Why the hell cant you understand that you cant compare a 20 year old Ronaldo to a 27 year old Beckham? FFS, where was Beckham with 20 years?devilish said:
devilish said:
We haven't got 11 boy scouts - that's the drama queen in you again. There are a number of leaders in the team, such as Neville, Rio, Heinze, Smith, Rooney and van Nistelrooy. The 99 team had no more leaders; Schmeichel, Stam, Neville and Keano.
Responsible for what mess? Again, you are being a mongish drama queen. We are second in the league for feck sake!
An Extremely Boring Man said:
So youre saying that Neville, the lad who doesnt know how to talk in English, Rooney and Van Nistelrooy are as good as leaders as Schmeichel, Irwin, Keano, Stam, Beckham, Neville etc?
Dream on.
Michel04 said:
Beckham in 1999 was 24 yrs old and not 27.
devilish said:
What did you think about Beckham when he was Ronaldo's age?
It's impossible to "give 101% to the cause". Mongish thing to say.
The treble team would not have lost to Benfica, you are right. What's your point?
devilish said:
You really are a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
An Extremely Boring Man said:
my point is this
a) we need to bring two quality central midfielders (on this we all agree on!)
b) we need to get rid of the dead wood (Fortune, Miller etc)
c) We need to change the mentality set in our team. While the treble winning team played on each other strengths and gave their best for the good of the team, this team lack of teamwork, attitude and quality.
devilish said:
And Ronaldo is 20
4 years is a huge difference in world football, especially at that young agedevilish said:
devilish said:
Fortune and Miller hasn't feaured at all this season, so that's another mongish point.
You know feck all about the mentality of the team.
What did you think of Beckham when he was 20?
Michel04 said:
they are and i give you credit to that. On the other hand Ronaldo started playing first team football ,at top level, week in week out much before Beckham so he should have gained by now the experience that Beckham had at 23 - 24.
On the other hand I dont see Ronaldo heading towards the right direction. He had become more egoistic with the ball and less hardworking. That is my opinion.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
you avoided the third point.
devilish said:
Drama queen
devilish said:
Avoided the point the point that everyone agrees on, you mean? Thick cnut!
So you do believe that we need a change of mentality? Because that is my third point.
devilish said:
Beckham came into a team that didn't struggle. Ronaldo have been playing in a team that has been on the knife edge for two and a half seasons.
Massive difference.
But, you keep being a mongish drama queen. It suits you.
Let's wait and see what a player Ronaldo is at 24. Just to have more games and experience wont make you automatically a better player, what makes you better is developement and training over a longer period. And that a player at only 20 already plays in the first team at United speaks for itself.devilish said:
Ronaldo is hard working, tracks back etc. He's probably out of form, but it's not that he's heading in the wrong direction or that he's useless
Good point.An Extremely Boring Man said:
People nowadays expect from players like Rooney and Ronaldo to do miracles in every game, to win us the game singlehandedly, which is just not possible
devilish said:
You are going on about things you have no clue about. How on earth can a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime sitting in Malta comment on the mentality of a group 2000 miles away, which you have no insight to whatsoever?
It's excuses Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime like you use when a team struggle. "The are not working hard enough" "They are not putting the work in" "Their PRIORITIES are wrong"
Devilish, you are a retard. Proven again and again for years now on this forum that you have no idea what you are on about. I'd slit my wrists if I was you.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Beckham came in a team which had just been dismantled by 3 of its finest players (Hughes, Kanchelskis and Ince). Its like taking Ruud, Rooney and Rio out of this team. To add more insult to injury at the end of 97 season the soul and heart of the team (Cantona) left too. So it was hard for a youngster to play at that time too.
The difference between that team and this team was
a) they were better leaders then then now. Schmeichel, Irwin, Keane, Teddy, Gaz, Stam are better leaders then Rooney, Heinze, Rio etc
b) their no1 priority was the success of the team. For example I cant imagine Peter Schmeichel forgetting to take a dope test or Stam getting caught red handed with a bunch of prostitutes.
An Extremely Boring Man said:You are going on about things you have no clue about. How on earth can a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime sitting in Malta comment on the mentality of a group 2000 miles away, which you have no insight to whatsoever?
It's excuses Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime like you use when a team struggle. "The are not working hard enough" "They are not putting the work in" "Their PRIORITIES are wrong"
Devilish, you are a retard. Proven again and again for years now on this forum that you have no idea what you are on about. I'd slit my wrists if I was you.
devilish said:
Cantona left after the 1997 season, you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Players will always come and go, but the core of the team was still there after Hughes, Kanchelskis and Ince left, and Beckham had players he had grown up with together with him in the team. I ask again; what did you think of Beckham at the age of 20?
You are a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. No one here turn against players quicker than you. I am sure if I look back, you have praised Ronaldo more than anyone here, but as soon as a player hits a difficult period, you turn against them. Proper "supporter" you are...
How can you define who is the better leader? Again, you are talking rubbish and about things you have no insight to. Why was Sheringham a better leader than Rooney?
Players make mistakes. Can you imagine Cantona being banned for 6 months? Can you imagine Schmeichel being accused for racism? Can you imagine Stam failing drug tests?
Who cares whether a player shags prostitutes? Men have shagged prostitutes for thousands of years. Does that make them worse at their jobs?
You prove yourself to be a thick idiot everytime you log-on to the Caf . Why do you do it to yourself?
An Extremely Boring Man said:
It was a Spelling mistake.
FFS Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes made part of that core. Everyone thought that we were doomed but luckily we had enough leaders to take this young team in hand and lead it well. Something that we dont have now!
I do praise Ronaldo. Talent wise he is a fantastic player. But he is not developing his talent and there is no one (in the team) who is helping him out. Cant say the same about Gaz, Becks, Scholes etc who had players like Cantona, Schmeichel, Stam acting as their mentors.
He was older, more experienced, a better communicator and had been the heart and soul for Spurs for years.
Oh comeon. Cantona did mistakes usually done by passionate players.If a player Forget to take a dope test or ends up on the headlines because he was caught in the early hours of the night with prositutes is not proffesional at all, and show what your priorities are.
devilish said:
No, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime like you thought we were doomed. Drama queens.
We do have leaders now, just like we had then. The fact that you fail to see this, just proves what a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime you are.
Stam didn't act as anyone's mentor. Players like Scholes, Neville and Beckham were already established players when he came to United. So, you are wrong again. Of course players like Neville, Ruud and Rio are helping the youngsters out.
Being older doesn't make you a leader. Nor does having experience make you a leader. Sheringham was not really a leader, never has been, never will be.
Jumping into the crowd kicking out on a fan is what pasionate players USUALLY do? What fecking world do you live in? How many other passiote players have done that?
Does shagging a prostitue make you less professional than failing a drugs test?
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Merry Christmas btw!
devilish said:
Merry Christmas btw!
Feck off with your greetings, you clueless Malteser Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime!
Woo, Merry Christmas!
An Extremely Boring Man said:
you take the forum too seriously.
Comeon Boring relax a bit.
I mean you will soon become a father, its about time you mellow a bit.
devilish said:
Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Oh comeon Boring give us a smile.
Spastic.
Just reading this thread has made me angry, devlish you really do like the 'sound of your own voice', (text). I suggest you stop talking shite and making yourself look an even bigger retard than you've done over the last 3 pages.
Going out of Europe has been a huge disappointment. However the group we had wasnt as easy as people think, it certainly wasnt as easy as Arsenals group. Villareal are 3rd in Spain and tough oppostion. We deserved to win at OT and perhaps in Spain as well, but Rooneys sending off with 30 minutes to go was a factor. Scholes harsh sending off at home to Lille(look at what that Greek fecker who used to play for Arsenal Tavlaridis was doing) in a game we deserved to win. Okay Lille away(who remind me a bit of Greece) and Benfica away but the other 4 games weshould perhaps have had 4 wins. And Liverpool go on about them having a tough when they had a team who are bottom of the league in Spain, Anderlecht who are weaker than nay of the teams in our group and Chelsea werent taking things very seriously.
As for the league we should have won at home to Blackburn(we had loads of chances) and Everton, possibly Spurs and Man City as well. Overall with the exception of the Boro away game weve done well. Its certainly harder to win the league now. We could end the season with about 85-90 points and finish second which would have been enough to win the league the vast majority of the time.
As for the league we should have won at home to Blackburn(we had loads of chances) and Everton, possibly Spurs and Man City as well. Overall with the exception of the Boro away game weve done well. Its certainly harder to win the league now. We could end the season with about 85-90 points and finish second which would have been enough to win the league the vast majority of the time.
It was an easy group
For once I have to agree with Davo.
If we cant beat Villareal, Lille and Benfica then we shouldnt be in the CL.
If we cant beat Villareal, Lille and Benfica then we shouldnt be in the CL.
thoward said:
Lets face it for the last few seasons we've seriously underperformed in Europe and domestically the bar has been raised in terms of consistency by Chelsea and we have been found wanting in that regard. There should be no excuses.
Julian Denny said:
We have underperformed. However last season we did well in the group and lost 2-0 to a side who bar six minutes completely to a side who completely dominated the final bar 6 minutes and should have hammered Liverpool. The year before we were robbed by a linesmans flag to the eventual winners who won convincingly in the end.
You're getting worse every year
Last year we had 31 points after 17 matches
This year we have 37
This year we have 37
In Europe
Some of the excuses are hilarious
Some of the excuses are hilarious