How would you feel if Rooney smashed it at Everton?

I feel for him; I realise it’s mostly down to how he’s chosen to live his life, but to be so washed-up by the age of 32 is sad to see.
 
He started well, almost looked like he had remembered how to play football. Sadly that only lasted about 6 games. Since then he has shown exactly why United let him go. Pity, he was one of my favourites for a few years.

Will he retire this summer?
 
Antisocial said:
I feel for him; I realise it’s mostly down to how he’s chosen to live his life, but to be so washed-up by the age of 32 is sad to see.
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That's the thing.
This is a period where players regularly play till their late 30s. 32 is not old at all. There are several top players born in 1985 still playing at a very high level...Young, Valencia, Modric, Ronaldo, Chielini. The list is endless. Sad to see.
 
Made a bet with a friend that he won't score 10 league goals. I know that I've lost a while ago, but now I checked and ofc he's still on the same number.
 
Antisocial said:
I feel for him; I realise it’s mostly down to how he’s chosen to live his life, but to be so washed-up by the age of 32 is sad to see.
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It's mainly genetics, not how he's "chosen to live his life". A few junk food meals, beers and cigarettes every season won't take years off your prime physical period. He was a grown man at age 16, so it makes sense he'd also go downhill sooner than most.
 
goin4glory said:
Been finished for years, one of the best things Mourinho did was get rid of him.
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Unfortunately I just can't help but agree....Wayne was way past his best,SAF could spot his imminent decline way before anybody else.I was convinced that he wouldn't set the league on fire at Everton,he's well past it...
 
It was fun when some people here got too excited over few goals he scored from penalties and such, during his usual spells of good form of three and a half games, after couple of months of playing terrible.
 
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Antisocial said:
I feel for him; I realise it’s mostly down to how he’s chosen to live his life, but to be so washed-up by the age of 32 is sad to see.
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I think it's also to do with starting so young. Also, despite never being the fastest, in his early days he had a great burst of acceleration and that's one of the first things to go.
 
Rossa said:
You still feel this way? Even a prime Rooney was extremely inconsistent. Now he is consistently not good enough for Everton.
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Well, to defend myself, before this season there were alot of fans on this forum angry at Lingard performances and Martial while obviously showing his talent here and there, hasn't quite reached the heights of his 2015-16 season. But of course, given Rooney's current standards, both of them are playing way better than him. At the time I wrote that post, I was impressed with the fact he was playing somewhat better than he had done in his last season here, it looked as if he would improve and have a strong finish to the season, but in my rush to praise him I misjudged what was and wasn't an acceptable comparison. Right now, I feel like next season could be Rooney's last in the Premier League.
 
Caught the highlights of the derby and beyond noticing how shite Everton are in general, he really looked done for. Physically shot.
 
Why is he persisting on playing more ? He did everything he need in his career. No need to humiliate yourself when it's clear your body is done for. Just retire and call it off. Perfect career. No need for several more years of mediocrity.
 
The only place I can see him getting paid and making some sort of impact is China.
The MLS would be too fast paced for him.
It's a real shame he didn't take better care of himself.
 
el3mel said:
Why is he persisting on playing more ? He did everything he need in his career. No need to humiliate yourself when it's clear your body is done for. Just retire and call it off. Perfect career. No need for several more years of mediocrity.
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For lots of players (and I think this is probably true for Wayne) it's the routine of training, being with your team-mates, matchdays, etc. that they don't want to lose. If it's all you've ever known psychologically I can understand why it'd be hard to give that up, and why I think lots of players persist well past their sell-by date.
 
littlepeasoup said:
For lots of players (and I think this is probably true for Wayne) it's the routine of training, being with your team-mates, matchdays, etc. that they don't want to lose. If it's all you've ever known psychologically I can understand why it'd be hard to give that up, and why I think lots of players persist well past their sell-by date.
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Plus he probably won't be making nearly as much once he retires. It'd be disappointing if players (or anyone else) made decisions about their lives based on what other people think than their own preferences.
 
his goalscoring in the first few games was a fluke and returns to normal level over the whole season.
 
ravi2 said:
The only place I can see him getting paid and making some sort of impact is China.
The MLS would be too fast paced for him.
It's a real shame he didn't take better care of himself.
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Zlatan wasn't the quickest this season to put it mildly and look how he's doing in the MLS.
 
Entering Everton forum to see their view on him, holy shite did Sam really say that ? :lol:

Wayne Rooney
If Rooney was demonstrably annoyed at being substituted by his manager in the 57th minute for the second successive home game in a row, goodness only knows what his reaction was to Sam Allardyce’s quotes that filled the Sunday papers.

“Our passing sometimes got a bit woeful. That is why we made the changes,” was Allardyce’s immediate post-match take. “He can say whatever he wants to me in the office but it has to be done between the four walls of the office between me and him. He’s an Evertonian through and through and he’s been brought off in a derby game. I’d expect a reaction because that’s how much he cares. That’s fine by me.”

If that intended to play down the problem, far worse was to come:

“I can agree with you, to a certain degree, that Wayne struggles against the very best opposition,” Allardyce said. “He didn’t play very well in the first half against Manchester City but, before that, he had been outstanding and we had been a little bit short in midfield in recent weeks anyway. We’re still playing Tom Davies at 19 and bringing on Beni Baningime at 19-years-old and we are without Gylfi Sigurdsson, who can play there.”

Allardyce is effectively admitting that Rooney is playing for Everton because there is nobody else available. Were there, he would be sat squarely on the bench.

That is an extraordinary admission for two reasons. Firstly, Rooney is Everton’s highest-paid player at around £150,000 a week, a significant drop from his Manchester United salary but still lofty. A jobbing 32-year-old Everton midfielder really is on more money than any Tottenham player.

Secondly, it suggests that Rooney’s career at the top level is finished. When Allardyce was made England manager, he famously said that he could not stop Rooney playing in midfield for the national team, because he had enjoyed such a decorated club career. Seventeen months later, and it is Allardyce who is hammering nails into Rooney’s coffin.

The expectation was that Allardyce’s arrival at Goodison was good news for Rooney. An English manager for an English player, and one who would have far more respect for Rooney than a continental coach might. They tend to prioritise little things like stamina and energy rather than reputation.

Rooney’s first-team place might well have been at significant risk anyway. Allardyce is likely to leave this summer having burned the few bridges that were in place when he took over. Would Paulo Fonseca have the same inbuilt respect towards Rooney?

As it is, one of Rooney’s closest cohorts has done more to damage his long-term reputation than anyone else. Insinuating that Rooney struggles against the elite when playing for a club who have designs on becoming part of that elite is to render him useless. Rooney may well outlast Allardyce at Goodison, but don’t expect the final year of his contract to be a grand hurrah.
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littlepeasoup said:
For lots of players (and I think this is probably true for Wayne) it's the routine of training, being with your team-mates, matchdays, etc. that they don't want to lose. If it's all you've ever known psychologically I can understand why it'd be hard to give that up, and why I think lots of players persist well past their sell-by date.
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Yes, it is all they have known since they were kids. They are somewhat institutionalized into being pro footballers. Rooney is only 32, if he still loves playing then keep doing it for as long as he can, even if that means dropping down a level. Damage to his reputation? Piss on that, the guy is the all time top scorer for Utd and England, his legacy is set.
 
New generation of fans will see him play and ask who this guy is.
They won't know he was once a force of nature.
A bit sad. It will be pretty difficult for him to accept he can no longer play at the highest level at 32. That's no age to be retiring.
 
To be fair to him, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has the mileage of a 34-35 years old player, he started to play a lot at a young age.
 
JPRouve said:
To be fair to him, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has the mileage of a 34-35 years old player, he started to play a lot at a young age.
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Did a quick Wiki check and he's got around 800 senior appearances for club and country. You're right, that's generally the mileage of a 34-35 year old, not someone who's 32.
 
Ferguson opened the exit door in that interview he did just before he left. What's crazy is, Mourinho was so desperate to get him, he'd have probably done a swap for Lukaku (who moved to Everton the same month). The worst thing we did was signing him up on about £250,000 a week.
 
Captain Obvious said:
Ive been watching Rooney for so long i can no longer remember when he was a great player. He's been shit for at least 7 years now. His own fault for not taking care of his body. I'm sooooooo glad Mourinho got rid of him!
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It's not mainly his own fault. It's mostly genetics. A few junk food meals, beers and cigarettes each season do not put you downhill years before you otherwise would have declined. The inconvenient truth is that much of what goes wrong in the average person's life is outside our own control.
 
FujiVice said:
Ferguson opened the exit door in that interview he did just before he left. What's crazy is, Mourinho was so desperate to get him, he'd have probably done a swap for Lukaku (who moved to Everton the same month). The worst thing we did was signing him up on about £250,000 a week.
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He was on the decline, but he was still at good level to utilized (for Chelsea when compare to Torres, Ba and an aging Eto'o with no inexperience in PL). Rooney with energy is Mourinho's type of player over Torres, Mat, in the supporting forward role.

Moyes and LVG just indulged him and accelerating him ti his decline with all the privileges, rather than keeping the fire under his arse. SAF's approach to manage Rooney even when they were in good relation period was to constantly push him. Rooney needs that type of management.
 
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Had a look at the Everton forum yesterday, made for grim viewing. He has a year left on his contract. He'll be a lucky boy if the new manager wants him around.
 
The last good acceptable season for Rooney was LVG first season iirc. He wasn't the top player he was once was but was still having an acceptable level of performance and did score some very good goals. After that it was all shite.
 
JPRouve said:
To be fair to him, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has the mileage of a 34-35 years old player, he started to play a lot at a young age.
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He is at the top end of appearances in a career full stop. There’s a chance he will get in the top 50 appearances of all time by the time he retires. People that slate him for his mileage always do so against players at the extreme end of longevity like Zanetti or Giggs. Fact is he has already played significantly more games than the average player does throughout their career.

He’s on 792 at the moment, this list counts youth internationals too so I would expect Rooney to have played at least 15 times for England in those age groups.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footballers_with_the_most_official_appearances

Edit: transfermarkedt has his youth international apps at 17 so 809 apps for him.
 
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