How important is the Europa League to the club's future?

If we can win it, which in theory we could then yes it is massive in terms of how far the club can progress in the summer, more money, more draw for players, maybe we get to sign 1 or 2 extra players, maybe our finances are just a lot easier, but it doesn't change the direction of travel just the speed.

It could also be argued that (excluding finances) being out of Europe next season could be hugely beneficial given that even if we manage to sign 4-5 players in the summer, our squad will still be short on numbers and quality, not having the additional games has been shown time and again to be a significant factor in league form.

So getting into Europe again next season gets us money and maybe more/better players but also brings more pressure and fatigue, given how poor we actually are right now getting into Europe puts us ahead of where we can actually compete and could do more harm than good, that said of course I want to win it, and there will definitely be significant gains from it, but it is a double edged sword
 
Zed 101 said:
If we can win it, which in theory we could then yes it is massive in terms of how far the club can progress in the summer, more money, more draw for players, maybe we get to sign 1 or 2 extra players, maybe our finances are just a lot easier, but it doesn't change the direction of travel just the speed.

It could also be argued that (excluding finances) being out of Europe next season could be hugely beneficial given that even if we manage to sign 4-5 players in the summer, our squad will still be short on numbers and quality, not having the additional games has been shown time and again to be a significant factor in league form.

So getting into Europe again next season gets us money and maybe more/better players but also brings more pressure and fatigue, given how poor we actually are right now getting into Europe puts us ahead of where we can actually compete and could do more harm than good, that said of course I want to win it, and there will definitely be significant gains from it, but it is a double edged sword
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I'd agree that if we were in Europe next season it would absolutely need to be the secondary concern and fans would have to accept heavy rotation. You're correct that the squad next season will be thin even with investment, as it will likely be a case of one in for each one that leaves.
 
The way we are playing it would be a small miracle to advance another stage in this competition. To win it, we need to up our game to levels unseen this season. I just don't see it happening, it would be great of course, Amorim will earn some credibility, players will get momentum, belief, we will get some money and play CL next season. It's just an impossible dream unfortunately.
To think a couple of years ago we won it with Mourinho and I wasn't that impressed, how time have changed...
 
Zed 101 said:
If we can win it, which in theory we could then yes it is massive in terms of how far the club can progress in the summer, more money, more draw for players, maybe we get to sign 1 or 2 extra players, maybe our finances are just a lot easier, but it doesn't change the direction of travel just the speed.

It could also be argued that (excluding finances) being out of Europe next season could be hugely beneficial given that even if we manage to sign 4-5 players in the summer, our squad will still be short on numbers and quality, not having the additional games has been shown time and again to be a significant factor in league form.

So getting into Europe again next season gets us money and maybe more/better players but also brings more pressure and fatigue, given how poor we actually are right now getting into Europe puts us ahead of where we can actually compete and could do more harm than good, that said of course I want to win it, and there will definitely be significant gains from it, but it is a double edged sword
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You might be correct but ultimately, finance leads everything else.

Again, we are banning staff parties and reducing what they serve in the staff canteen to save money.

At least 5 home games less next season means a drop in ticket revenue of around 15/16 million. That's ignoring the extra prize money/TV money etc and the small chance of qualifying for the Champions League which would (I'm guessing) more than double the TV/Prize money pot.
 
We got a tricky tie. Real Sociedad are in decent form lately. They have awful fixtures coming up which will help us. Madrid, Barcelona the us. They should be fatigued by the time we play them.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
The way we are playing it would be a small miracle to advance another stage in this competition. To win it, we need to up our game to levels unseen this season. I just don't see it happening, it would be great of course, Amorim will earn some credibility, players will get momentum, belief, we will get some money and play CL next season. It's just an impossible dream unfortunately.
To think a couple of years ago we won it with Mourinho and I wasn't that impressed, how time have changed...
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it’s not about raising our performance to ‘levels unseen’. We’ve had some good performances under Amorim against City Liverpool and Arsenal and if we played like that consistently we’d be in a much better position.

Theres no team left in the Europa League that we can’t beat. But there’s no team left that can’t turn us over either. It depends on what United team turns up.
 
I’m a bit worried about the suggestion on twitter recently that Ineos would find it easier if we don’t qualify for the CL this year because it’ll raise all the wages again if we do, and make it harder to sell our underperforming high-earners.

Seems like “no way would a top club think that way” but United surprise me time after time for the wrong reasons in recent years
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I’m a bit worried about the suggestion on twitter recently that Ineos would find it easier if we don’t qualify for the CL this year because it’ll raise all the wages again if we do, and make it harder to sell our underperforming high-earners.

Seems like “no way would a top club think that way” but United surprise me time after time for the wrong reasons in recent years
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Yeah INEOS are turning us into a bigger laughing stock than the leeches, no wonder we can't attract quality players right now.

Getting it back on topic I completely agree with people who say European Football next season could be a double edged sword.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I’m a bit worried about the suggestion on twitter recently that Ineos would find it easier if we don’t qualify for the CL this year because it’ll raise all the wages again if we do, and make it harder to sell our underperforming high-earners.

Seems like “no way would a top club think that way” but United surprise me time after time for the wrong reasons in recent years
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This doesn't really make sense - the players get bonuses for CL qualification but their base level wages won't change. Ineos would certainly rather the CL revenue, which will dwarf any add ons we have in contracts, anyway. The player will be just as easy/hard to sell, though it allows us to negotiate from a better position if the stories of us being strapped for cash die off with CL money coming in.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
This doesn't really make sense - the players get bonuses for CL qualification but their base level wages won't change. Ineos would certainly rather the CL revenue, which will dwarf any add ons we have in contracts, anyway. The player will be just as easy/hard to sell, though it allows us to negotiate from a better position if the stories of us being strapped for cash die off with CL money coming in.
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Apparently the wages all dropped 25% when we failed to qualify for the Champions League and will raise 25% when we re-qualify

Way I understand it, in a season we are a CL team Rashford's wages (for example) would be £325k pw. In a season we are not in the CL then they are just over £243k pw.

I think. Someone may correct me.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Apparently the wages all dropped 25% when we failed to qualify for the Champions League and will raise 25% when we re-qualify

Way I understand it, in a season we are a CL team Rashford's wages (for example) would be £325k pw. In a season we are not in the CL then they are just over £243k pw.

I think. Someone may correct me.
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Yes but isn't this just due to the clauses. As in any player with a clause, gets the bonus, but the actual weekly wage is different. For example, Atony was on £75k base, but if he hit all his targets he would have been on £150k (obviously he/we did not). There are usually many clauses, like goal targets, appearances etc. as well.
 
The added money, a trophy to top off a complete disaster of a season just short of a relegation battle.

Yeah I think the club badly needs to win the EL. Take into account the club will need to get in players to replace those that are gone, they need every penny accounted for which would include the EL money and then the CL. Realistically, the club need at least 6 signings. The quality we need will be from players that are wanting CL football. Without it and they will expect wages we should not be paying.
 
GBBQ said:
it’s not about raising our performance to ‘levels unseen’. We’ve had some good performances under Amorim against City Liverpool and Arsenal and if we played like that consistently we’d be in a much better position.

Theres no team left in the Europa League that we can’t beat. But there’s no team left that can’t turn us over either. It depends on what United team turns up.
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Well i wouldn't say city Liverpool and arsenal were good performances, just very good results. They were definitely better than what we are seeing now but them three games should not be our benchmark.

However I'd be more than happy for now until season end, playing simple basic football, defending properly and attacking at speed in the counter. I dont expect anything good right now. Heck, even if our players broke a sweat, it would be good. Motd analysis, no matter what you think of the pundits, highlighted the jogging and lack of effort.
 
I’m sorry, but I can’t understand any sentiment of not wanting CL football? It’s like saying we can’t win the PL so we should have a go at the Championship. Short squad or not, as a club, we need to be competing in the biggest competitions, even if unlikely winners.

The revenue earned in the CL (including increased sponsorship), massively eclipses any salary uplift / bonuses, people get paid to work that out in advance.
 
DeludedOptimism said:
I’m sorry, but I can’t understand any sentiment of not wanting CL football? It’s like saying we can’t win the PL so we should have a go at the Championship. Short squad or not, as a club, we need to be competing in the biggest competitions, even if unlikely winners.

The revenue earned in the CL (including increased sponsorship), massively eclipses any salary uplift / bonuses, people get paid to work that out in advance.
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It can't be true. CL football can bring upwards of 100m in revenue. To say we want to be out deliberately just to keep some wages down is nonsense. As if another year of Europa or no European football will help us get rid of Mount or Shaw. Any increase in wages due to CL football will easily be taken care of by the increase in revenue. Also, CL football brings in more sponsorship money too.
 
MrBest said:
Well i wouldn't say city Liverpool and arsenal were good performances, just very good results. They were definitely better than what we are seeing now but them three games should not be our benchmark.

However I'd be more than happy for now until season end, playing simple basic football, defending properly and attacking at speed in the counter. I dont expect anything good right now. Heck, even if our players broke a sweat, it would be good. Motd analysis, no matter what you think of the pundits, highlighted the jogging and lack of effort.
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Your second paragraph contradicts your first, the results of those 3 games happened basically by doing what you say you're happy with
 
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