... it's just inconsistent at times. Sometimes his first touch will be world class and other times it will be very average. Discuss!
I don't think Rooney's touch is bad.
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An inconsistent touch is a bad touch
If you can't trap the ball consistently when being paid 300k a week, yes it's bad.
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an inconsistent first touch is a shit first touch for a player of that calibre/position/salary.
This thread is going to contain a lot of the OP's favourite reference to Rooney's wages.
His touch is consistently crap.
I also think his Hollywood pass deserves its own thread
This. His touch can vary so wildly its crazy, i think its a concentration issue.
I dont think he's as bad as everyone here makes out anyway, he's just not a clinical no.9 anymore, especially the way we've been playing. he's still a player that would have suitors all around the world in top leagues should he be transfer listed.
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scored one in training dontcha know? there was a press conference on it and everythingDon't forget the chip over the goalkeeper too
Sometimes even my touch is world class, it just happens once in a few years. Of course a professional footballer who played hundreds of games will have the moments when his first touch is class, but it, unlike Ronaldinho, Berbatov, Messi or even Mata, he can't do it consistently and fecks up too often for a supposedly world class player.
Yeah I don't think it's bad either
Not sure he ever was hugely prolific. Dont think its a conincidence that SAF tended to use a second striker with him.
Tbh i only remember 2 seasons were he was hitting the 35ish goals kind of mark that was enough for a solo striker at a team hoping to win the league.
I agree with the general point though. He needs a bit of direction and a clearer role but i think hes capable of adjusting his game and still being a good player.
There are times when he still shows that extra bit of a class (the run in the fa cup final for instance)
and I think thats in pretty short supply elsewhere in the team so I think we'd miss him if he moved on.
Well that's just not good enough then is it, it seems to me a lot of people are content with his Scholes type passes out wide, yet totally miss his crap touch, and terrible short range passing.
He will be England's Achilles heel this summer, and no doubt ours next season, I just hope Jose has a good plan for him.
Can you get banned for starting loads of repetitive pointless threads with bad OPs?
Niether do I, but you what people are like when it comes to Rooney.
According to whoscored.com, Mahrez (2.1), Martial (2.4), Sanchez (2.4), Costa (2.9), Aguero (2), Ozil (2), Alli (2.5) and Coutinho (2) - all the players that people would possibly associate with having a good touch, all average more unsuccessful touches per game than Rooney (1.8).
According to whoscored.com, Mahrez (2.1), Martial (2.4), Sanchez (2.4), Costa (2.9), Aguero (2), Ozil (2), Alli (2.5) and Coutinho (2) - all the players that people would possibly associate with having a good touch, all average more unsuccessful touches per game than Rooney (1.8).
Nuff said
Needs context.
What don't you understand?
I don't fail to understand. Martial tries things, he's often double marked, he's positive in his play. Rooney often dallies on the ball, takes quite a few touches, goes for the diagonal and tries to get himself in the box. Those stats alone don't clear anything up. We'd also do well to trust simply watching the games. His touch has been poor. Think that's pretty clear. Martial's close control, at pace, is frightning.
We've also been comparing 2015-2016 Rooney to the Rooney of the last 10 years. He had other abilities that helped when his touch deserted him, like relentless drive, strength, more pace. Now, not so much.
A first touch so good, that his second touch is a tackle.
Actually, remember him being put through one on one with a keeper. but his first touch was so bad he ended up putting it out for a throw in so that it wouldnt go out for a goal kick
Actually, remember him being put through one on one with a keeper. but his first touch was so bad he ended up putting it out for a throw in so that it wouldnt go out for a goal kick
I've heard a similar argument for Adam Johnson's.
Think it was against Villa.A first touch so good, that his second touch is a tackle.
Actually, remember him being put through one on one with a keeper. but his first touch was so bad he ended up putting it out for a throw in so that it wouldnt go out for a goal kick
I am a Rooney fan but I have to admit he has to work on his first touch.
The only thing i hated more than LVG's football last year was Rooney being a guaranteed starter. However, the rational side of my brain keeps reminding me that his first touch isn't bad.
A. Most people are confusing the ability to hold up the ball under pressure with touch.
B. I think he's starting to realize that he's not as fast as he used to be. It seems like he takes a longer first touch because he doesn't have the legs to get on the ball, whereas the Rooney of old would have.
A. Most people are confusing the ability to hold up the ball under pressure with touch.
B. I think he's starting to realize that he's not as fast as he used to be. It seems like he takes a longer first touch because he doesn't have the legs to get on the ball, whereas the Rooney of old would have.
If he hasn't worked on it till this point in his career, its not happening now.
Oh gosh, I was thinking it was a European match. Which possibly means it happened more than once
feck this threadAnother Wayne Rooney thread, this one has to be one of the worst yet. A two sentence thread about his touch...uh honestly! It's awful and has been for sometime. How do we accommodate Rooney, Rooney's run for the equalizer, What's next for Rooney if Zlatan signs. Wayne Rooney when asked about new manager Jose Mourihno. A comprehensive look-back on Wayne Rooney's career. Wayne Rooney's salary ect..to name only a few of late. He is the past and irrelevant for the future of this united side. A run against against a poor Palace doesn't hide his decline. Getting rid of him instead of wasting a position in midfield should be our aim next season, never mind discussing his touch.
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Another topic about Rooney. Cool.
I can pluck a ball out of the air and stop it on a sixpence, i just cant do it every time. A good touch at the professional level means doing it every time and Rooney cant.
In Rooneys case its the same thing. Too often his first touch takes the ball away from him and hes instantly under pressure.
This is why simply posting stats mean nothing. It's like when people compare players using things like squawka matrixs or whatever. Just watch the game.
Im fairly convinced these people don't
IMO, Rooney's first touch has always been quite unrefined for a player of his stature, and you have to wonder how well he was coached in that aspect. Even when he was young, his action to trap or flick the ball at initial contact let him down consistently (especially if the face of pressure), and he often wasn't able to set it up for the second - resulting in lost momentum when he was on the move, or United conceding possession in the final third. Watching him play alongside someone like say Berbatov or Van Persie was eye opening because you quickly became aware of the massive gulf in class between the their first touch, and Wayne's. But because he was so gifted from an athletic perspective, and had fast reflexes - he could quickly correct his error, or take the ball in his stride, or maybe grapple with the opponent at close quarters when he wasn't able to trap it at first. But as his body deteriorates further, and his coordination/ reflexes dull with age, not only is his first touch letting him down more frequently from a mechanical standpoint, he's also not always able to correct the error sharpish. And that flaw is becoming more pronounced because contemporary teams are more willing than (ever?) to press the opposition in an effort to dislodge the ball, instead of sitting back, and letting him recover from the error.
Which is why plugging him in midfield isn't as attractive of a proposition as it sounds at face value. At his best, Rooney's game was predicated on natural athleticism, perceptiveness, and momentum - allied with good (but not great for a player of his level) technique. Once you diminish that element of speed to power conversion, he's like a sitting suck with deficient technique to ever be a top midfielder. You can maybe play him there against lower to mid level PL teams because he can still travel with the ball (to an extent), do some hustle-bustle work when he's up for it, and ping it wide; but he will get exposed against the big boys, or in Europe. The midfielder business is more about prolonging Wayne's career, than an organic progression where he's always had the technique and knowhow, but had now gained a polished insight with experience - to mature like fine wine. I'd rather he played rightback because he can send decent crosses in, and do some bulldog stuff at an admittedly slower pace.
Which is why plugging him in midfield isn't as attractive of a proposition as it sounds at face value. At his best, Rooney's game was predicated on natural athleticism, perceptiveness, and momentum - allied with good (but not great for a player of his level) technique. Once you diminish that element of speed to power conversion, he's like a sitting suck with deficient technique to ever be a top midfielder. You can maybe play him there against lower to mid level PL teams because he can still travel with the ball (to an extent), do some hustle-bustle work when he's up for it, and ping it wide; but he will get exposed against the big boys, or in Europe. The midfielder business is more about prolonging Wayne's career, than an organic progression where he's always had the technique and knowhow, but had now gained a polished insight with experience - to mature like fine wine. I'd rather he played rightback because he can send decent crosses in, and do some bulldog stuff at an admittedly slower pace.
No its pretty bad. Bad enough that he'd be a liability in midfield.