How important is the Europa League to the club's future?

We looked really leggy in added time yesterday and most of the same players will have to play. Gonna be tough.
 
As absurd as it sounds, I think it is better to avoid European competitions in the next (or maybe 2) season. If we make it to Europe, we will just repeat the cycle from past seasons... We need a fresh start to build a completely new squad. So, it makes sense to have a small squad and focus primarily on PL, using one of the two domestic cups to introduce some of the youngsters.
 
gregor said:
As absurd as it sounds, I think it is better to avoid European competitions in the next (or maybe 2) season. If we make it to Europe, we will just repeat the cycle from past seasons... We need a fresh start to build a completely new squad. So, it makes sense to have a small squad and focus primarily on PL, using one of the two domestic cups to introduce some of the youngsters.
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So the club should just continue to slide into irrelevancy and lose more money and sponsorships?
 
The Mitcher said:
So the club should just continue to slide into irrelevancy and lose more money and sponsorships?
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What is the difference between losing money by not qualifying for Europe and losing money by giving stupid contrats to average players and overpaying for the transfers?
 
Its unbelievably important for us to win it. We need the CL money desperately to have any chance next season

But we won't. I cant see us getting past Sociedad.

Its going to be dire times in the years ahead. The level of debt they are in is unsustainable. And with the interest going up in 2027 its only going to get worse.
 
gregor said:
What is the difference between losing money by not qualifying for Europe and losing money by giving stupid contrats to average players and overpaying for the transfers?
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The difference is not qualifying for europe reduces the amount of genuinely good players who will come to th club, and the increased revenue can help with PSR and FFP, the debt etc. You are advocating for the suicide of the club.
 
It's irrelevant because we aren't going to win it.

Being out of Europe next year at least means we should be able to manage our threadbare injury-prone squad more easily because I don't see us having a big rehaul
 
The Mitcher said:
The difference is not qualifying for europe reduces the amount of genuinely good players who will come to th club, and the increased revenue can help with PSR and FFP, the debt etc. You are advocating for the suicide of the club.
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Liverpool failed to qualify for Europe for 4 seasons in a row between 2010 and 2013, and they look very much alive at the moment.
Also, the past decade has taught us that more money doesn't also mean more success. In United's case, it is rather the opposite.
 
I find it rather amusing that people actually think we have a chance at the Europa when the 11 usual clowns we have in a United shirt often struggle to produce one decent performance for the duration of 90 mins.
 
Jacob said:
Our run of fixtures is not kind. March and April will be brutal.
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That's why I wouldn't be too concerned with the league matches- we're not going to get relegated now and in any league week with a European match, the league has to be less of a priority.
 
EireRed_GS said:
Its unbelievably important for us to win it. We need the CL money desperately to have any chance next season

But we won't. I cant see us getting past Sociedad.

Its going to be dire times in the years ahead. The level of debt they are in is unsustainable. And with the interest going up in 2027 its only going to get worse.
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Unfortunately, I agree with every line of this.
 
Ditto what's been said already - Thursday is absolutely huge for the future of this club - likewise the 6 games that may possibly come afterwards too.

The issue is not the quality of the players, but whether the players actually want to put the effort it to win this damn thing. We do have the quality to win it, there isnt any doubt about that, but they just aren't showing it at the moment.

Id go as far as saying the next 3 months are as big as any in United's recent history for the future of this football club.
 
gregor said:
Liverpool failed to qualify for Europe for 4 seasons in a row between 2010 and 2013, and they look very much alive at the moment.
Also, the past decade has taught us that more money doesn't also mean more success. In United's case, it is rather the opposite.
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There are a few problems with your theory:
- Liverpool were a laughing stock until 2017-2018. Failing to qualify for the Europe 4 years ago is unlikely to have any bearing on their successes from 2018.
- The 2010-2013 didnt help Liverpool to build a better squad. Players bought during those years played no role in any of the Liverpool winning sides. Some left even before Klopp came. Others were all sold under Klopp.
 
Roger Myerson said:
There are a few problems with your theory:
- Liverpool were a laughing stock until 2017-2018. Failing to qualify for the Europe 4 years ago is unlikely to have any bearing on their successes from 2018.
- The 2010-2013 didnt help Liverpool to build a better squad. Players bought during those years played no role in any of the Liverpool winning sides. Some left even before Klopp came. Others were all sold under Klopp.
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It think they learned a lot from the seasons when they were struggling. They went from saying "next year is our year" to the realization that they need to do some more drastic changes in the club. I would say it played an important role in their success.
Reading coments here I get a fealing that people think: ok we need CL money to sign a few expensive players and we will be great again... But this is not the case, it will be a long process before this club is back to the ways it was 12+ years ago. If we miss out on Europe in the next two seasons it will not be the end of the world. But we need to use this time to carefully rebuild the squad. We need to bring in the right players for the right money. We need to build a team, not a bunch of good individuals, which is what the club has done in the past.

And considering current form and performances there is not much chance they actually win the Europa League.
 
If we don't qualify for Europe and finish in the bottom half of the premier league it will wipe 100m off revenue meaning we will ultimately have to sell Garnacho or Mainoo for 50m to balance the books. The club have already leaked this anyway to pave the way for such a scenario.
 
On current turgid form we will be out in the next round. The club desperately need the money from European football. Its a bleak prospect without it.
 
Ruben Amorim: “We lost last week in the FA Cup, so people consider the Europa League as the only competition we can win, there is also the link between winning the Europa League and the Champions League, but to tell you the truth, I think we have more important things to think about.“I know it's strange to say this, but it's something we're trying to build here that will be more important than winning a cup right now. I know we have the responsibility to fight for every trophy, but right now we're trying to build something that will last longer than any trophy this season.”
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He gets it.
 
gregor said:
He gets it.
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He doesn't get anything other than he knows he can't do any better. Can you explain what these bigger things are than a cup that can get us champions league football if we win? Said champions league football means more revenue, access to better players, and a bigger transfer budget. At the moment nothing looks like anything is being built towards, and if he is building towards something why would he dismiss something that could be the biggest boon to that? Be honest, he's lowering expectations because he expects a defeat.
 
gregor said:
Ruben Amorim: “We lost last week in the FA Cup, so people consider the Europa League as the only competition we can win, there is also the link between winning the Europa League and the Champions League, but to tell you the truth, I think we have more important things to think about.“I know it's strange to say this, but it's something we're trying to build here that will be more important than winning a cup right now. I know we have the responsibility to fight for every trophy, but right now we're trying to build something that will last longer than any trophy this season.”
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gregor said:
He gets it.
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However, he also said "But I understand that winning the Europa League can change everything”, before finishing up with “We are going to do it,” he said at the end, applying a pause before adding: “Or not, we will see.”

Would it be permissible to observe that he often comes across as a tiny bit scatterbox in his comments? He says things, then contradicts or qualifies them, then pivots back to where he started and amplifies that and in the end it's not really very clear what he's saying.

In this case, if we assume that his main message is the one that made you write "he gets it", I don't think his messaging really adds up. Because if it's true as he's said on other occasions that we are facing a long haul back to the top and that we can't buy players without selling, then it obviously matters hugely if we can get into the CL or not. Regardless of how much we care about the EL trophy as such. If that doesn't matter fundamentally to the longer term project, then it can't be true that we can only buy after selling. It doesn't add up.
 
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The Mitcher said:
The difference is not qualifying for europe reduces the amount of genuinely good players who will come to th club, and the increased revenue can help with PSR and FFP, the debt etc. You are advocating for the suicide of the club.
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I’ve been saying the exact same thing.

If we don’t win the Europa League now the re-build will take an extra few years.
 
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