An Extremely Boring Man said:
We were in decline! Just check what we have won in the period between 2001 and 2006 and compare it to what we had won between 1995 - 2000. Pls consider what we have spent between 2001 and 2006 and between 1995 - 2000.
We were in decline! Just check what we have won in the period between 2001 and 2006 and compare it to what we had won between 1995 - 2000. Pls consider what we have spent between 2001 and 2006 and between 1995 - 2000.
And we are also out of the CL after losing out against the mighty Valladolid, Lille and Benfica.
11 ahead of Arsenal.
You cant compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Arsenal had always always worked with budgets which are inferior to ours + they had sold Viera.
6 behind Chelsea.
Actually its 9 points and not 6
Clearly a crisis.
Yepp it is
Sack everyone
Its not the case but we need to change our mentality if we want to seriously compete with Chelsea
An Extremely Boring Man said:
He's just climbing on the media driven anti United bandwagon is he ?
devilish said:
You weren't talking about 2001 and 2006, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. You were talking about when Abramovich took over at Chelsea, i.e. summer 2003, when we had just won our 3rd title in 4 years. As I said, I'd take that kind of "decline" any time.
devilish said:
Drama queen
I bet you sit when you have a leak
Julian Denny said:
I think Schmeichel talks alot of rubbish, irrelevant of what he said about United.
We've got 21 points out of last 21
And just lost to Sao Paolo.
Both Liverpool and United are in massive crisis.
Both Liverpool and United are in massive crisis.
Davo said:
You're shite
and we're still in the Champions League
Davo said:
You're shite
and we're the reigning Champions of Europe
Davo said:
You're shite
and no one thinks our manager is past it
Davo said:
You're shite
But you're doing ok as well...
Hehehe
Hehehe
Davo said:
You're shite
devilish said:
fecking idiot.
Spoony said:
Im limiting myself in saying the truth.
devilish said:
No, you're a fecking idiot.
devilish said:
Its silly to expect United to win a CL and four out of five premiership trophies once in every five years. As we went through a transitional phase there were some glitches but we are gradually improving not in decline.
Spoony said:
vijay said:
I only limited myself in showing that we are in decline, thats all.
And this "transitional phase" excuse is wearing thin expecially when you see players like Smith, Fletcher, Howard etc taking over Keano, Giggs and Schmeichel (VDS is just a stop gap) etc. Its evident that the level is going down and not up.
devilish said:
Which one out of Smith, Fletcher and Howard have replaced Giggs?
Ive highlighted certian points to make it easier for you to understand.
Comeon thank me.
Comeon thank me.
devilish said:
All you do is repeating things you have said over and over again
You moaning Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
devilish said:
Whats the point in singling out Smith, Fletcher and Howard to rate the entire team? Nobody knows where they would stand in the next couple of seasons and how much they can improve. We certainly have better players to build the team around.
Man Utd 1 - 1 Man City 67,839
Wed. 14 Final Villarreal 0 - 0 Man Utd
Sun. 18 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Man Utd
Sat. 24 Final Man Utd 1 - 2 Blackburn
Tue. 27 Final Man Utd 2 - 1 Benfica
Sat. 1 Final Fulham 2 - 3 Man Utd
Sat. 15 Final Sunderland 1 - 3 Man Utd
Tue. 18 Final Man Utd 0 - 0 Lille
Sat. 22 Final Man Utd 1 - 1 Tottenham
Wed. 26 Final Man Utd 4 - 1 Barnet
Sat. 29 Final Middlesbrough 4 - 1 Man Utd
Wed. 2 Final Lille 1 - 0 Man Utd
everyone was so very happy during this run! 9 from 21 and 1 -1-1 in CL vs sides that have no business being close to UNITED. that wasn't very long ago. funny game. ups and downs - which is the real side?
Wed. 14 Final Villarreal 0 - 0 Man Utd
Sun. 18 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Man Utd
Sat. 24 Final Man Utd 1 - 2 Blackburn
Tue. 27 Final Man Utd 2 - 1 Benfica
Sat. 1 Final Fulham 2 - 3 Man Utd
Sat. 15 Final Sunderland 1 - 3 Man Utd
Tue. 18 Final Man Utd 0 - 0 Lille
Sat. 22 Final Man Utd 1 - 1 Tottenham
Wed. 26 Final Man Utd 4 - 1 Barnet
Sat. 29 Final Middlesbrough 4 - 1 Man Utd
Wed. 2 Final Lille 1 - 0 Man Utd
everyone was so very happy during this run! 9 from 21 and 1 -1-1 in CL vs sides that have no business being close to UNITED. that wasn't very long ago. funny game. ups and downs - which is the real side?
vijay said:
Ok then vijar
Do you think that Howard will ever reach Schmeichel's level (Im not considering VDS because he is not the future of this team)? Do you think that Mickey, Wes or Rio will ever reach Stam and Johnsen consistency? Do you think that Heinze is better then Irwin? Do you think that Ronaldo or Park are better or will ever reach Beckham or Giggsie's level? Will Fletcher and Smith be ever as good as a young Scholes and Keane? The only positions we are currently better in is the forward line, apart from that this team is the shadow of the treble winning team and doesnt have the potential to ever reach that level. So in few words, while Chelsea had risen football bar we ended up lowering our standards.
As proved, Quality wise, this team is so inferior to the treble winning team. But what worries me most is the lack of the fighting spirit and teamwork that the treble winning team used to have. Schmeichel is right, our players priorities arent right and unless this mentality is changed then we are destined to be just second best.
devilish said:
Howard is the second choice goalie - he was bought in as potential, and will never regain the number one spot on regular basis.
Rio and Wes are easily good enough to match Stam and Johnsen.
Ronaldo is a much more talented player than Beckham, so have every chance of not only matching him, but to go on and become better than him.
And as you say, our attackers are better than in the years gone by.
One or two midfielders bought, and we can go on become a great team. But, even then, I am sure you will find faults and complain about things, like the utter Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime you are.
devilish said:
What do you know about the United players' priorities and mentality?
Wes suffer from lapses of concentration, a problem which Ronnie and Stam never had
Ronaldo is more technically gifted that Becks, but Becks was more effective. His crossing, his passing and his work rate were much more effective then the skills of an egoistic chap who think that dribbling past 3 players to then fall in the box will do the team any good.
And its evident what our players priority is. Just watch them play. Were is the fighting spirit and teamwork of old?
Ronaldo is more technically gifted that Becks, but Becks was more effective. His crossing, his passing and his work rate were much more effective then the skills of an egoistic chap who think that dribbling past 3 players to then fall in the box will do the team any good.
And its evident what our players priority is. Just watch them play. Were is the fighting spirit and teamwork of old?
devilish said:
What are these "lapses of concentration" that Brown suffers from?
Ronaldo is 20 - when Beckham was 20, you had never heard of Manchester United, nevermind David Beckham.
If it is so "evident what our players priority is", why can't you enlighten us? What a mongish thing to say...
An Extremely Boring Man said:
The one that makes him put the ball in our own net or get bonkers every now and then. You know, the Mickey/Wes syndrome
Beckham was a youth at the biggest club in England. Its easier to become a first teamer in some team in Lisbon then with Manchester United.
And as I said before just watch them play. the fighting and team spirit is not what it used to be.
devilish said:
When was the last time Wes put the ball in his own net or "went bonkers" {sic}?
So Beckham was a better player than Ronaldo because he came from Essex (which is not local to Manchester, for your information), and not from Madeira...Yeah, good point, well presented...Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime!
So what are the players' priorities???
the average age in the 99 team was higher than it is now, which makes a big difference which he fails to see. It's a huge difference to have players like Schmeichel, Irwin, Stam, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham in their prime than having young and promising players such Ronaldo or Rooney. Rio and Wes are as good as Stam and Johnson, and Heinze is quality, too (and all are younger than our defenders in 99!) You cant compare a 20 year old Ronaldo to a 26 year old Beckham or Rooney. As you said, 1 or 2 quality signings for our midfield, and we have an excellent team againAn Extremely Boring Man said:
Michel04 said:
That is no good for a drama queen like Devilish though
No one is claiming we are as good as in 99. That is obvious that we are not. But there is an obsession with comparing things with that team, and when they realise today's team come up short, they think the world is about to fall apart.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Well whenever we had to rely on him week in week out and there was no Rio covering his arse. I know its difficult to assess wes I mean, he is always injured but there were times when he was considered as a first teamer.
And youre twisting my words, I said that it was more difficult for a youth to make it at OT then at Sporting, thats all. Beckham is better then Ronnie because he is more effective. Thats all.
Certianly its not acting as a team and give their 101% to our cause. Just look at them playing Lille or Benfica, we were like a bunch of idiots running after the ball. The treble team wouldnt have been humilated in that way thats for sure.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
we also lack of leaders in the team, people with Keano's attitude. We wont win anything with 11 boy scouts.
I do believe in what you say (kick Fletcher and Smith out of central midfield and bring in two good midfielders) on the other hand
a) you must check who was responsable of this mess (because our central midfield is a mess) expecially when considering that the club had spend so much money in various players to build a competitive side
b) you need to bring in more leaders.
And there will probably never be a team like we had in 99. That was really the perfect team. Best goalkeeper, solid defense, extraordinary and just amazing midfield with a superb strike force. Everyone knows that you cant keep that standard or team forever, teams will go through bad periods after some fantastic years, it's what always happened in football in the past, Barca, Madrid, Liverpool, United, Leeds, Milan, Juve. But good teams are able to form another great team after a bad period (like Barca) and thats exactly what Fergie's doing and i'm sure he will do well. To expect a team to dominate for 20 years is just not possible, wish thinking or Computer game realityAn Extremely Boring Man said: