How do we solve our midfield problem?

Midfielders should be able to dictate a game of football. These two and our other options don’t do that.

This club has failed to properly invest in multiple positions for over a decade now. They’ve chosen to invest in ageing past their best money makers or blown cash towards players that aren’t good enough/don’t even get a chance.

That’s why we are where we are. A sorry state of affairs typified today by a complete implosion and lack of on field, touch line and behind the scenes management.
 
They are of course poor. Fred's in a real slump and Matic isn't particularly good for 90 minutes (he's fine usually for 60 minutes).

The thing is that McT hasn't been leagues above them this season either. We desperately need a whole new midfield, whether or not that includes VdB (I suspect it won't).
 
We didn't need sancho or ronaldo this season, Greenwood was fine on the right wing and couldn use diallo as the back up, you know that guy we spent 40 million on!

We dearly needed a right back and defensive midfielder.
I said this all summer while everyone was getting giddy over signing a striker and a winger. What on earth do we pay scouts and analysts for?
 
I'm absolutely fed up with how shite our midfielders are. The worse thing is, we've done feck all to remedy this problem.
 
I'd say its a disgusting indictment of the way this club has been mismanaged that these two get regular game-time in CM for United. The club of Charlton, Robson, Keane, Scholes etc...

Matic WAS a good player, I'll give him that respect at least. Fred is just nothing, absolutely nothing. Terrible on the ball, terrible awareness, lightweight, not just a bad AM or CM actually a really bad defensive midfielders too, just so poor its untrue
 
Matic is ok, fred on the other hand is just too frantic and inconsistent in possession. I would love to see matic in midfield with donny and lingard providing the energy/legs around him and both are far more comfortable and better in possession whilst under pressure than either fred or mctominay.
 
Whatever we do, we must bring in ball players. We have too many workhorses and not enough players who can actually pass a ball.
 
Ole should be charged in the court for not signing a CM this summer. Absolutely disgraceful.
 
Worked well enough in the first half but nothing beyond that in my opinion. Our options in central midfielder is criminally limited with Fred, McTominay and Matic. Solskjaer was a fool if he thought Fred and McTominay were good enough to start every game. We desperately need to get a central midfielder in this month in my opinion.
 
Its january.

I don't know. Maybe BUY someone??!

For fecks sake.

Sell Matić. Sell Mata.
Sell VDB.
Sell Fred. Sell Pogba.
Sell Lingard.

Buy a midfield pair. Any pair. Burnley has a better midfield then us.

Fecking brainless club.
 
Mcfred and Matic just aren’t good enough, it’s so painfully obvious but we just have to watch the same dross again and again. Villa’s players aren’t world beaters but noticeable over both games just how much better they are on the ball.
 
we needed more depth in the summer. We’re left with these two primarily because we have feck all else to choose
 
The problem with this combo more than anything is that Matic can't maintain the energy to have a good 90 minutes, so once he runs out of steam, our ability to keep a tight midfield completely collapses, leaving us with Fred having to come into our half. Fred is horrendous in open spaces against the run or pass. He's not really a good ball winner and is poor on the ball. This leaves us completely scrambling after 50 minutes of a game, relying on Bruno's long balls or moments of counter attacking brilliance from our front line. The key to all our problems come from our midfield, both with Ole and without Ole. It has nothing to do with management, its the personnel in midfield. It has nothing to do with shape either. When Pogba isn't in midfield, we can't and haven't been able to retain possession in the last 3 years. Not because he is phenomenal, but because he's the only midfielder we have with any offensive impetus on the ball. Defensively, what we have are runners, not ball winners, not defensive midfielders, just an old Matic that can only last for 45 minutes and a bunch of non tackling, non passing, no physical presence or first touch having runners. Then we as fans have the audacity to expect our forward players and backline to perform. There's a reason the midfield is called the engine room of a team, because that's where games are controlled and we have spent almost ten years either waiting for teams to drop deep because they are scared of being attacked or having to fight out games. From the Fellaini's, Herrera's and Schneiderlin's to the Fred's and Mctominay's of this world, we have always been in situations where our midfield is weak ( especially when you take into account that Pogba has been injured for the majority of his run here). In the summer, keep Bruno and completely refresh the midfield, its just not good enough.
 
Its january.

I don't know. Maybe BUY someone??!

For fecks sake.

Sell Matić. Sell Mata.
Sell VDB.
Sell Fred. Sell Pogba.
Sell Lingard.

Buy a midfield pair. Any pair. Burnley has a better midfield then us.

Fecking brainless club.
Incompetency showing at every level.
 
You'd think with a midfield that single handedly loses us games as often as these lot that we'd actually go out and recruit someone to play there... silly me.
 
If we don't sign at least one midfielder, preferably two, this transfer window what can you say?

The ambition of this club can be no more than a top half finish unless we improve on the options we have.
 
Is there a worse combo in the Premier League?
One is about 5yrs past his best and the other has the worst technique I have seen in a Utd jersey
We will not finish in the top 8 in the league if we go with this pairing
It’s not the previous manager, it’s not his coaches, its not our local lad done good, it’s not our star signing and it’s not the GOAT.
Wait! New scapegoat identified! It’s all good lads, whinge on!
 
So are we going to sign new midfielders or not? Our current bunch is totally hopeless.
 
If we play any two from McFred and matic we're goosed and get totally dominated but we keep doing it and we keep getting dominated. God help us when we play the top six
 
Matic was shattered and 2nd to everything 2nd half.
. Fred was playing up front he looked shattered from about 15mins in.

Villa bossed us all over the pitch 2nd half
 
Before people start 'going in' cause we drew, we were fecking 2-0 up, the draw isn't down to them solely.
It is. The draw showed everything wrong with us and its stems from the middle. Matic got tired and a yellow card. The minute that happened we lost control of the game, because Fred is just there to run. He's not a good tackler, so Aston Villa were constantly able to drive and play around our midfield.

The clearest sign from the last few weeks is the midfield is poor and short. Everyone knows this, but points to the games where we lack control but McT and Fred show some energy to justify their existence, when they only reason they exert so much is due to them not having the positioning, tackling ability, passing ability or first touch to control games on the ball. Instead of focusing on this, we have instead targeted our best players, the Bruno's, Ronaldo's, Pogba's of this world. Players who for the most part don't see the ball as often as they should due to the lack of support from behind.

Salah and Mane lose possession often, but they know they have a midfield and defence that can win the ball back again, so they can take risks. That's how most teams operate outside of modern Man City and Pep's Barcelona. Yet we blame Ronaldo for pressing ( something i'd never previously heard about of strikers, aguero was still scoring in City's 2018 team), we blame Greenwood for shooting shots his counterparts and City and Liverpool shoot. We blame the Maguire's and Varane's of this world for having to constantly face threats. We blame AWB for not attacking the space or Shaw for not having a perfect attacking and defensive performance. Last year we blamed DDG. However when it comes down to it, the only reason we are ever in those positions of having to defend constantly or having limited support in attacks is due to a midfield that can't link play or defend.

It lost Jose his job in 18/19 when Fred came along and Matic aged. It left us with our horrible start in 19/20 where we couldn't create anything outside of penalties. It's the reason we lost so many home games under Ole and had to fight from behind in the away games. Yet because the lack of quality there is so obvious and not headline grabbing, people pretend its not as bad as it is. It's the worst midfield in the top half without Pogba.
 
Since we don't have quality in the middle of the park the only way to offset it is to crowd it out.

We should play 5 in the middle. I propose the following:
-------------------------------ddg---------------------------
------dalot-----lindelof-----varane-----telles----
--mason---bruno---fred---donny---elanga--
--------------------ronaldo/cavani-------------------

If fred is shits the bed like today then use mct, or matic (he's only got the legs for 45 mins though).
 
Sell dross like Maguire and Bissaka and get Haidara and Zakaria in asap. Should have been done on the first day of the window.
 
Thing is we had control in the first half, lost it totally in the second half, and Ralf didn't do anything about it because... Reasons?
 
Amen

Who would have known the midfield is the most important part of the team
 
I cannot remember the last midfield battle we won? Even against Burnley the midfield battle was evenly contested for me. Our midfield is bottom half standard.
 
We’ll never have control of the park if we effectively play 1 player there. Fred and Bruno are too far forward so we’re never going to dominate the middle while we push so high and leave the other player so isolated, whether that’s Matic or prime Xavi/Pirlo/Scholes.
 
Really showed today how weak the midfield is that McT wasn't even an option to come on for 30 minutes. Anyone and everyone in any sort of footballing capacity at the club should be telling the Glazers that they need to find 30-40m for a midfielder in January.
 
Thing is we had control in the first half, lost it totally in the second half, and Ralf didn't do anything about it because... Reasons?
He obviously thinks that Matic and Fred are the only ones in today’s match day squad that can bring that control.

They were compact and did a decent job in a decent 1st half. It was obvious players needed to come on to change things up, but given his comments this week about midfield it’s obvious he has no trust in the midfield rotation.
 
He obviously thinks that Matic and Fred are the only ones in today’s match day squad that can bring that control.

They were compact and did a decent job in a decent 1st half. It was obvious players needed to come on to change things up, but given his comments this week about midfield it’s obvious he has no trust in the midfield rotation.

Then that's on him really. He's got to at least try things... Doing nothing is just poor management