How important is the Europa League to the club's future?

2 man midfield said:
It’ll be more important for the accountants than the players. Even if we got into the CL next season, it’s not like we’d get very far.
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It's 8 guaranteed games, 4 at home, 2 likely against the big guns. If we made the play offs it's 5 home games, and all the match day revenue and TV money that brings in. Plus the base money, TV rights, etc you're looking at about £60m all in for a season, and that's getting knocked out in the play off round.

It's imperative we get into it somehow, not from a football perspective, but from a financial perspective it's huge. I believe if we don't get into Europe then Adidas get a 25% reduction in sponsorship money, so you can add that the £60m we wont get. You're looking at a £70m+ hole compared to if we do get into it.
 
Cannot be understated. Financially, the impact of having CL football next season, Amorim finishing this horror year with a trophy - with a little momentum going into the summer and pre-season. It would make a big difference.

Plus, Rotterdam '91 remains one of my favourite nights and played a significant part in Fergie rebuilding the future. It doesn't always have to be the very top prizes, you want your manager and players getting used to lifting trophies.
 
Big Andy said:
It's 8 guaranteed games, 4 at home, 2 likely against the big guns. If we made the play offs it's 5 home games, and all the match day revenue and TV money that brings in. Plus the base money, TV rights, etc you're looking at about £60m all in for a season, and that's getting knocked out in the play off round.

It's imperative we get into it somehow, not from a football perspective, but from a financial perspective it's huge. I believe if we don't get into Europe then Adidas get a 25% reduction in sponsorship money, so you can add that the £60m we wont get. You're looking at a £70m+ hole compared to if we do get into it.
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I don't think this clause exists anymore. It's a fixed penalty of 10m IIRC
 
Big Andy said:
It's 8 guaranteed games, 4 at home, 2 likely against the big guns. If we made the play offs it's 5 home games, and all the match day revenue and TV money that brings in. Plus the base money, TV rights, etc you're looking at about £60m all in for a season, and that's getting knocked out in the play off round.

It's imperative we get into it somehow, not from a football perspective, but from a financial perspective it's huge. I believe if we don't get into Europe then Adidas get a 25% reduction in sponsorship money, so you can add that the £60m we wont get. You're looking at a £70m+ hole compared to if we do get into it.
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Yeah like I said, it’s important for the money men. Massive even. But I doubt it’ll mean anything for the players come next may, other than maybe that 25% salary bump they’d get.
 
2 man midfield said:
Yeah like I said, it’s important for the money men. Massive even. But I doubt it’ll mean anything for the players come next may, other than maybe that 25% salary bump they’d get.
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You don't think winning a trophy at the end of this awful season, and playing in the champions league will mean anything to the players? Then we're in even worse shape than I thought
 
While I can't see the club winning the EL trophy this season, I wonder that if they did, and thus qualified for the CL next season: Would that raise the player wages across the board again? Reportedly they are earning considerably less if United misses out on CL football. Or would that clause only become inactive again if United qualified regularly via EPL placement?
 
SER19 said:
You don't think winning a trophy at the end of this awful season, and playing in the champions league will mean anything to the players? Then we're in even worse shape than I thought
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Yeah winning a trophy this season would. I just mean that ultimately, next season it probably won’t amount to much, as the OP asked what it would mean to the clubs future.

For me, winning the EL this season would mean everything. I’m just dreading being out of that and the FA cup by march as there’s basically nothing to play for.
 
2 man midfield said:
Yeah winning a trophy this season would. I just mean that ultimately, next season it probably won’t amount to much, as the OP asked what it would mean to the clubs future.

For me, winning the EL this season would mean everything. I’m just dreading being out of that and the FA cup by march as there’s basically nothing to play for.
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Ya that's the nightmare. I don't know though a galvanising win that might mean a stronger summer window plus a season of CL football for a young squad can only be better for the future? Surely
 
G3079 said:
While I can't see the club winning the EL trophy this season, I wonder that if they did, and thus qualified for the CL next season: Would that raise the player wages across the board again? Reportedly they are earning considerably less if United misses out on CL football. Or would that clause only become inactive again if United qualified regularly via EPL placement?
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I don't know the answer but really hope they only see a raise based on league position
 
SER19 said:
To my knowledge a team gets around 15m to start. Round up to 3m for a win and 1 m for a draw, so even a poor group campaign could be worth around another 10 in the new format. There is a further coefficient ranking payment of at least a couple of million. Then there is the TV share among English teams which is worth around 250-300m. Id imagine United could expect at least 20m of that. So even a mediocre campaign could be worth 40-50m, and an unlikely run to the quarters would add another 20m from UEFA alone. We are in no position at all to underestimate the impact CL money could have on the club for coming seasons transfer planning.
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My Villa supporting mate tells me they’ve earned £80 Million so far . Not sure if it’s right or wrong but if it’s true I don’t understand anyone saying a year out of Europe is a good thing.
 
I hate to say it but I really think it will boil down to Onana. If he spills one or two goals against decent opponents we aren’t going anywhere. Need him at his best.
 
Offside said:
Not important. We've got nowhere in the last 10 year regularly qualifying for the CL and spanking tonnes of money. Other clubs who've were out the CL for many years (Liverpool) slowly built a squad that, when they finally qualified, could actually do something in it. Arsenal last season did better than we have in years too. That's what we need to do.
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What on earth are you talking about. So much of this is just flat wrong
 
Camilo said:
We're not winning the Europa, we're shit. Silly dream.
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Pretty much this.

Why do people expect the 15th best team in the PL to win the Europa League? We’re scraping past truly awful teams in that competition. Better teams will punish us.
 
Red00012 said:
My Villa supporting mate tells me they’ve earned £80 Million so far . Not sure if it’s right or wrong but if it’s true I don’t understand anyone saying a year out of Europe is a good thing.
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Yeah estimate 15 for being there, 15m from wins, 3m from draws brings them to 33. Plus 7ish for getting to past 16 that's 40. Plus an estimate of their tv share at 25m or so is 65m I would say at a minimum. Then they've 2 games to come, and im sure being there makes some other money too. So i think 80 probably isn't far off. Weird for anyone to think this won't impact Villas next few years

Of course id neglected to include match days too which I believe is just shy of 4m per home game? A minimum of 4 extra home games for United would mean 16m. So yeah Villa must be on around 80m already.
 
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Camilo said:
We're not winning the Europa, we're shit. Silly dream.
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Mike Smalling said:
Pretty much this.

Why do people expect the 15th best team in the PL to win the Europa League? We’re scraping past truly awful teams in that competition. Better teams will punish us.
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You may be right but regardless of where we're pulled out on Friday, we're on a decent side of the draw and remain unbeaten. We play with a little less tension in Europe too. I agree any solid team should put us out but weve had decent runs in cups in recent years no matter how poor we've looked
 
I could not care less about Europe. We need to learn how to play football first before thinking about Europe.
 
Offside said:
It’s flat right.
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Liverpool literally hired Klopp, and went to the Europa final in his first full season while getting top 4, and then proceeded to get to the UCL final in his first UCL campaign. It wasn't some "slow build" where they prepared for 4 years to have some European success. Arsenal is really the only recent "slow build" team of any big club in recent history, and even then it was littered a lot of spending and tons of clearouts as well.

You have a club that's in dire financial straits that's struggling to even crack the top half of the table with how poor the current squad is, yet you say that winning the Europa league isn't important at all just because we spent money in the past and weren't any good. It's a nonsensical way of looking at things unless you're standard stance is just "feck it all, we are cursed". But in terms of actually needing to progress with our new manager, the money from winning UEL and qualifying for UCL would go a very long way. Regardless of if we do anything in the actual competition, just the monetary benefits would go a huge way towards turning the squad around. Unless you want to keep watching Hojlund toil away up top...
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Liverpool literally hired Klopp, and went to the Europa final in his first full season while getting top 4, and then proceeded to get to the UCL final in his first UCL campaign. It wasn't some "slow build" where they prepared for 4 years to have some European success. Arsenal is really the only recent "slow build" team of any big club in recent history, and even then it was littered a lot of spending and tons of clearouts as well.

You have a club that's in dire financial straits that's struggling to even crack the top half of the table with how poor the current squad is, yet you say that winning the Europa league isn't important at all just because we spent money in the past and weren't any good. It's a nonsensical way of looking at things unless you're standard stance is just "feck it all, we are cursed". But in terms of actually needing to progress with our new manager, the money from winning UEL and qualifying for UCL would go a very long way. Regardless of if we do anything in the actual competition, just the monetary benefits would go a huge way towards turning the squad around. Unless you want to keep watching Hojlund toil away up top...
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That UCL final was 3 years into his reign. 4 years in he won his first trophy.

“The money would go a long way” is just ignoring my point about the money we’ve spent, but I get what you’re saying. I just weirdly believe we’d be better for it in the long run having a tighter budget.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Amorim will be sacked before the final, Ole will be rehired and given another shot at the EL. Onana will miss the decisive penalty and the camera will pan to Sir Jim's box, where looking out onto the pitch will be Moyes with the biggest grin ever seen on his ball sack of a face.
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Excellent.
 
As others have already pointed out, securing a spot in the Champions League next season guarantees significant financial benefits and likely improves our chances of attracting better signings in the summer. In the Premier League, we have no further ambitions since our position isn’t likely to change much.

As for the EL, the bookmakers’ second favorite is Tottenham, then Bilbao, and then Lazio, so one can't really say the competition is overwhelmingly strong. The Europa League must be our top priority for the rest of the season.
 
Missing out on CL football over the last 12 years is always treated as a disaster due to financial loss but it never turns out as bad as we think as we still find money to spend from somewhere which results in us qualifying for CL the following season, never spending two seasons outside the CL as far as I recall.

However, this one feels very different.

- If we don't win Europa, this will be the first time we miss out on CL football two seasons in a row, which is a financial hit we've not taken before.
- For the first time, we're not the 5th/6th/7th best team who just need some slight improvement to get us back in the top 4 mix. We're legitimately a lower half team. Two seasons in a row our performance levels have been that of a lower half side. So we can't rely on just bouncing back into the top 4 next season because we're miles off.
- It's took 12 years of mismanagement, wasted money, ridiculous wages and missing out on CL every other season, but we're now legitimately skint. Loads of high earners and players that we paid big transfer fees for that we can't get rid of. Huge debt. Passing FFP by the skin of our teeth.
- Whilst we've still been able to attract players, with each year that passes where we're shit we genuinely become a less attractive proposition to potential signings. A few years ago players thought our shiteness was just a blip and the club size was enough to return us to glory, but they must now realise we're a terrible side, and good players might genuinely have better offers.


This is why the injuries to Martinez and Amad really hurt. We had our whole season resting on Europa and now I think we have close to zero chance unfortunately.

CL revenue is our only path to having some funds to spend in the summer to get us out of this mess.
 
After watching how close we played Spurs Im going to stay positive. I honestly thonk we have as good as chance as ever. If they were the favorites I like our chances. Hopefully we start scoring some goals. Yes I know but I honestly think we play better in this competition because there’s less pressure.
 
If we miss out on Europe totally and finish around 15th in league.,would it be the push the yanks need to sell up, fingers crossed.
 
Winning the Europa helps us have higher revenue of somewhere between 60-100m in terms of prize money and the CL spot next year. That can fund the signings of Ederson and potentially a Cunha making Amorim’s job a little easier. It will also give confidence to fans, players and owners.

However, we will still be 1bn in debt and Amorims credentials in the PL will still be unproven
 
So it's Real Sociedad. Seems to me we don't do very well against these middling La Liga teams.

That said, should we do the completely unexpected and win this thing, it would be huge towards getting the project moving foward more quickly (in my opinion).
 
Speako said:
Cannot be understated. Financially, the impact of having CL football next season, Amorim finishing this horror year with a trophy - with a little momentum going into the summer and pre-season. It would make a big difference.

Plus, Rotterdam '91 remains one of my favourite nights and played a significant part in Fergie rebuilding the future. It doesn't always have to be the very top prizes, you want your manager and players getting used to lifting trophies.
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Rotterdam is still one of my fondest early memories. Can still remember the itv theme for euro football. Also remember BBCs, the first time I saw Alan Hanson on punditry was for Liverpool away to Genoa I think. (Not sure if same year).

I don’t get what people have against lower European cups. If you aren’t in hunt for league , I love it. I never get excited about top 4, must be an older guy thing.

I’m not excited about “United making more money to bring in transfers” especially if realistically United will not be anywhere remotely in the hunt for the CL. I’d rather win the Europa conference league and be in Europa rather then get 5th and squeeze into the CL cause there’s absolutely nothing to celebrate.

It’s part of the reason the FA cup has been finished so much. Fans don’t realise what they’ve lost with this CL obsession. Last year’s FA cup win was possibly my favourite moment since SAF won his last league. I really don’t get how people can take more enjoyment out of United finishing 4th. It’s like a marvel movie , where each movie is just setting up the next , there’s no payoff.
 
We need the money, but we have no business being in European competitions right now. Moot point after drawing Sociedad, we are toast.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
Rotterdam is still one of my fondest early memories. Can still remember the itv theme for euro football. Also remember BBCs, the first time I saw Alan Hanson on punditry was for Liverpool away to Genoa I think. (Not sure if same year).

I don’t get what people have against lower European cups. If you aren’t in hunt for league , I love it. I never get excited about top 4, must be an older guy thing.

I’m not excited about “United making more money to bring in transfers” especially if realistically United will not be anywhere remotely in the hunt for the CL. I’d rather win the Europa conference league and be in Europa rather then get 5th and squeeze into the CL cause there’s absolutely nothing to celebrate.

It’s part of the reason the FA cup has been finished so much. Fans don’t realise what they’ve lost with this CL obsession. Last year’s FA cup win was possibly my favourite moment since SAF won his last league. I really don’t get how people can take more enjoyment out of United finishing 4th. It’s like a marvel movie , where each movie is just setting up the next , there’s no payoff.
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Same here, it's not limited to United fans though, I never have and never will understand the logic that finishing in a CL place is more important than winning something
 
I'd like to be optimistic and I think if we can find some form and Old Trafford is in good voice for the second leg fixtures then we have a big chance. However, teams like Lazio and Bilbao must be fancying their chances of winning this. The premier league is seen as the most competitive league but when you look at the league positions of the bigger teams, it does look concerning as, apart from Sociedad, they're hardly languishing in midtable like United and Spurs are:

United 15th
Spurs 12th
Lazio 5th
Bilbao 4th
Frankfurt 3rd
Ajax 1st
Fenerbahce 2nd

It's going to be tough to win. Not impossible though.
 
Its not a bad draw and any other year we'd be quite happy. Sociedad are bottom half in la liga, and lost to Plzen, Anderlecht, and drew with the dreadful Nice. We havent drawn Real Madrid. Beyond that its definitely a fantastic quarters draw for us, with sociedad being a bigger hurdle i feel.

All that said, without marked improvement week on week, even if we bundled to the semi, Bilbao would give us the runaround for now.

My optimistic prediction for now would be

Quarter

Spurs v Frankfurt
Glimt v Lazio

Bilbao v Fenerbahce
FCSB v Man United-

Semi

Lazio vs Frankfurt
United vs Bilbao

Final

Lazio vs Bilbao
 
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