Best midfielder in the world for years to me is a ridiculous claim. It is very difficult to compare defensive and attacking midfielders anyway, but what makes him better for the past few years than Casemiro, Modric, and even Busquets if you go back a few more years.
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If Pep just allowed him to play 60% chance passes to Haaland he’d end up with cnut loads of assists.
He’d have been lauded as one of the best ever in the 90’s or 00’s, when possession/ball retention wasn’t god.
He’d have been lauded as one of the best ever in the 90’s or 00’s, when possession/ball retention wasn’t god.
He very likely has more goal contributions than all 3 combined.
Busquets has never been close to being the best midfielder in the world.
Which is weird because they're all very attacking midfielders.
No one said that but stats nerds love to base it on that. For what its worth in my opinion Modric is the best mf of the last 20 years (not 10), Xavi on his tail and probably Iniesta too but Modric wins on longevity.
Which is meaningless, so has Bruno Fernandes likely.
You're having a laugh.
He is also among the best attacking midfielders in the world to be fair.
But clearly not better than Modric or Casemiro.
Is your opinion influenced by CL trophies?
I thought it was us Americans who cared about that stuff. The "rings Erneh" argument if you will.
He's one of the best in his position ever, so not sure how you came to this conclusion.
Not to bring that argument here but Xavi shades both Modric and Iniesta.
Wouldn't say KDB can be compared to any of these but being one of the best midfielders in the PL (if not the best) over the last 10 years has to count for something.
I don't like to make the distinction between attacking and defensive midfielders. For me the perfect midfielder should be both. The midfielder should be the goal scorer, the creator, the tackler, the runner etc. The complete football player. When one midfielder is seen as a great attacking player or a defensive midielder but not the opposite then to me it is a weakness. I don't think midfielders will get any better than the likes of Modric and Xavi.
In this sense Casemiro has surprised me completely. He is all of this. Fantastic player
In this sense Casemiro has surprised me completely. He is all of this. Fantastic player
So was Mascherano and Kante but you never see them listed alongside the Modrics and Xavis.
Because Busquests is easily, easily, better than both of those.
A system player - falls short of the very very best.
Better than Keane?
Better than Mascherano and Kante.
But below Keane. Around the same as Carrick.
He’s good, very good but he’s not in the same bracket at the elite midfielders of his or previous generations. The best midfielders of the premier league era are the likes of Keane, Scholes, Viera, Lampard, Gerrard. KDB is a level or 2 below them. The best midfielders in the world during KDB’s era are Modric, Casemiro, Xavi, Iniestia, Pirlo. Again he’s a level or two below that.
Different to Keane, much better than Carrick.
Just want to know where you place him amongst the midfielders of all time, since opinions vary greatly.
Because Busquets is better than both of them?
How about Makalele and Vieiera?
I'm convinced some of you are wumming
Got to apply City player on a United forum tax and then it makes more sense.
He's been poor for a while, including at the World Cup and since.
Fair question and I find it hard to answer! I thought for example in games like the UCL final v us in 2011 he was incredible, and I'd go as far as saying the most important player on the pitch in that game.
But to be fair I didn't watch him as much as Keane, Scholes, etc. Personally think he was the best of the 'deep lying playmakers' of his generation ie Carrick, Alonso, Pirlo, etc.
I would say mid table championship side, never proved himself in CL or World Cup so clearly he’s not worth much. Should be sold for 4-5 million?
Busquets was a different type of player to Vieira so it's not really fair to compare. Makalele at his height would fit the bill and as good as he was, as Madrid found out when he left Busquets is still a half tier above him. He's a tier above Kante and Casemiro and a couple of tiers above players like Xavi Alonso, Mascherano and Carrick.
As CDM the last 20 years he's in a league of his own.
Name a year he was
Nah very overrated player, look at all the times Barcelona have been overrun in the Champions League with him as the main midfielder, conceding 4 and 5 in a game. Wouldn’t get teams with Casemiro and Kante doing that to. Spain have won nothing either with just him without Xavi and Iniesta. Well below that level of midfielder.
Casemiro is a better player than Makelele was.
Haven't watched this but the title makes him sound like a massive creep.
Best in the league and it's not even that close
So does the Mbappe in the best in the world thread, I would have this guy any day.That ‘Bruno Fernandes is just as good’ thread still cracks me up