it comes to Rooney. His far too high wage and him holding us at ransom prevents people from objectively judging him as a player. One could be led to believe he's as poor as Falcao was for us based on the posts in here.
Most judging him as a player in all these threads say the same several things about him as a player, why is that?