This guy gets it. Absolutely nothing wrong with DDG.
How much of a priority is upgrading our goalkeeper?
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He had one, he wasn’t good enough to keep DDG out. Nuff said.
Should be about 11th on list of priorities, i.e it is definitely NOT one
Probably at the bottom of the list
People don’t want to talk about but he’s always been a big problem with our defence. Zero command of the box. Awesome shot stopper. I’d rather have the former.
When your roof is leaking water and your windows need replacing, buying new furniture is nice to have, not must have.
Let's fix the rest of the squad first.
Let's fix the rest of the squad first.
Not a priority at all this or next summer imo.
Ddg can be trusted for another year or two.
However!! If we manage to find a decent defensive midfielder that at least halves all the chances against us, DDG may look incredibly suspect.
Ddg can be trusted for another year or two.
However!! If we manage to find a decent defensive midfielder that at least halves all the chances against us, DDG may look incredibly suspect.
Forgettign the dodgy spell he had for a couple of seasons, he has been our only consistent performer the last two seasons and one of barely any the few years beforehand.
Isnt a priority at all, are there better keepers yes, are there more modern keepers better with the ball at there feet and commanding the box yes. But he isnt weak in either an dis one of the best shot stoppers in the world and one of the better keepers.
What we maybe should do is sell Henderson who holds value and seems liek he may wish to leave and replace HIM with maybe a modern keeper like Vandervordt as long term competition to DeGea, we can do that with a negative net spend I expect both transfer fee wise and wage wise
Isnt a priority at all, are there better keepers yes, are there more modern keepers better with the ball at there feet and commanding the box yes. But he isnt weak in either an dis one of the best shot stoppers in the world and one of the better keepers.
What we maybe should do is sell Henderson who holds value and seems liek he may wish to leave and replace HIM with maybe a modern keeper like Vandervordt as long term competition to DeGea, we can do that with a negative net spend I expect both transfer fee wise and wage wise
In 2022 Football is pretty easy. If you start from scratch you need to focus on controlling the game with and without the ball which is essetnailly done with your midfield, you need to have a lot of creativity which is done with a combination of midfielders, attackers and wide players, you need to put the ball in the net which is done by midfielders and attackers.
As long as you don't have that you don't need to focus on CBs and goalkeepers. The 90s Serie A is dead.
As long as you don't have that you don't need to focus on CBs and goalkeepers. The 90s Serie A is dead.
I have no idea where this myth that DDG is bad with the ball at his feet stems from but it's nonsense. He has a solid technique, is a precise passer and comfortably above average in this area for goalkeepers.
As for the topic, it's not a priority at all. He's been a top-3 goalkeeper in the league this season.
The fact that the Spanish coach is a buffoon who'd rather pick the incredible average Raya is not an argument for anything.
As for the topic, it's not a priority at all. He's been a top-3 goalkeeper in the league this season.
The fact that the Spanish coach is a buffoon who'd rather pick the incredible average Raya is not an argument for anything.
Top priority… behind new midfielders, new wing, new fullbacks, new centerbacks, new striker.
Starting where, though? Not at United. Henderson was afforded a great opportunity to prove himself, and while he did okay, he showed he’s not as good as DeGea.
DeGea, Maguire, WB, Dalot, Shaw need to leave. DeGea mostly because he’s on too much $$. Just let his contract run down…
Hardly a priority at this stage. Far bigger holes in the squad that needs to be addressed first.
There are so many areas that require attention, that as much as DeGea hurts us, it's not priority. Having said that, no matter ho well we do with recruitment in other areas, we're not becoming a functional team with DeGea in goal.
Definitely one of priorities.
Just do not offer him a new contract and let him leave in 2023.
Just do not offer him a new contract and let him leave in 2023.
It’s been a priority for years, it’s just further down the priority list now we don’t have a good player in any position.
If we don’t find ourselves a quality keeper now, we’ll end up paying daft money for someone like Kepa in a few years.
If we don’t find ourselves a quality keeper now, we’ll end up paying daft money for someone like Kepa in a few years.
Not worth thinking about at the moment.
At £375,000 per week he’ll be going nowhere until 2023.
At £375,000 per week he’ll be going nowhere until 2023.
De Gea is the best shot stopper in the world. However, it simply isn't enough. If you want to be a top team these days, you need to play with a high line, press high and be very good in and out of possession. In order to achive this, you need a goalkeeper who is proactive and dominant off his line, whilst being good on the ball. Truly the eleventh man, rather than 10 outfield players and a keeper. De Gea is far too passive and definitely a problem.
Despite all of this, there are areas where we simply don't have any options. For example, all of our wide players are better on the left. Sancho is perfectly capable on the right, but I'd rather he features in his optimum position on the left. Elanga can do a job on the right, but is better on the left. He's also a kid and shouldn't be playing as often as he is. Rashford is abysmal wherever he plays these days and Greenwood is out of the picture. I would have preferred to see him used as a centre forward regardless.
Other than Matic, we don't have a defensive midfielder. Up top we have a declining Ronaldo and a half-arsed Cavani, who is leaving in the summer. The other irritating thing is just when you are led to believe that a certain position has been filled for the foreseeable future, individual performances decline massively. I'm thinking of Shaw, Maguire and Wan-Bissaka. You can argue that some, or all of those players were never good enough to begin with, but I think that Maguire and to a lesser extent Wan-Bissaka, were reasonably competent up until this season. Shaw was playing at a world class level last season. These guys were intented to be mainstays in our side, but in two of those cases they have lost out to players who aren't good enough themselves, in Telles and Dalot.
It will be interesting to see where the new manager chooses to prioritise. Obviously he will assess our current options, but I suppose it also partly comes down to his own stylistic preferences and how integral a specific set of attributes are to the playing style/philosophy he would like to implement.
Despite all of this, there are areas where we simply don't have any options. For example, all of our wide players are better on the left. Sancho is perfectly capable on the right, but I'd rather he features in his optimum position on the left. Elanga can do a job on the right, but is better on the left. He's also a kid and shouldn't be playing as often as he is. Rashford is abysmal wherever he plays these days and Greenwood is out of the picture. I would have preferred to see him used as a centre forward regardless.
Other than Matic, we don't have a defensive midfielder. Up top we have a declining Ronaldo and a half-arsed Cavani, who is leaving in the summer. The other irritating thing is just when you are led to believe that a certain position has been filled for the foreseeable future, individual performances decline massively. I'm thinking of Shaw, Maguire and Wan-Bissaka. You can argue that some, or all of those players were never good enough to begin with, but I think that Maguire and to a lesser extent Wan-Bissaka, were reasonably competent up until this season. Shaw was playing at a world class level last season. These guys were intented to be mainstays in our side, but in two of those cases they have lost out to players who aren't good enough themselves, in Telles and Dalot.
It will be interesting to see where the new manager chooses to prioritise. Obviously he will assess our current options, but I suppose it also partly comes down to his own stylistic preferences and how integral a specific set of attributes are to the playing style/philosophy he would like to implement.
Probably not considered a priority ahead of other positions to be filled, but will need upgrading soon.
We’ll need a keeper that commands his area more which DDG doesn’t do well if at all for some strange reason?
He’s been a good shot stopper but thinking back to the instances when we’ve needed DDG to step up ie- penalty shoot outs, which I consider him to be poor as well as one on one’s with strikers and getting into all sorts of scrapes when the ball is played back to him.
We’ll need a keeper that commands his area more which DDG doesn’t do well if at all for some strange reason?
He’s been a good shot stopper but thinking back to the instances when we’ve needed DDG to step up ie- penalty shoot outs, which I consider him to be poor as well as one on one’s with strikers and getting into all sorts of scrapes when the ball is played back to him.
I'd consider dm and full backs a bigger priority. A striker when Ronaldo moves on too. I'd be looking for a goalkeeper next.
Even if were saying DDG is good enough, it wont last much longer. Age is creeping up.
Even if were saying DDG is good enough, it wont last much longer. Age is creeping up.
Links to Bounou from Sevilla today. He’s 30 years old and has been one of the two best keepers in La Liga this season along with Courtois. The only way I could see this happening is with a swap deal for DDG (plus us heavily subsidising the wage difference) but that’s very unlikely. Interesting link though; I do wonder if it’s something the club have put out there to subtly let other clubs know that DDG might be available.
Huge - should have signed Onana . Available on a free and has played under ETH. I don't know why we aren't thinking ahead. I mean, this is why we need a structure to identify the needs.
Those who say we don't need a GK, the very first change Pep did was to change the GK at City. Now that ETH is close to Pep as a coach , we would really struggle in build up.
Those who say we don't need a GK, the very first change Pep did was to change the GK at City. Now that ETH is close to Pep as a coach , we would really struggle in build up.
I love DeGea been a great keeper for us, but he has major flaws in his game which reflexes and athleticism covered up and those same attributes are slowly deteriorating, so it wouldn’t be smart to extend on his 18 month contract and we probably should be looking at alternatives.
Near the top of list. Make that change.
Really low.
De Gea's worst usually shows up when he's not exposed to attacks enough and needs to keep his concentration for the few opposing shots that will come his way.
De Gea's best usually shows up when our defense is falling apart and he has to bail them out with his continuous shot stopping.
We're very much in the second situation right now. Starting attacks from the back, being great with the ball at his feet, sweeping consistently, penalty-saver, these are all luxuries when compared to just how base our requirements are from a goalkeeper right now. And there are few better than De Gea at answering the 'please don't let it into the net' prayer.
De Gea's worst usually shows up when he's not exposed to attacks enough and needs to keep his concentration for the few opposing shots that will come his way.
De Gea's best usually shows up when our defense is falling apart and he has to bail them out with his continuous shot stopping.
We're very much in the second situation right now. Starting attacks from the back, being great with the ball at his feet, sweeping consistently, penalty-saver, these are all luxuries when compared to just how base our requirements are from a goalkeeper right now. And there are few better than De Gea at answering the 'please don't let it into the net' prayer.
He is the player I'd change first.
It might not be what we need, but it will benefit the whole squad to have a proactive goalkeeper than a reactive one.
It might not be what we need, but it will benefit the whole squad to have a proactive goalkeeper than a reactive one.
DM
ST
RB
CM/RW/CB
GK/LB
It is really difficult to decide on priorities.
We basically need to replace most of the team.
Only Varane, Sancho, and potentialy Bruno have a place in starting 11.
ST
RB
CM/RW/CB
GK/LB
It is really difficult to decide on priorities.
We basically need to replace most of the team.Only Varane, Sancho, and potentialy Bruno have a place in starting 11.
I basically agree with this. Sort everything in front of him and he’s not nearly as much of an issue. We don’t play a style of football that relies heavily on a ball playing keeper. Arguably, we’re not even close. Sure, we might end up at a point where he’s completely holding us back but right now that’s not particularly the case and I think his flaws are overblown (apart from staying rooted to his line which drives me mental - it’ll be my enduring image of him after he leaves: the overhit through hall between centre half and full back, the centre half begging him to come get it while trying to shield the ball which is by now barely moving).
With that said, there’s no reason to give him a new contract. He’s way overpriced by now and there’s no market for him with a fee attached and we can run his deal down and see where we are in 12 months.
He kept de gea out until covid hit him...
How comes the moment you mention Hendersons name you get attacked by posters who are so critical of him? Its crazy and something i've never seen before.
It's not ideal that De Gea only does a small number of the tasks that a top goalkeeper is supposed to do but it's only because his wages are so absurdly high that replacing him would be anything close to a priority given the overall state of the squad.
There are plenty of players in this squad who are more disposable considering their contributions and several positions that require more immediate improvement. I just hope that we don't give him a big new contract.
There are plenty of players in this squad who are more disposable considering their contributions and several positions that require more immediate improvement. I just hope that we don't give him a big new contract.
But he hasn’t played meaningfully since. If he pulled up trees he’d have been straight back in when he recovered but he didn’t and he wasn’t and frankly we haven’t missed him. Sell him this summer, get rid of his moaning in the press and Tom Heaton will be a perfectly adequate back up.
Henderson proved beyond doubt last season he wasn't up to it.
He lacks any presence in goals and is simply an inferior but louder version of what we already have.
At least you can expect DDG to excel in the shot stopping area - Henderson went missing in the bigger games he played for us. His performance in the 4-2 loss at home to Liverpool was shocking.
He blundered for one of their goals handing them an easy tap in and he seemed to shrink when glued on his line when Salah was clean through hoping he would hit it low and straight at him, he couldn't have done more to make it easy for him to score save moving off the pitch altogether.
He is a number two for us at best - probably around the same level as Ben Foster before him.
He actually proved that even an average keeper with better all round abilities is better for the team as a whole than DDG.
He really didnt. He didnt even command his box like people kept saying he would be so much better at and his shop stopping is below average. He is a much worse keeper than DDG.
We need to upgrade Dave but we have much bigger issues currently. And Henderson is not the upgrade we need.
He actually proved that this fan base will cream it’s pants over a new player in the XI and swear they are the best thing ever (especially if said player is “one of our own”) even if they are not all that great.
You ever watched Liverpool without allison in nets? They look really shakey at the back they look vulnerable and thats even with V.V.D playing. Remember last season when Aston villa tore them apart, guess who was missing that night? Hint it wasn't V.V.D.
In the nearly ten years he has been here we have never looked good defensivley we have always had a weakness there, the defenders have all changed, the midfielders infront have all changed. There is a common denominator. Even behind vidic and ferdinand De gea looked shakey and we conceded more chances then when van der sar was in nets. At that point it was put down to DDG inexperience, but now its quite clear he's actually not that good.
The lowest priority for the club imo.
Literally every performance metric improved with Henderson in goal as opposed to De Gea. As soon as De Gea returned to the team, so did the defensive chaos (De Gea's supposed MOTM performance against Roma anyone for example).
We kept more clean sheets with Henderson in goal than De Gea in 12 fewer games. Everyone remembers Henderson's game against Liverpool but ignores the fact that De Gea's performance in this seasons game against Liverpool was just as bad, if not worse.
I cannot honestly believe we have people supposedly watching us week in week out who do not see the issues De Gea brings to the team. We concede so many goals due to his ridiculous inability to leave his line in any scenario, be it to collect a ball coming into the box, to deal with crosses or to meet an attacker through on goal, he costs us all the time.