How peaceful is Islam?

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The recent terrorist attacks in Paris shook up the whole world. One of the most popular opinions circulated was that Islam as a whole is peaceful, however there is a very small violent minority. Personally I'm an Atheist, but I have a close family member who is Muslim and is a very nice person who cannot hurt a fly, but to be fair he is not very religious.

I'm starting to doubt the notion about the peacefulness of Islam, especially among the people who take their religion seriously. I did some research and compiled the following stats:

Number of world's armed conflicts active during 2015: 55
Number of these conflicts involving Islamists: 40
Number of people killed in Islamic conflicts in 2015: 133,400

So 73% of world's armed conflicts in 2015 involve Islamists, usually fights between different factions of Islam. That's a huge number, especially considering that Muslims are only 22% of the world's population.

I found another, even more chilling statistic:
Victims of terrorism during 2015: 6,200
Victims by Islamic terrorists: 6,100

So, all the crazies around the world, including white supremacists, pro-Russian, or pro-Ukrainian rebels, Korean separatists, etc. killed 1.6% of terrorism victims, while Islamists killed 98.4%. In 2015 there were Islamists terrorist attacks in 32 different countries in all corners of the world. It's really hard for me to accept anymore that it is a very small minority causing these problems.
 
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There are some pretty peaceful Islamic countries.

I mean, at this point the Iraq-Syria region is just a special case.
 
rcoobc said:
There are some pretty peaceful Islamic countries.

I mean, at this point the Iraq-Syria region is just a special case.
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In 2015 there were terrorist attacks in the following predominantly Islamic countries:
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Bahrain
Bosna and Herzegovina
Egypt
Iraq
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Mali
Nigeria
Niger
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Syria
Tunisia
Turkey
Yemen
 
I said this in the religion thread (and this'll probably be moved to there anyways), but what Islam community means by peace is not the same as what we believe peace is.

Winrar said:
from what little I know if Islam, it means to submit/surrender. goal of islam is to achieve peace after forcing everyone submit/surrender to their god allah and their prophet muhammad.

[addition] so it's basically peace by submission.
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of course with introduction of secular morality into modern society apologists try to twist that and repeatedly drone "islam is peaceful", "islam is religion of peace", against the overwhelming statistics (like you, OP, posted) that state otherwise.

it's a very scary idea if you think about it, especially so if this is what IS's ultimate goal is.
 
Momochiru said:
The recent terrorist attacks in Paris shook up the whole world. One of the most popular opinions circulated was that Islam as a whole is peaceful, however there is a very small violent minority. Personally I'm an Atheist, but I have a close family member who is Muslim and is a very nice person who cannot hurt a fly, but to be fair he is not very religious.

I'm starting to doubt the notion about the peacefulness of Islam, especially among the people who take their religion seriously. I did some research and compiled the following stats:

Number of world's armed conflicts active during 2015: 55
Number of these conflicts involving Islamists: 40

So 73% of world's armed conflicts in 2015 involve Islamists, usually fights between different factions of Islam. That's a huge number, especially considering that Muslims are only 22% of the world's population.

I found another, even more chilling statistic:
Victims of terrorism during 2015: 6,200
Victims by Islamic terrorists: 6,100

So, all the crazies around the world, including white supremacists, pro-Russian, or pro-Ukrainian rebels, Korean separatists, etc. killed 1.6% of terrorism victims, while Islamists killed 98.4%. In 2015 there were Islamists terrorist attacks in 32 different countries in all corners of the world. It's really hard for me to accept anymore that it is a very small minority causing these problems.
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deduction not a strong suit?

if it wasn't a very small minority - 6,200 dead would be 6mil dead
 
Momochiru said:
The recent terrorist attacks in Paris shook up the whole world. One of the most popular opinions circulated was that Islam as a whole is peaceful, however there is a very small violent minority. Personally I'm an Atheist, but I have a close family member who is Muslim and is a very nice person who cannot hurt a fly, but to be fair he is not very religious.

I'm starting to doubt the notion about the peacefulness of Islam, especially among the people who take their religion seriously. I did some research and compiled the following stats:

Number of world's armed conflicts active during 2015: 55
Number of these conflicts involving Islamists: 40

So 73% of world's armed conflicts in 2015 involve Islamists, usually fights between different factions of Islam. That's a huge number, especially considering that Muslims are only 22% of the world's population.

I found another, even more chilling statistic:
Victims of terrorism during 2015: 6,200
Victims by Islamic terrorists: 6,100

So, all the crazies around the world, including white supremacists, pro-Russian, or pro-Ukrainian rebels, Korean separatists, etc. killed 1.6% of terrorism victims, while Islamists killed 98.4%. In 2015 there were Islamists terrorist attacks in 32 different countries in all corners of the world. It's really hard for me to accept anymore that it is a very small minority causing these problems.
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I just can't understand how you arrived at that conclusion in bold, using your statistics.
 
Neutral said:
deduction not a strong suit?

if it wasn't a very small minority - 6,200 dead would be 6mil dead
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Yeah, I just don't get it. Lets say 10% of the Muslims are violent. That's a 100 million people...a kill rate of 6000 (a big chunk of those being fellow Muslims) seems pitiful for that bloodthirsty horde :wenger:
 
It is interesting that it's a religion of peace, and a religion that is up there with the most strictly followed, yet predominantly Muslim countries are some of the most violent, even ignoring the West's involvement.

Of course the violence is down to politics as much as anything. So basically, it being a peaceful religion is useless and it's down to individuals and groups.

Tl;dr - Religion is useless.
 
Neutral said:
deduction not a strong suit?

if it wasn't a very small minority - 6,200 dead would be 6mil dead
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MDFC Manager said:
I just can't understand how you arrived at that conclusion in bold, using your statistics.
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Terrorist atrocities aside, it's a reasonable point to wonder if there's some sort of systemic issue with Islamic states (which coule only be attributable to their shared religion, surely?) when 73% of the current armed conflicts going on in the world are on behalf of just 22% of the population.

So I guess the point isn't so much about terrorists as the conflicts around them. You can't keep blaming a tiny minority for actions which are being taken on such a grand scale.
 
Momochiru said:
The recent terrorist attacks in Paris shook up the whole world. One of the most popular opinions circulated was that Islam as a whole is peaceful, however there is a very small violent minority. Personally I'm an Atheist, but I have a close family member who is Muslim and is a very nice person who cannot hurt a fly, but to be fair he is not very religious.

I'm starting to doubt the notion about the peacefulness of Islam, especially among the people who take their religion seriously. I did some research and compiled the following stats:

Number of world's armed conflicts active during 2015: 55
Number of these conflicts involving Islamists: 40

So 73% of world's armed conflicts in 2015 involve Islamists, usually fights between different factions of Islam. That's a huge number, especially considering that Muslims are only 22% of the world's population.

I found another, even more chilling statistic:
Victims of terrorism during 2015: 6,200
Victims by Islamic terrorists: 6,100

So, all the crazies around the world, including white supremacists, pro-Russian, or pro-Ukrainian rebels, Korean separatists, etc. killed 1.6% of terrorism victims, while Islamists killed 98.4%. In 2015 there were Islamists terrorist attacks in 32 different countries in all corners of the world. It's really hard for me to accept anymore that it is a very small minority causing these problems.
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How do you even reach that conclusion?
 
6100 victims of terrorism? Are we going to ignore the hundreds and thousands of Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis, Lebanese, Pakistani and Afghan victims of terrorism?
 
Kaos said:
6100 victims of terrorism? Are we going to ignore the hundreds and thousands of Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis, Lebanese, Pakistani and Afghan victims of terrorism?
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That's not the point of this thread. That's been done a million times on here and Facebook recently.
At least it's a different discussion and probably should have it's own thread out of the other religion one.
 
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it does not help that the west intervened in some kind of way in many muslim countries from the crusades , the plundering of afrika to bombing some into dust
 
Updated OP with the total number of victims of Islamic conflicts so far in 2015: 133,400
Neutral said:
deduction not a strong suit?

if it wasn't a very small minority - 6,200 dead would be 6mil dead
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MDFC Manager said:
I just can't understand how you arrived at that conclusion in bold, using your statistics.
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MDFC Manager said:
Yeah, I just don't get it. Lets say 10% of the Muslims are violent. That's a 100 million people...a kill rate of 6000 (a big chunk of those being fellow Muslims) seems pitiful for that bloodthirsty horde :wenger:
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DesiBD said:
How do you even reach that conclusion?
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If you're going to hand out those numbers you have to offer sources so we can verify and consider the context, otherwise any decent debate is impossible. Regardless, even if 100% of the world's terrorism victims were cause by Muslims, that still wouldn't necessarily disprove that the vast majority of Muslims are in fact peaceful.
 
Non religious people are more peaceful than religious. Morals don't originate in religion. Religion can be seen as mirror to the time in which they were founded though.
 
Not sure if her % are right, I don't claim to be as clued in as I should be....but saw this making the rounds again and this seemed like as good a place as any to slip it in to pretend I added something to the conversation.

 
Pogue Mahone said:
Terrorist atrocities aside, it's a reasonable point to wonder if there's some sort of systemic issue with Islamic states (which coule only be attributable to their shared religion, surely?) when 73% of the current armed conflicts going on in the world are on behalf of just 22% of the population.

So I guess the point isn't so much about terrorists as the conflicts around them. You can't keep blaming a tiny minority for actions which are being taken on such a grand scale.
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How many of those 73% conflicts are being fought under a purely religious basis? How many of those conflicts have complete support of all resident/local Muslims?

So, of course the tiny minority has to be blamed for their actions being undertaken on a grand scale.
 
If I'm not mistaken, Islam is born at a time where not being christian or Jew wasn't seen kindly and in countries where the figure of god was a threat for political powers. Islam is born with a target in the back, which should explain some of text available in the Quran and other books.

Also my town is a medieval town with two historically important Universities, those Universities received a lot of muslims during the middle age and there isn't one story of conflict concerning the muslims, the region is historically protestant and loads of people have been killed by Catholics but I don't remember any stories concerning muslims.
 
In the figures in OP is what France are doing to Syria now considered terrorism? Does that count to those figures? I mean bombing a school has to be terrorism. So it should count to those figures?
 
JPRouve said:
If I'm not mistaken, Islam is born at a time where not being christian or Jew wasn't seen kindly and in countries where the figure of god was a threat for political powers. Islam is born with a target in the back, which should explain some of text available in the Quran and other books.

Also my town is a medieval town with two historically important Universities, those Universities received a lot of muslims during the middle age and there isn't one story of conflict concerning the muslims, the region is historically protestant and loads of people have been killed by Catholics but I don't remember any stories concerning muslims.
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Why go back so far in time? Let's just go back roughly 70 years. How many Muslims were out killing in the name of Islam? Or let's go back to when Saddam was in power and the middle east wasn't a political clusterfeck?
 
Ainu said:
If you're going to hand out those numbers you have to offer sources so we can verify and consider the context, otherwise any decent debate is impossible. Regardless, even if 100% of the world's terrorism victims were cause by Muslims, that still wouldn't necessarily disprove that the vast majority of Muslims are in fact peaceful.
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Each terrorist attack has its own source. It is impossible to quote all of them, as there are more than 300 terrorist attacks so far this year. I have compiled the numbers by myself. If you are interested, there is a wiki page tracking all terrorist attacks and each one has a quoted source, so you can verify.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Why go back so far in time? Let's just go back roughly 70 years. How many Muslims were out killing in the name of Islam? Or let's go back to when Saddam was in power and the middle east wasn't a political clusterfeck?
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You are right, but I wanted to point out that if Islam in itself was a problem then it would have been worse 600 year ago when the Quran was a lot more realistic than today.
Like you said the current problems are a lot more due to Irak being a weak state where egotistical men can play the caliphs and exploit the resources of the soil.
 
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